£70 parking fine for 15 mins.

[Hol]

allergictocheese said:

Having seen that email Vipers, is there a chance you're being a tad paranoid here? By all means query with them what the period of grace is, however it sounds like it's designed to cover exactly the kind of scenario you've laid out, dropping off and picking up. Otherwise, for example, the PPC would be forever wasting money chasing taxi drivers or those who turn into the car park and leave right away.

I appreciate many are (sometimes with justification) sceptical regards the methods and thinking of PPCs, yet here I see no evidence you're going to fall foul of the ANPR (in fact, from the email above, quite the opposite).

Let us know how you get on, but if it was me I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about problems that as of yet haven't surfaced.

I also think people are worrying too much about

The ANPR will record the time you leave and enter. They will use those times to look for trends that indicate people are overstaying, not understaying.

If you think it through they are specifically looking for the people who are taking the piss and knowingly parking for free while they go shopping in the town centre, or those that park all day while they get a train to work.

Ok, so they might get it wrong, but that is why they have an appeals process and people to talk to in store - so you can point out that you had a flat tyre etc.

[Vipers]

Hol said:

allergictocheese said:

Having seen that email Vipers, is there a chance you're being a tad paranoid here? By all means query with them what the period of grace is, however it sounds like it's designed to cover exactly the kind of scenario you've laid out, dropping off and picking up. Otherwise, for example, the PPC would be forever wasting money chasing taxi drivers or those who turn into the car park and leave right away.

I appreciate many are (sometimes with justification) sceptical regards the methods and thinking of PPCs, yet here I see no evidence you're going to fall foul of the ANPR (in fact, from the email above, quite the opposite).

Let us know how you get on, but if it was me I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about problems that as of yet haven't surfaced.

I also think people are worrying too much about

The ANPR will record the time you leave and enter. They will use those times to look for trends that indicate people are overstaying, not understaying.

If you think it through they are specifically looking for the people who are taking the piss and knowingly parking for free while they go shopping in the town centre, or those that park all day while they get a train to work.

Ok, so they might get it wrong, but that is why they have an appeals process and people to talk to in store - so you can point out that you had a flat tyre etc.

I am just planning in case. Their written response was clear about infringing the 2 hour rule. Which I think is BS. I don't want all the hassle of appeals etc.

As I said, I am all in favour with the intent. But don't want to end hassling with a brain dead pen pusher in London.

I did something similar with the bus lanes signs which indicate you can only turn left at the junction, ahead is for buses only. My question was clear, "I assume it only applied when the bus lane is operation".

Local constabulary said the sign was 24/7, the follow up letter to the local council confirmed it is only when the bus lane is in operation. (Common sense really). That letter is kept in my car should I get pulled over.

[Kentish]

Blown2CV said:

If you're browsing a supermarket for 3 hours with children you deserve to be fined. Not for parking but for poor parenting. Is that some kind of day out? Go to a park, castle, museum, anywhere... But a supermarket? And you wonder why UK children grow up to be materialistic little stes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that?

However I actually suspect you just fking parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.

Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.

Spoken like the self righteous kind of coont that has no children and has probably never had any meaningful relationship with anything other than his right hand.

[Blown2CV]

Kentish said:

Blown2CV said:

If you're browsing a supermarket for 3 hours with children you deserve to be fined. Not for parking but for poor parenting. Is that some kind of day out? Go to a park, castle, museum, anywhere... But a supermarket? And you wonder why UK children grow up to be materialistic little stes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that?

However I actually suspect you just fking parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.

Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.

Spoken like the self righteous kind of coont that has no children and has probably never had any meaningful relationship with anything other than his right hand.

You didn't say I was wrong though. People usually start pulling others up on the way they say things when they can't actually contest the content.

[Red Devil]

Vipers said:

Red Devil said:

Ah you mean the company that puts up signs containing statements like this which are plainly absurd.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/media/4942572/parking_...

Spotted the inconsistency yet? Can you post a pic of the one in your local Sainsburys?

The problem with ANPR is it cannot prove that you parked at all. As the PE found out at Fistral Beach in Newquay. As the DJ rather forcefully observed, driving round the car park looking for a space is not parking!

