It's coming - EU cross-border exchange of information
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Yep that was me. After a horrible journey to get the Eurotunnel, then getting stuck behind a car that broke down on the train, I was alert but obviously not alert enough. I was doing 110kph in the reduced speed area where it drops to 90kph but I didn't notice the signs for whatever excuse I could insert.
So there I was, 2:40 am doing 110kph through the 90kph zone. To be the first to be stung is somewhat of an honor, I just wonder how much the sting will hurt.
So there I was, 2:40 am doing 110kph through the 90kph zone. To be the first to be stung is somewhat of an honor, I just wonder how much the sting will hurt.
EU_Foreigner said:
Noticed on one of the trips that a UK car changed his plates when arriving in France. Curious if the French Gendarme even check plates if you get stopped or is this a new measure to avoid getting anything in the post if/when the exchange starts taking place.
That's a very bad idea indeed - unless you plan on carrying forged papers for insurance and title too. And if you end up crashing you would have to quickly replace the plates before the foreign fuzz arrives or face a bit of difficulty explaining why your insurance docs are forged.Papers do get checked, remember the gendarmes love to fine Brits for such heinous motoring errors as lack of breathalysers, high viz left in boot, insufficient quantity of garlic in the bouillebase etc. So brits get stopped often enough that a plate swap is a very bad idea.
agtlaw said:
Helluvaname said:
agtlaw said:
D gets a summons.
Thanks, but at what point does that happen, and is that then from the County Court?Seems a bit strange for a Mags court to be able to do that??
Sorry, I'm just trying to understand how/when the accused will get involved by the Magistrates Court.
Are you saying that once the Mags court receives the notification from the "responsible officer" that they will then issue a summons for the accused to attend the Mags Court, where a charge will be made (and they have the chance to attend)? (or as I suggested earlier, will they just assume guilt?!).
If so, who represents the prosecution at that hearing?
Surely someone will have to represent the prosecution.
Assuming there has to be a prosecution representative, who pays for that representation: as the notification has come from a UK "responsible officer" is it the UK government (ie taxpayer), or is the overseas authority somehow involved?
Are you saying that once the Mags court receives the notification from the "responsible officer" that they will then issue a summons for the accused to attend the Mags Court, where a charge will be made (and they have the chance to attend)? (or as I suggested earlier, will they just assume guilt?!).
If so, who represents the prosecution at that hearing?
Surely someone will have to represent the prosecution.
Assuming there has to be a prosecution representative, who pays for that representation: as the notification has come from a UK "responsible officer" is it the UK government (ie taxpayer), or is the overseas authority somehow involved?
donkmeister said:
EU_Foreigner said:
Noticed on one of the trips that a UK car changed his plates when arriving in France. Curious if the French Gendarme even check plates if you get stopped or is this a new measure to avoid getting anything in the post if/when the exchange starts taking place.
That's a very bad idea indeed - unless you plan on carrying forged papers for insurance and title too. And if you end up crashing you would have to quickly replace the plates before the foreign fuzz arrives or face a bit of difficulty explaining why your insurance docs are forged.Papers do get checked, remember the gendarmes love to fine Brits for such heinous motoring errors as lack of breathalysers, high viz left in boot, insufficient quantity of garlic in the bouillebase etc. So brits get stopped often enough that a plate swap is a very bad idea.
You won't be fined for not having breathalysers. There is no legal penalty. Very French idea that one.
Is the definition of "owner" clear in these EU cases? The reason is that I have recently had a huge number of parking tickets cancelled because according to Railway Byelaw 14, the "Owner" is liable for them.
Although we are the registered keeper, a number of the vehicles are financed, and we do not have title of ownership to them. After proving this point in the meeting, the solicitors of the railway company advised their client that it would be futile to attempt to bring any prosecution against the RK.
So if we start getting fines through from France, Belgium etc, where the owner is liable - what is the process for appeal? Come to think of it, what is the process for enforcement?
We are also having circular discussions with E-Flow in Dublin who administer the M50 Toll - again they claim the owner is liable, but they have also accepted that as we are in the UK, they are unable to start any legal proceedings as we are out of their jurisdiction. Is this likely to be the same with the new EU policy?
Although we are the registered keeper, a number of the vehicles are financed, and we do not have title of ownership to them. After proving this point in the meeting, the solicitors of the railway company advised their client that it would be futile to attempt to bring any prosecution against the RK.
So if we start getting fines through from France, Belgium etc, where the owner is liable - what is the process for appeal? Come to think of it, what is the process for enforcement?
We are also having circular discussions with E-Flow in Dublin who administer the M50 Toll - again they claim the owner is liable, but they have also accepted that as we are in the UK, they are unable to start any legal proceedings as we are out of their jurisdiction. Is this likely to be the same with the new EU policy?
PH XKR said:
Yep that was me. After a horrible journey to get the Eurotunnel, then getting stuck behind a car that broke down on the train, I was alert but obviously not alert enough. I was doing 110kph in the reduced speed area where it drops to 90kph but I didn't notice the signs for whatever excuse I could insert.
So there I was, 2:40 am doing 110kph through the 90kph zone. To be the first to be stung is somewhat of an honor, I just wonder how much the sting will hurt.
Did you get the fine in the UK in the end?So there I was, 2:40 am doing 110kph through the 90kph zone. To be the first to be stung is somewhat of an honor, I just wonder how much the sting will hurt.
donkmeister said:
remember the gendarmes love to fine Brits for such heinous motoring errors as lack of breathalysers, high viz left in boot, insufficient quantity of garlic in the bouillebase etc. So brits get stopped often enough that a plate swap is a very bad idea.
Brits don't get stop any more often than the French or any cars of other nationality. Why would they ?The French really are nowhere near as obsessed with the Brits as we are about them.
sasha320 said:
Anyone got a ticket for speeding on the Continent yet?
I'll let you know - a few of us on bikes went to Biarritz last week and I saw a lot of flashes of my mates from front facing cameras (obviously they're no issue for bikers, however I assume they set off as many rear facing) - didn't knowingly set any off myself but there were so many of them it was unbelievable. Saw some really really sneaky ones - there are new tall, thin black ones and I saw them hidden behind bridge pillars and so on.Hopefully I will be ok as I was being much more careful (to the extent of getting separated from the group on the Bordeaux ring road as I was sticking to 90)
Also got the police called as we exited a multi-storey car park by riding round the barrier. Dunno if they'll be bother about that.
EU_Foreigner said:
Got flashed all over the place in France last week. They set their cameras rather low, the last one was flashing at 54 km/h on my (digital) counter in a 50 zone. So that is 52/53 at worst.
Will be interesting to see if a flurry of envelopes will arrive in due course.
Im mystified as to how the French manage to keep their licences - they have the same 12 points to play with as we do (although they get them taken off). Will be interesting to see if a flurry of envelopes will arrive in due course.
There are an awful lot more police (i.e. They have some), random checks and it seems to me a lot more cameras in obscure rural locations and with hair trigger thresholds.
I don't think I'd last a month before I got banned under totting up.
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