£70 parking fine for 15 mins.

£70 parking fine for 15 mins.

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V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

132 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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This supermarket shopping sounds like a nightmare. Do people do it willingly?

schmunk

4,399 posts

125 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Home delivery here - I haven't done a full supermarket shop in years.

Blown2CV

28,819 posts

203 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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schmunk said:
Home delivery here - I haven't done a full supermarket shop in years.
But how would you get to the mobile phone accessories shop?! Those things just aren't available on the Internet!

Kentish

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15,169 posts

234 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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I'll let "Blown" carry on ranting...... smile



Anyway, there has been nothing in the post yet so I would imagine that even the operators recognise that prior to Christmas in a huge and very busy store (that also had plenty of empty spaces in the car park), going a few minutes over on parking was not really crime of the year.

The store in question is very new, huge and the car park is also huge and underneath it so a bit of a trek. Lots of factors on that visit combined to make her stay longer than expected or wanted. She said that she would pay it if they write to ask her for it; she is not the sort of person to abuse parking, she never uses disabled bays, double yellows, she doesn't double park to nip in anywhere or anything like that and she would never normally overstay in a car park whether it be free for a duration or paid for.

Incidentally; the town is some 3 miles away which would be a long way to walk with 2 toddlers for the sake of some free parking. There are other shops near to the Sainsburys but too far and too dangerous to negotiate the busy dual carriageway roads with 2 toddlers.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

188 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Kentish said:
I'll let "Blown" carry on ranting...... smile
He's clearly blown a gasket...

Kentish

Original Poster:

15,169 posts

234 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Devil2575 said:
Kentish said:
I'll let "Blown" carry on ranting...... smile
He's clearly blown a gasket...
smile

Hol

8,412 posts

200 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Kentish said:
Devil2575 said:
Kentish said:
I'll let "Blown" carry on ranting...... smile
He's clearly blown a gasket...
smile
Quite obviously, he just doesn't feel that the world automatically owes him more than the next person.

wink




Sticks.

8,753 posts

251 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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V8 Fettler said:
This supermarket shopping sounds like a nightmare. Do people do it willingly?
I know a couple of retired-aged people who go because it's somewhere to go/gets them out. At weekends eek We're minutes from countryside and half an hour to the coast. Lack of imagination I guess.

3 hrs?? Woman + friend + cafe = possible.

Red Devil

13,060 posts

208 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Vipers said:
The plot thickens, I contacted the local council about their recycle plant within Sainsbury's car park, and the impact on people being caught out on the "2 hour return policy. Today's email from the council.



I spoke to a store manager yesterday evening and it seems that there has been a misunderstanding about the parking policy. The parking limit is 2 hours but you can come back any time you want as long as each stay is not more than 2 hours.


Totally conflicting with Euro Car Parks letter to me and the sign in the car park. Now to write to the manager and get him to confirm this, don't want to get caught out.

I am wondering if the reference to 2 hours parking is a typo, signs say 3.


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It wouldn't be the first time that the two contracting parties are not singing from the same hymn sheet. Usually it's the PPC trying to move the goalposts to its advantage like PE has been doing for years at Aldi in Portslade.

Another question if I may. In your case is it Sainsbury's who have contracted with the PPC or are there other retail outlets on site and the freeholder (or their managing agents) have done the deed?

Randy Winkman

16,136 posts

189 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Blown2CV said:
i've been over this, but i may as well go again.

if you've spent 3 hours in a supermarket you are a lunatic, and if you've got kids with you then i hope they screamed solidly the whole time. However no-one would ever spend 3 hours in a supermarket, i just won't accept that it ever happens, fking key cutters or no. It's fundamentally a lie, and basically they weren't in the supermarket. They were off in town shopping, enjoying spending the money they didn't 'waste' by parking in a proper car park.

However it is even the made up st that's annoyed me most, it's the attitude amongst some of the people posting in response that there is some justifiable right to complain in this scenario, that in some way even though they were solely at fault, and no-one made them break the clearly defined rules, that they were STILL somehow wronged. That even though the supermarket have put in place these exact rules to stop just these type of people from taking just the same kind of the piss, that in some way they'll make an exception because these people are the special ones. Further, that using leverage of being a 'good customer' and all the money they spend in the store, except they actually didn't, and that's putting good bullst after bad. Like the supermarket don't know exactly what's going on, and don't get 500 such letters a week.
I'm with you. People doing what the f*ck they like is "what's wrong with the country".

allergictocheese

1,290 posts

113 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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You are not necessarily contracting with the store. The store's opinion of the situation may be irrelevant.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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allergictocheese said:
You are not necessarily contracting with the store. The store's opinion of the situation may be irrelevant.
Please don't let facts get in the way of a good rant smile

Vipers

32,886 posts

228 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Red Devil said:
Vipers said:
The plot thickens, I contacted the local council about their recycle plant within Sainsbury's car park, and the impact on people being caught out on the "2 hour return policy. Today's email from the council.



I spoke to a store manager yesterday evening and it seems that there has been a misunderstanding about the parking policy. The parking limit is 2 hours but you can come back any time you want as long as each stay is not more than 2 hours.


Totally conflicting with Euro Car Parks letter to me and the sign in the car park. Now to write to the manager and get him to confirm this, don't want to get caught out.