THIRTY MINUTES, where is this bloody car park? North Korea, Moscow? That's taking the p/££ big time.

Indeed it is, but I'm not sure where the site is/was.

Vipers said:

This is our one :-

A decent attempt (they seem to have learned that the previous type was pants) but an inconsistency is still evident. Why do they need CCTV if the car park is patrolled? Conversely, if it's patrolled why do they need CCTV? Makes no sense to me.

Vipers said:

It occurred to me the council here has a recycling plant within the car park, you know, those separate bins for glass, plastic, paper etc, letters gone off to them as well.

Then the council shouldn't be surprised if they are underused.

Vipers said:

Inconsistency, 30 v 20 minutes?

Yep: apparently you can stay for 30 minutes free of charge yet have to cough up £70 if you stay for more than 20. The last 10 minutes of your 30 are anything but free! Bizarre.

[Vipers]

Red Devil said:

Then the council shouldn't be surprised if they are underused.

At least they are aware now that their recycling area is covered by this cash cow.

Because I have written to them, they will probably ignore it anyway, at least I tried.

[Kentish]

Blown2CV said:

Kentish said:

Blown2CV said:

If you're browsing a supermarket for 3 hours with children you deserve to be fined. Not for parking but for poor parenting. Is that some kind of day out? Go to a park, castle, museum, anywhere... But a supermarket? And you wonder why UK children grow up to be materialistic little stes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that?

However I actually suspect you just fking parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.

Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.

Spoken like the self righteous kind of coont that has no children and has probably never had any meaningful relationship with anything other than his right hand.

You didn't say I was wrong though. People usually start pulling others up on the way they say things when they can't actually contest the content.

Yes, you were spot on, it's uncanny.

I'm 42 stone and have never worked and have a Mercedes C65 AMG on mobility allowance; my wife who's 50 stone has a Hummer H3 on mobility for the kids but it does take up 3 child spaces which we feel bad about at times so we use the disabled spaces instead.

We tend to eat out most of the time as we don't fit in the kitchen of our council flat any longer; we are on the list for a 6 bed house with a pool. MacDonalds is very handy for all 3 meals a day or Burger King if we are giving the kids a treat and they can also sit and use their Ipads on the free wifi.

[allergictocheese]

I think the idea that it takes 3 hours to complete your shopping in one supermarket is nonsense (yes, I have kids).

[Vipers]

allergictocheese said:

I think the idea that it takes 3 hours to complete your shopping in one supermarket is nonsense (yes, I have kids).

I think you are saying, it's excessive?

But then if it was an hour there would be complaints, so a figure of 3 should be acceptable to the vast majority, I think.

By the time we finish our shop, have a coffee and toastie in our supermarket, a tad over an hour does it for us.

[allergictocheese]

I'm saying that I can't imagine how it could take 3 hours to do one shop in one supermarket.

As it happens, neither can the supermarket, as they've obviously chosen 3 hours as a time limit with considerable headroom so as not to restrict genuine shoppers.

[Kentish]

allergictocheese said:

I think the idea that it takes 3 hours to complete your shopping in one supermarket is nonsense (yes, I have kids).

It was the run up to Christmas.

A new huge store.

Bumped into people she knows who chatted a little.

Had to do the entire Xmas shop on her own with 2 kids of 2.5 years and 3.5 years old.

Kids have a strop as they don't wish to be forced into a trolley; they want to walk (usually to be encouraged for development but difficult to then go back on what you usually try to do - confusing to a toddler, no)?

Kids need toilet.

Kids need feeding.

Kids need toilet (one says they don't need to).

Find somewhere to leave shopping.

Pay for shopping.

Get kids to car (one now needs a wee).

Wheel trolley and toe kids back up escalator into store.

Find somewhere to park trolley with "PAID FOR" goods where it won't get stolen.

Visit toilet.

Find trolley that member of staff has moved.

Back to car; load shopping first this time just in case!

Put kids in car; hear those magic words ......."I need a poo"

Get other child out; back to store.

Wait for toilet to be free.

Visit toilet.

Back to car.

Oh sh!t .....3 hrs 15 mins since I parked.

Trust me; it is easily done.

Anyone who cannot relate to the above clearly has no kids or any understanding of what life is like with them.

