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Elroy Blue said:
You don't need to get physical with people like this. Just knowing what you're talking about is enough. Knowledge is power and all that stuff. Once people realise they're on a losing wicket, the change in their attitude can be pretty spectacular.
errr... he appeared to have the knowledge, and the police were in fact on the losing wicket.More power to him, IMO
La Liga said:
If he really wanted a lesson in the Road Traffic Act, they should have introduced him to S.67 and got an Authorised Vehicle Examiner to go through the vehicle and reported him to court for any defects found.
The driver would request that it's deferred under subsection 6 
If there wasn't an accident and the vehicle isn't "apparently so defective that it ought not to be allowed to proceed without a test" (seems quite strong wording) that is a right.La Liga said:
There were no other offences I could see. It's not an offence to simply be a dick.
I wouldn't accept viewing a driving licence through a window for inspection.
If he really wanted a lesson in the Road Traffic Act, they should have introduced him to S.67 and got an Authorised Vehicle Examiner to go through the vehicle and reported him to court for any defects found.
Driving in the manner who apparently did and his irate behaviour, is it reasonable to suspect that's the result of drugs? S.23 search of him and the vehicle would probably be easy to justify.
Moving traffic offence? Why not require a specimen of breath for analysis?
They could have done all these things if they wanted to lower themselves to his level, but chose not to play the "my Dad's bigger game".
That would surely be an abuse of power simply because he wasn't complying with an unlawful order (eg to get out the car). Doesn't seem very smart to me.I wouldn't accept viewing a driving licence through a window for inspection.
If he really wanted a lesson in the Road Traffic Act, they should have introduced him to S.67 and got an Authorised Vehicle Examiner to go through the vehicle and reported him to court for any defects found.
Driving in the manner who apparently did and his irate behaviour, is it reasonable to suspect that's the result of drugs? S.23 search of him and the vehicle would probably be easy to justify.
Moving traffic offence? Why not require a specimen of breath for analysis?
They could have done all these things if they wanted to lower themselves to his level, but chose not to play the "my Dad's bigger game".
even a cursory internet search provides the following
CHAPTER 1
Guidance on Standards of Professional Behaviour
Authority, Respect and Courtesy
1.19 Police officers do not abuse their powers or authority and respect the rights of all individuals.
Orders and Instructions
1.38 Police officers only give and carry out lawful orders and instructions.
They would be lawful requests and not an abuse of power (the stop and search would need reasonable suspicion based on objective facts, of course).
Someone not wanting to come out the car after committing a moving traffic offence. Why? Have they been drinking. Perfectly legitimate request.
Someone not wanting to come out the car after committing a moving traffic offence. Why? Have they been drinking. Perfectly legitimate request.
he did provide details. He was also clearly know to the coppers so then its a bit of a piss-take to go through all that if they know who he is. He was denying the handbrake turn - for all we know he gets stopped twice a week for spurious reasons.
Question: if he has given his details and is not being detained or arrested, is he required to get out the car? I wonder if even on the internetz any police will answer that.
Question: if he has given his details and is not being detained or arrested, is he required to get out the car? I wonder if even on the internetz any police will answer that.
CoolHands said:
Question: if he has given his details and is not being detained or arrested, is he required to get out the car? I wonder if even on the internetz any police will answer that.
Why do you wonder that? It's not some secret. The answer is no. There has to be a power / lawful request. It's no different from you being pulled on the motorway and being asked to go the police car. That's why I don't think they were particularly good with this stop. You can't do things that most would consent to with someone who wants to behave in such a manner. They should have been very clear as to their purpose rather than the ambiguity they let themselves get into.
Polite request to get out of car. Truncheon, Sideglass, pulled from car, a whack or to to the lower back, words of advice, camera goes missing, drugs/weapon discovered in car, charged, magistrates, Serco van, Straneways.
It's probably a good idea that I never become a copper. Hats off to those who have to deal with blokes like this and don't do the above.
Yes. If you had, you might have cost whichever constabulary employed you quite a lot of money.
Overreacting isn't particularly smart no matter how much of a bellend the driver is.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095341/Pe...
Overreacting isn't particularly smart no matter how much of a bellend the driver is.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095341/Pe...
wildcat45 said:
Polite request to get out of car. Truncheon, Sideglass, pulled from car, a whack or to to the lower back, words of advice, camera goes missing, drugs/weapon discovered in car, charged, magistrates, Serco van, Straneways.
It's probably a good idea that I never become a copper. Hats off to those who have to deal with blokes like this and don't do the above.
Fairly difficult to do if the video is being streamed live to youtube. Which is what I'd be doing if I was to act like the bloke in the videoIt's probably a good idea that I never become a copper. Hats off to those who have to deal with blokes like this and don't do the above.
Seen another vid like this think the guy spends his life or alot of free time getting into these situations so he can play the smart arse routine.
Needs to get a life really, one thing when police over step the mark its quite another to look for a confrontation with them and then play I know better than you.
Needs to get a life really, one thing when police over step the mark its quite another to look for a confrontation with them and then play I know better than you.
Motorrad said:
Fairly difficult to do if the video is being streamed live to youtube. Which is what I'd be doing if I was to act like the bloke in the video
I have unlimited 4G data and any picture or video is immediately streamed to the cloud.The power the police weild and the responses on here about videos going missing and ability to magic up offences further reinforces the need to record every interaction with the police.
Asking a person to exit their car to have a word about a handbrake turn is not a lawful order. There is no obligation to exit your car. A lawful order would be to ask a person to exit a car for a breath test.
Not everything the police ask you to do is a lawful order otherwise a policeman could ask a lady to take off her clothes during a traffic stop.
This chap didnt even have to stop for this policeman as he wasnt in uniform plus in an unmarked car.
Was there really a need for 8 officers to turn up? And we are told of staff shortage all the time.
Lost soul said:
Why would it happen frequently
Perhaps the police like to stereotype people or just go on power trips.When i had my standard pug 106, never got pulled by the police.
When i had my modified Corsa B i got pulled over countless times and often accused of doing things i hadn't done.
I was doing 40mph in a 40mph limit with the police behind me. As soon as it came up to one of the signs that flash to show your speed, the police dropped right back then floored it behind me quickly so the sign flashed, pulled me over and then said i was speeding.
They said they had to do a drug and weapons search on me and my brother for acting suspiciously. I was outside the front of my house washing the car with my brother and a bucket of soapy water.
I was accused of wheelspinning out a junction and struggling to control the vehicle one day. The funny thing was the tyres were too grippy and the engine / clutch too weak to do a wheelspin even if i wanted to.
Funny enough when i installed a dashcam and pointed to it when they pulled me, their attitude changed dramatically
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