Racially abused - advice please.
Discussion
Mk3Spitfire said:
ETA - if your argument is that the hostility was not based on the OP's OH's colour, I would argue that if this was the case, they wouldn't have bothered with the word "black" at all. Do you think when he refers to a Caucasian as a "c**t", he suffixes it with you "white"?
Double d'oh.a) I think you meant to write prefix not suffix.
b) The "white" in this case is neither of the above: it's a descriptor.
http://www.english-for-students.com/Prefixes.html
http://www.english-for-students.com/Suffixes.html
http://www.learnrv.com/data/Word_Descriptor_List.p...
GCSE English fail.
PH - pedantry matters. (Especially when putting together a statement which is to be introduced in evidence).
(quite important when composing a statement
Steve H said:
andy118run said:
I don't think the other mother was particularly the problem at any point, but the father just sounds like he was a nasty piece of work (apparently my partner first noticed him when he entered the food place about 10 minutes before the incident as he was loudly and repeatedly effing and blinding at his young son).
My feeling was the same as Mk3Spitfire, as soon as he preceded his abuse/threats with the word "black" it becomes racially motivated.
Sounds to me like it was not racially motivated at all, the bloke is a nasty bMy feeling was the same as Mk3Spitfire, as soon as he preceded his abuse/threats with the word "black" it becomes racially motivated.
d to his own kid so probably is to everyone, he happened to choose colour as part of his malice to your Mrs because he has very little imagination or vocabulary.Still unacceptable behaviour though and because he applied a comment about her race the police will be much more interested than if he had done it to my OH so if you want to report it you may well get some result.
OP, I hope the police deal with this as severely as possible, if not for your thick skinned partners sake, but for your child's at least. God help the person who ever racially abuses one of my kids!
Don't take a blind bit of notice of people on here saying it's not racially motivated. It is, and the law states it is. I s suffered plenty in my time, and I take every case seriously, and act accordingly in each instance. My uncles stab wounds and fathers missing tooth (GRHS) tell me I'm right to do so
Don't take a blind bit of notice of people on here saying it's not racially motivated. It is, and the law states it is. I s suffered plenty in my time, and I take every case seriously, and act accordingly in each instance. My uncles stab wounds and fathers missing tooth (GRHS) tell me I'm right to do so
DeanR32 said:
OP, I hope the police deal with this as severely as possible, if not for your thick skinned partners sake, but for your child's at least. God help the person who ever racially abuses one of my kids!
Don't take a blind bit of notice of people on here saying it's not racially motivated. It is, and the law states it is. I s suffered plenty in my time, and I take every case seriously, and act accordingly in each instance. My uncles stab wounds and fathers missing tooth (GRHS) tell me I'm right to do so
To be fair (not that I'm that inclined to treat him fairly!)there was no abuse directly toward our son - more a case of him being in vicinity and probably hearing it.Don't take a blind bit of notice of people on here saying it's not racially motivated. It is, and the law states it is. I s suffered plenty in my time, and I take every case seriously, and act accordingly in each instance. My uncles stab wounds and fathers missing tooth (GRHS) tell me I'm right to do so
Anyway, the police have been and spoken to the other half this pm, it's being investigated as racially aggravated section 5 (a public order offence I believe?).
Investigation and guilt in court are not the same thing, hardly surprising that it's being investigated as a racially motivated attack when it has been reported as a racially motivated attack 
.
Either way the guy needs dealing with so if the racial angle means he gets more than just a caution that's fine with me.
.Either way the guy needs dealing with so if the racial angle means he gets more than just a caution that's fine with me.
Mk3Spitfire said:
Yes, it's a public order offence. Racially aggravated. I'm glad they're looking into it mate.
Steve H....the police seem to have got it wrong and are agreeing with what some of us said pages ago? Strange.
If something is reported to the Police as "racist" then presumably they'd be fools not to look in to it. Some posters on here are simply wondering if it was OTT to report what happened as racist is all, different opinions and all that ...Steve H....the police seem to have got it wrong and are agreeing with what some of us said pages ago? Strange.
TX.
Racism is a corrosive pernicious rash in our society, I think most of us agree.
Overt racism is actually easier to deal, eg name calling or being spat at in the street.
The more subtle forms are more deeply ingrained and more damaging.
A good example, which I have come across on several occasions, is when a BAME professional female makes a suggestion at a meeting and it is either ignored or ridiculed. Fast forward a few months and the same suggestion is made by a white man he is complimented on bringing such an innovative idea to the organisation.
That stuff is difficult to deal with, if it were to be suggested for one second that there were any racist undertones, the level of righteous indignation would generate enough heat to warm a siberian palace. And I think you can forget reporting it to the police!
Believe me, this happens, I've seen to too many times to offer an alternative explanation.
Overt racism is actually easier to deal, eg name calling or being spat at in the street.
The more subtle forms are more deeply ingrained and more damaging.
A good example, which I have come across on several occasions, is when a BAME professional female makes a suggestion at a meeting and it is either ignored or ridiculed. Fast forward a few months and the same suggestion is made by a white man he is complimented on bringing such an innovative idea to the organisation.