[allergictocheese]

Or gossips too much and panders to their children to an excessive degree, resulting in parking tickets.

[Vipers]

allergictocheese said:

Or gossips too much and panders to their children to an excessive degree, resulting in parking tickets.

Now then, now then, it's a "Parking Charge", agree with rest, had three kids, 3 hours, never.

[Kentish]

If you ignore the "I need a wee" or "I need a poo" it takes a lot longer clearing up the mess.

As adults we can miss a meal; is making your kids miss meals good parenting?

[Devil2575]

Blown2CV said:

If you're browsing a supermarket for 3 hours with children you deserve to be fined. Not for parking but for poor parenting. Is that some kind of day out? Go to a park, castle, museum, anywhere... But a supermarket? And you wonder why UK children grow up to be materialistic little stes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that?

However I actually suspect you just fking parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.

Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.

Wow!

Time of the month?

[anonymous-user]

Vipers said:

allergictocheese said:

Or gossips too much and panders to their children to an excessive degree, resulting in parking tickets.

Now then, now then, it's a "Parking Charge", agree with rest, had three kids, 3 hours, never.

Maybe the OP's missus needs to go on a "Time management" Course http://www.activia.co.uk/jobskills/time-management...

Think of it like a "private sector" Speed awareness course, upon completion you will have learnt to prioritise things to avoid 'private parking invoices'.

I see that complaint frequently, Generally when people are taking the P*ss or don't read the signage "I was having a brew then i met someone and had a chat, blah,blah,blah and overstayed my 2 hours by an extra 3."
Or i left my car there whilst i beggared off with someone else to change his car engine and called back several hours later and i was invoiced for the parking

[Hol]

Kentish said:

A long list of random events that just happen to come together in this occasion

Trust me; it is easily done.

Anyone who cannot relate to the above clearly has no kids or any understanding of what life is like with them.

If you want honesty.

I have kids, I have taken both xmas shopping and can with honesty say that we have never overstayed a parking limit.


Do you think your wife would have acted differently, if the busy xmas time car park was pay and display as follows?:

1 Hour 50p
2 Hours 100p
3 Hours 200p
Over 3 Hours £20.00.

Edited by Hol on Wednesday 14th January 10:37

[Kentish]

Hol said:

Kentish said:

A long list of random events that just happen to come together in this occasion

Trust me; it is easily done.

Anyone who cannot relate to the above clearly has no kids or any understanding of what life is like with them.

If you want honesty.

I have kids, I have taken both xmas shopping and can with honesty say that we have never overstayed a parking limit.


Do you think your wife would have acted differently, if the busy xmas time car park was pay and display as follows?:

1 Hour 50p
2 Hours 100p
3 Hours 200p
Over 3 Hours £20.00.

Edited by Hol on Wednesday 14th January 10:37

£20 isn't so bad, £70 is excessive.

Well, hats off to you and your exemplary time keeping and time management skills; you are clearly much better parents and all round human beings than we are.

[Devil2575]

Kentish said:

£20 isn't so bad, £70 is excessive.

Well, hats off to you and your exemplary time keeping and time management skills; you are clearly much better parents and all round human beings than we are.

I've never overstayed but as a parent of two at times challenging children I can understabnd how it it possible. I can relate directly to toilet problems as my youngest had a period of withholding his poos and then if the inevitable happened when we were out it could cause problems.

I use the same supermarket every week and spend in excess of £400 a month there so if I got such a ticket while I was spending money in their store I'd contact them with my customer loyalty number and request that the ticket be waived.

[Blown2CV]

Kentish said:

Yes, you were spot on, it's uncanny.

I'm 42 stone and have never worked and have a Mercedes C65 AMG on mobility allowance; my wife who's 50 stone has a Hummer H3 on mobility for the kids but it does take up 3 child spaces which we feel bad about at times so we use the disabled spaces instead.

We tend to eat out most of the time as we don't fit in the kitchen of our council flat any longer; we are on the list for a 6 bed house with a pool. MacDonalds is very handy for all 3 meals a day or Burger King if we are giving the kids a treat and they can also sit and use their Ipads on the free wifi.

If you're going to take umbridge at a post, at least bother to read it. Where did I say you were fat and sham disabled exactly?