I am wondering if the reference to 2 hours parking is a typo, signs say 3.


smile
It wouldn't be the first time that the two contracting parties are not singing from the same hymn sheet. Usually it's the PPC trying to move the goalposts to its advantage like PE has been doing for years at Aldi in Portslade.

Another question if I may. In your case is it Sainsbury's who have contracted with the PPC or are there other retail outlets on site and the freeholder (or their managing agents) have done the deed?
Not sure who contacted the PPC, next to them is a big B & Q, that had it installed at the same, so maybe freeholders. Anyway when the store manager of Sainsburys answers my first letter, there will be another going back to him.

Customers need to know where they stand. His comments to the council email are in contradiction to the notices posted on the car park.




smile

Blown2CV

28,819 posts

203 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Hol said:
Kentish said:
Devil2575 said:
Kentish said:
I'll let "Blown" carry on ranting...... smile
He's clearly blown a gasket...
smile
Quite obviously, he just doesn't feel that the world automatically owes him more than the next person.

wink
i was deliberately being a tit about it, but yes that's it! Sometimes you've just got to lean into it smile

Red Devil

13,060 posts

208 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Vipers said:
Red Devil said:
Vipers said:
The plot thickens, I contacted the local council about their recycle plant within Sainsbury's car park, and the impact on people being caught out on the "2 hour return policy. Today's email from the council.



I spoke to a store manager yesterday evening and it seems that there has been a misunderstanding about the parking policy. The parking limit is 2 hours but you can come back any time you want as long as each stay is not more than 2 hours.


Totally conflicting with Euro Car Parks letter to me and the sign in the car park. Now to write to the manager and get him to confirm this, don't want to get caught out.

I am wondering if the reference to 2 hours parking is a typo, signs say 3.


smile
It wouldn't be the first time that the two contracting parties are not singing from the same hymn sheet. Usually it's the PPC trying to move the goalposts to its advantage like PE has been doing for years at Aldi in Portslade.

Another question if I may. In your case is it Sainsbury's who have contracted with the PPC or are there other retail outlets on site and the freeholder (or their managing agents) have done the deed?
Not sure who contacted the PPC, next to them is a big B & Q, that had it installed at the same, so maybe freeholders. Anyway when the store manager of Sainsburys answers my first letter, there will be another going back to him.

Customers need to know where they stand. His comments to the council email are in contradiction to the notices posted on the car park.




smile
I quite agree, but now it gets even more interesting. Is the 3 hours free only for customers of Sainsbury's? Do B&Q have a separate area with the same/a different free period that applies specifically to their store? Or is it a shared site? The latter wold favour the freeholder/managing agents involvement. A shared site could get quite messy on signage and boundaries. As in the Ibbotson case which concerned a PCN issued at a Wickes store (although that case ended up being decided on different grounds).

Vipers

32,886 posts

228 months

Wednesday 21st January 2015
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The plot thickens re Sainsburys car park at Garthdee and Euro Car Parks.

Bearing in mind their sign states "No return within 2 hours".



I wrote to Euro Car Parks and asked if I drop my wife off in the car park, and exit, can I return within 2 hours and not be caught in the "Return within 2 hour policy".

Their response in writing :-

With reference to dropping someone off at the car park, you still need to wait 2 hours before you return to the car park.

I also wrote to Sainsburys head office in London, they said:-

I've spoken with a colleague at our Garthdee store to discuss this issue. She has confirmed with the Deputy Manage that the information you received from Euro Car Parks is incorrect and that the store does not have a two hour no return" policy in place

Meanwhile an earlier email to Euro Car Parks, came back with this little gem:-

There should be no issue providing you do not overstay. There is a grace period for vehicles to arrive read the signage and depart

WTF. So now thats cleared up, its a letter back to Sainsburys and suggest they get the bloody sign amended. What a bunch of tossers.




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Edited by Vipers on Wednesday 21st January 15:21

Haggleburyfinius

6,599 posts

186 months

Wednesday 21st January 2015
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My father often meets his business partners at motorway services; the discussions and endless cups of £5 coffee often go on for 3 hours.

We get these letters from PE almost every week.

The annoying thing is not the telling them to FO but the fact that the car lease company charges £20 each time a letter goes via them.

schmunk

4,399 posts

125 months

Wednesday 21st January 2015
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Haggleburyfinius said:
My father often meets his business partners at motorway services; the discussions and endless cups of £5 coffee often go on for 3 hours.

We get these letters from PE almost every week.

The annoying thing is not the telling them to FO but the fact that the car lease company charges £20 each time a letter goes via them.
"Business partners"

whistle

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 21st January 2015
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Haggleburyfinius said:
My father often meets his business partners at motorway services; the discussions and endless cups of £5 coffee often go on for 3 hours.

We get these letters from PE almost every week.

The annoying thing is not the telling them to FO but the fact that the car lease company charges £20 each time a letter goes via them.
You'd have thought he would of learnt by now then confused

Have you asked why it costs £20 to send a letter, Just tell them to FO eh biglaugh

herewego

8,814 posts

213 months

Wednesday 21st January 2015
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speedyguy said:
Haggleburyfinius said:
My father often meets his business partners at motorway services; the discussions and endless cups of £5 coffee often go on for 3 hours.

We get these letters from PE almost every week.

The annoying thing is not the telling them to FO but the fact that the car lease company charges £20 each time a letter goes via them.
You'd have thought he would have learnt by now then confused

Have you asked why it costs £20 to send a letter, Just tell them to FO eh biglaugh
I expect it's in the T&Cs.