That stuff is difficult to deal with, if it were to be suggested for one second that there were any racist undertones, the level of righteous indignation would generate enough heat to warm a siberian palace. And I think you can forget reporting it to the police!
Believe me, this happens, I've seen to too many times to offer an alternative explanation.
andy118run said:
To be fair (not that I'm that inclined to treat him fairly!)there was no abuse directly toward our son - more a case of him being in vicinity and probably hearing it.
Anyway, the police have been and spoken to the other half this pm, it's being investigated as racially aggravated section 5 (a public order offence I believe?).
I understand he didn't aim it at your son, but I can't help but think if someone ever thinks I'm a black c**t, then chances are, they'd think the same of my kids, be it when they're older or not, or if they did anything wrong or not. Again, this is through experienceAnyway, the police have been and spoken to the other half this pm, it's being investigated as racially aggravated section 5 (a public order offence I believe?).
Steve H said:
Investigation and guilt in court are not the same thing, hardly surprising that it's being investigated as a racially motivated attack when it has been reported as a racially motivated attack .
Either way the guy needs dealing with so if the racial angle means he gets more than just a caution that's fine with me.
I often deal with reports of a "robbery". If I turn up, and the criteria for a robbery haven't been met...I dont deal with the situation as a robbery. So if the attending officers weren't happy that the offence was racially motivated, they do not HAVE to deal with it as such. For some reason you seemed adamant that this was not a racially motivated offence. It clearly was in the eyes on the virtual police (on here) and the attending ones. .Either way the guy needs dealing with so if the racial angle means he gets more than just a caution that's fine with me.
Anyway, I am tired of arguing with someone who refuses to see the other side of a story or understand where someone who deals with this kind of thing day in day out is coming from, so I will leave you pick out the parts you like.
ETA:
IanA2 said:
Racism is a corrosive pernicious rash in our society, I think most of us agree.
Overt racism is actually easier to deal, eg name calling or being spat at in the street.
The more subtle forms are more deeply ingrained and more damaging.
A good example, which I have come across on several occasions, is when a BAME professional female makes a suggestion at a meeting and it is either ignored or ridiculed. Fast forward a few months and the same suggestion is made by a white man he is complimented on bringing such an innovative idea to the organisation.
That stuff is difficult to deal with, if it were to be suggested for one second that there were any racist undertones, the level of righteous indignation would generate enough heat to warm a siberian palace. And I think you can forget reporting it to the police!
Believe me, this happens, I've seen to too many times to offer an alternative explanation.
What industry do you work in?Overt racism is actually easier to deal, eg name calling or being spat at in the street.
The more subtle forms are more deeply ingrained and more damaging.
A good example, which I have come across on several occasions, is when a BAME professional female makes a suggestion at a meeting and it is either ignored or ridiculed. Fast forward a few months and the same suggestion is made by a white man he is complimented on bringing such an innovative idea to the organisation.
That stuff is difficult to deal with, if it were to be suggested for one second that there were any racist undertones, the level of righteous indignation would generate enough heat to warm a siberian palace. And I think you can forget reporting it to the police!
Believe me, this happens, I've seen to too many times to offer an alternative explanation.
Because in the finance industry you have multiple company financed and backed ethnic centric working groups operating in many of the known financial institutions. The same also for women in the workplace and LGT employees.
Your scenario would never happen the way you describe it.
Terminator X said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
Yes, it's a public order offence. Racially aggravated. I'm glad they're looking into it mate.
Steve H....the police seem to have got it wrong and are agreeing with what some of us said pages ago? Strange.
If something is reported to the Police as "racist" then presumably they'd be fools not to look in to it. Some posters on here are simply wondering if it was OTT to report what happened as racist is all, different opinions and all that ...Steve H....the police seem to have got it wrong and are agreeing with what some of us said pages ago? Strange.
TX.
Hol said:
IanA2 said:
Racism is a corrosive pernicious rash in our society, I think most of us agree.
Overt racism is actually easier to deal, eg name calling or being spat at in the street.
The more subtle forms are more deeply ingrained and more damaging.
A good example, which I have come across on several occasions, is when a BAME professional female makes a suggestion at a meeting and it is either ignored or ridiculed. Fast forward a few months and the same suggestion is made by a white man he is complimented on bringing such an innovative idea to the organisation.
That stuff is difficult to deal with, if it were to be suggested for one second that there were any racist undertones, the level of righteous indignation would generate enough heat to warm a siberian palace. And I think you can forget reporting it to the police!
Believe me, this happens, I've seen to too many times to offer an alternative explanation.
What industry do you work in?Overt racism is actually easier to deal, eg name calling or being spat at in the street.
The more subtle forms are more deeply ingrained and more damaging.
A good example, which I have come across on several occasions, is when a BAME professional female makes a suggestion at a meeting and it is either ignored or ridiculed. Fast forward a few months and the same suggestion is made by a white man he is complimented on bringing such an innovative idea to the organisation.
That stuff is difficult to deal with, if it were to be suggested for one second that there were any racist undertones, the level of righteous indignation would generate enough heat to warm a siberian palace. And I think you can forget reporting it to the police!
