Have been accused of theft?

Have been accused of theft?

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R1 Indy

Original Poster:

4,382 posts

184 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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A little update,

Neither myself or my solicitor can get hold of the officer to arrange a time for an interview.......(both left several messages)
So now bit in the dark!

No more letters from the nutter yet..... I was advised to just ignore the last.
And if she contacted me, to tell her it's a police matter now.

But on the plus side been in contact with my local trading standards officer, who has been very helpful regarding the letter, and has agreed for a meeting to discuss the correct terms to put into my contracts to protect myself in future.


Eclassy

1,201 posts

123 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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This might sound a bit over the top but you may find it useful to keep a log of all the times and dates you have attempted to contact the officer(s).

When you eventually get a date and go in for the interview, hold a copy of the log and present it if the officer tries to arrest you for the usual "prompt and effective ivestigation of the offence"

This doesnt guarantee he wont arrest you but if he is smart he will know that your arrest will not pass the necessity test.




Bigends

5,426 posts

129 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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Fortnight old now- officer should be shifting themselves and at least keeping in touch with the OP. Hope they dont take the easy way out and just have the OP arrested by his home force.

MGZTV8

591 posts

150 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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Eclassy said:
This might sound a bit over the top but you may find it useful to keep a log of all the times and dates you have attempted to contact the officer(s).


When you eventually get a date and go in for the interview, hold a copy of the log and present it if the officer tries to arrest you for the usual "prompt and effective ivestigation of the offence"

This doesnt guarantee he wont arrest you but if he is smart he will know that your arrest will not pass the necessity test.
As usual, ignore this rubbish.

paintman

7,700 posts

191 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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La Liga said:
Eclassy manages to fall out with landlords, mechanics, the police and all the others he's mentioned on here. He seemingly has endless amounts of "friends" who've done similar and can provide lots of convenient, negative anecdotes when required.

It must be a society-wide conspiracy. It couldn't possibly be down to him.
And whilst continually running down & berating the police for their alleged shortcomings and general dishonesty is quite happy to advise people to lie to their insurers:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
"Not the most honest thing to do but I'd be advising her to claim she has absolutely no knowledge of any such incident."
With the amount of grinding going on his axe must be worn to a nub by now!rolleyes
I must admit that I do look forward to his posts to see what he comes out with nextlaugh

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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Bigends said:
Fortnight old now- officer should be shifting themselves
Unless they're carrying 30 plus crimes likes some of ours do and come on every shift to people waiting in the cells. A call to the OP is reasonable if he's been in touch.



Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 17th October 18:57

Greendubber

13,231 posts

204 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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I shall await the 'it's not legal advice it's my opinion' post from our resident legal advisor eclassy.

Bigends

5,426 posts

129 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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La Liga said:
Bigends said:
Fortnight old now- officer should be shifting themselves
Unless they're carrying 30 plus crimes likes some of ours do and come on every shift to people waiting in the cells.
Likewise - doesnt stop the OIC keeping him updated though - only a quick call or email - victim must be wondering whats happening as well. This wouldnt be dealt with by a prisoner handling team in my lot but by the cop who attended and recorded the theft so shouldnt be a case of coming to a cell block full


Edited by Bigends on Friday 17th October 19:02

Greendubber

13,231 posts

204 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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La Liga said:
nless they're carrying 30 plus crimes likes some of ours do and come on every shift to people waiting in the cells.
Yep, swimming against the tide springs to mind.

So glad I don't have to carry anything in my role.

paintman

7,700 posts

191 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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I'm just glad I'm out.....

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Bigends said:
La Liga said:
Bigends said:
Fortnight old now- officer should be shifting themselves
Unless they're carrying 30 plus crimes likes some of ours do and come on every shift to people waiting in the cells.
Likewise - doesnt stop the OIC keeping him updated though - only a quick call or email - victim must be wondering whats happening as well. This wouldnt be dealt with by a prisoner handling team in my lot but by the cop who attended and recorded the theft so shouldnt be a case of coming to a cell block full


Edited by Bigends on Friday 17th October 19:02
I think we're seeing a move (nationally) towards disbanding prisoner-handling teams as the capacity to do the absolute fundamentals is really under strain i.e. respond to 999 calls and deal with the prisoners actually in the cells. Slower-time investigations, well... when will be the time?

It's the back-end I'm noticing is having an impact, too. Our civilian investigators, who do a lot of work and are good value given their pay scales, have all been told they won't have a job next year. That work has to fall somewhere. I foresee the days of people sitting with 50-odd crimes on their lists and having to cancel all their appointments to go and sit on a scene, for example, returning. I spoke to one of our traffic officers, and a neighbouring force literally has no traffic department. They are now district officers with 'RPG skills'. They all got tied up and a response officer had to go on to the motorway to a multiple-fatal RTC.

Other than leaving the recently-dead in the cars and touching nothing, what is a response officer (who shouldn't be on the M/way) going to do with a fatal? Luckily it wasn't far from our boarder so we sorted it, but then we didn't have the capacity.

I don't think it's unrealistic to suggest the only effective policing-capacity will highly likely (for the lesser-off forces) be responding to 999s and dealing with the prisoners from those. Any pro-active or relatively-minor investigations aren't going to get any time at all, as it simply won't be there.

That turned into a mini-rant!

selym

9,544 posts

172 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Rovinghawk said:
Eclassy, Singlecoil or the police?
Sorry, I missed this one. I meant Eclassy. His attitude towards authority reminds me of my 13 yo son.

Red Devil

13,069 posts

209 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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La Liga said:
They are now district officers with 'RPG skills'.
'Kin 'ell. Your shift next week will be somewhere in Afghanistan.
Is this Big Dave's latest budget cutting wheeze?


anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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It's his crime-prevention plan!

Red 4

10,744 posts

188 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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La Liga said:
It's his crime-prevention plan!
Don't forget though, crime is down, everything is rosey and cops are loving all the support the government are giving them ... meanwhile, in the real world ...

Bigends

5,426 posts

129 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Red 4 said:
La Liga said:
It's his crime-prevention plan!
Don't forget though, crime is down, everything is rosey and cops are loving all the support the government are giving them ... meanwhile, in the real world ...
Crime figures should be well up this year now that forces have been forced to record properly following recent inspections

Red 4

10,744 posts

188 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Bigends said:
Crime figures should be well up this year now that forces have been forced to record properly following recent inspections
Well, we'll just have to wait and see what spin is applied to the figures with an election looming ....


anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Bigends said:
Crime figures should be well up this year now that forces have been forced to record properly following recent inspections
I've always wondered why the Crime Survey for England and Wales (formerly the British Crime Survey) showed crime going down in line with recorded figures. Perhaps, in the grand scheme of things, the manipulation wasn't as statistically significant (overall) as people think.

Personally, I think we should record absolutely everything possible and spend hours doing so. Town Centre scuffle that gets sorted? Record an affray. They'd get a fright when they come on Monday morning and see 200 public order offences recorded!



Bigends

5,426 posts

129 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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La Liga said:
Bigends said:
Crime figures should be well up this year now that forces have been forced to record properly following recent inspections
I've always wondered why the Crime Survey for England and Wales (formerly the British Crime Survey) showed crime going down in line with recorded figures. Perhaps, in the grand scheme of things, the manipulation wasn't as statistically significant (overall) as people think.

Personally, I think we should record absolutely everything possible and spend hours doing so. Town Centre scuffle that gets sorted? Record an affray. They'd get a fright when they come on Monday morning and see 200 public order offences recorded!
Need to record in line with the rules which doesnt necessarily mean recording every incident

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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The rules state a victim / witness / third party can report. Two of those can be officers witnessing public order offences. I think it'd be a good experiment for every force to record them all. Why not? It's a more accurate reflection of society.