Believe me, this happens, I've seen to too many times to offer an alternative explanation.
Because in the finance industry you have multiple company financed and backed ethnic centric working groups operating in many of the known financial institutions. The same also for women in the workplace and LGT employees.
Your scenario would never happen the way you describe it.
IanA2 said:
Hol said:
IanA2 said:
Racism is a corrosive pernicious rash in our society, I think most of us agree.
Overt racism is actually easier to deal, eg name calling or being spat at in the street.
The more subtle forms are more deeply ingrained and more damaging.
A good example, which I have come across on several occasions, is when a BAME professional female makes a suggestion at a meeting and it is either ignored or ridiculed. Fast forward a few months and the same suggestion is made by a white man he is complimented on bringing such an innovative idea to the organisation.
That stuff is difficult to deal with, if it were to be suggested for one second that there were any racist undertones, the level of righteous indignation would generate enough heat to warm a siberian palace. And I think you can forget reporting it to the police!
Believe me, this happens, I've seen to too many times to offer an alternative explanation.
What industry do you work in?Overt racism is actually easier to deal, eg name calling or being spat at in the street.
The more subtle forms are more deeply ingrained and more damaging.
A good example, which I have come across on several occasions, is when a BAME professional female makes a suggestion at a meeting and it is either ignored or ridiculed. Fast forward a few months and the same suggestion is made by a white man he is complimented on bringing such an innovative idea to the organisation.
That stuff is difficult to deal with, if it were to be suggested for one second that there were any racist undertones, the level of righteous indignation would generate enough heat to warm a siberian palace. And I think you can forget reporting it to the police!
Believe me, this happens, I've seen to too many times to offer an alternative explanation.
Because in the finance industry you have multiple company financed and backed ethnic centric working groups operating in many of the known financial institutions. The same also for women in the workplace and LGT employees.
Your scenario would never happen the way you describe it.
Of course you own experience of a 'normal' office behaviour and meetings could be 'different'.
Hol said:
IanA2 said:
Hol said:
IanA2 said:
Racism is a corrosive pernicious rash in our society, I think most of us agree.
Overt racism is actually easier to deal, eg name calling or being spat at in the street.
The more subtle forms are more deeply ingrained and more damaging.
A good example, which I have come across on several occasions, is when a BAME professional female makes a suggestion at a meeting and it is either ignored or ridiculed. Fast forward a few months and the same suggestion is made by a white man he is complimented on bringing such an innovative idea to the organisation.
That stuff is difficult to deal with, if it were to be suggested for one second that there were any racist undertones, the level of righteous indignation would generate enough heat to warm a siberian palace. And I think you can forget reporting it to the police!
Believe me, this happens, I've seen to too many times to offer an alternative explanation.
What industry do you work in?Overt racism is actually easier to deal, eg name calling or being spat at in the street.
The more subtle forms are more deeply ingrained and more damaging.
A good example, which I have come across on several occasions, is when a BAME professional female makes a suggestion at a meeting and it is either ignored or ridiculed. Fast forward a few months and the same suggestion is made by a white man he is complimented on bringing such an innovative idea to the organisation.
That stuff is difficult to deal with, if it were to be suggested for one second that there were any racist undertones, the level of righteous indignation would generate enough heat to warm a siberian palace. And I think you can forget reporting it to the police!
Believe me, this happens, I've seen to too many times to offer an alternative explanation.
Because in the finance industry you have multiple company financed and backed ethnic centric working groups operating in many of the known financial institutions. The same also for women in the workplace and LGT employees.
Your scenario would never happen the way you describe it.
Of course you own experience of a 'normal' office behaviour and meetings could be 'different'.
Glad to know the finance industry doesn't have a problem.
Hol said:
What industry do you work in?
Because in the finance industry you have multiple company financed and backed ethnic centric working groups operating in many of the known financial institutions. The same also for women in the workplace and LGT employees.
Your scenario would never happen the way you describe it.
Its also certainly not my experience of working in IT in various organisations - ethnicity and gender haven't appeared to be a blocker to good ideas being recognised. Saying that as a white male it's probably not something I'd be overly sensitive to.Because in the finance industry you have multiple company financed and backed ethnic centric working groups operating in many of the known financial institutions. The same also for women in the workplace and LGT employees.
Your scenario would never happen the way you describe it.
My immediate team of 8 down in London had:
3 white british males
2 indian males
1 black female
1 south african indian male
1 chinese-malay male
Race or gender was never an issue, why on earth would it be? What is did add was the ability to ask people first hand about their cultures and experiences. Listening to stories about growing up under Apartheid was far more interesting and real that a documentary.
Racism must be an educational and exposure issue - I actually hear far more racist comments now I've moved back up north to a very white town. Head down to a pub to watch a game and the number of times you'll hear the colour of an opposition player mentioned is frankly embarrassing.
You wouldn't hear that in general from a better educated crowd nor one where they spend every day in a mixed environment and have friends from all ethnicities.
In my view it's right that racial abuse is tackled with priority.
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