£70 parking fine for 15 mins.
Discussion
Haggleburyfinius said:
My father often meets his business partners at motorway services; the discussions and endless cups of £5 coffee often go on for 3 hours.
We get these letters from PE almost every week.
The annoying thing is not the telling them to FO but the fact that the car lease company charges £20 each time a letter goes via them.
maybe the services travelodge would rent him a room for a few hours. Coffee is free in there too.We get these letters from PE almost every week.
The annoying thing is not the telling them to FO but the fact that the car lease company charges £20 each time a letter goes via them.
Haggleburyfinius said:
My father often meets his business partners at motorway services; the discussions and endless cups of £5 coffee often go on for 3 hours.
We get these letters from PE almost every week.
The annoying thing is not the telling them to FO but the fact that the car lease company charges £20 each time a letter goes via them.
Perhaps he could pay for parking as indicated on the numerous signs dotted around the car park? I believe it's not complicated, nor extortionate.We get these letters from PE almost every week.
The annoying thing is not the telling them to FO but the fact that the car lease company charges £20 each time a letter goes via them.
Vipers said:
The plot thickens re Sainsburys car park at Garthdee and Euro Car Parks.
Bearing in mind their sign states "No return within 2 hours".
I wrote to Euro Car Parks and asked if I drop my wife off in the car park, and exit, can I return within 2 hours and not be caught in the "Return within 2 hour policy".
Their response in writing :-
With reference to dropping someone off at the car park, you still need to wait 2 hours before you return to the car park.
I also wrote to Sainsburys head office in London, they said:-
I've spoken with a colleague at our Garthdee store to discuss this issue. She has confirmed with the Deputy Manage that the information you received from Euro Car Parks is incorrect and that the store does not have a two hour no return" policy in place
Meanwhile an earlier email to Euro Car Parks, came back with this little gem:-
There should be no issue providing you do not overstay. There is a grace period for vehicles to arrive read the signage and depart
WTF. So now thats cleared up, its a letter back to Sainsburys and suggest they get the bloody sign amended. What a bunch of tossers.
If Sainsburys are the party which brought in the PPC on that site, it would be VERY interesting to see the contract terms - i.e whether it permits the PPC to impose its own rather than those of the supermarket. It would almost be worth somebody getting ECP to take them to court (if the PPC dared) and force disclosure of the unredacted document. There is nothing commercially sensitive about time limits, so there would be no grounds for concealment. Indeed any attempt to do so would be highly suspect.Bearing in mind their sign states "No return within 2 hours".
I wrote to Euro Car Parks and asked if I drop my wife off in the car park, and exit, can I return within 2 hours and not be caught in the "Return within 2 hour policy".
Their response in writing :-
With reference to dropping someone off at the car park, you still need to wait 2 hours before you return to the car park.
I also wrote to Sainsburys head office in London, they said:-
I've spoken with a colleague at our Garthdee store to discuss this issue. She has confirmed with the Deputy Manage that the information you received from Euro Car Parks is incorrect and that the store does not have a two hour no return" policy in place
Meanwhile an earlier email to Euro Car Parks, came back with this little gem:-
There should be no issue providing you do not overstay. There is a grace period for vehicles to arrive read the signage and depart
WTF. So now thats cleared up, its a letter back to Sainsburys and suggest they get the bloody sign amended. What a bunch of tossers.
Edited by Vipers on Wednesday 21st January 15:21
As I said in a previous post, it wouldn't be the first time a PPC played fast and loose and it won't be the last. The decision to bring them in is not delegated to individual store managers. It's done at a much higher level. Unfortunately, until the suits in corporate head offices exercise proper control of their sub-contracted parasites, issues like this will continue to raise their ugly head.
Your next step could be to ask ECP to confirm in writing what the actual 'grace period' is - 1 minute, 5, 10...?
Red Devil said:
Your next step could be to ask ECP to confirm in writing what the actual 'grace period' is - 1 minute, 5, 10...?
Already written back to Sainsbury's enclosing both letters, their one and the Euro Car Parks one. Next letter will be off to Euro Car Parks to confirm the 2 hour ruling, and if need be change their sign to reflect the correct information.If indeed there is no 2 hour return policy, the grace period becomes a non issue. What a crock of s
t.Blown2CV said:
maybe the services travelodge would rent him a room for a few hours. Coffee is free in there too.
Many services have Regus office space and meeting rooms on site now which you can rent or book online, i bet you get free parking with them.Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
ECP won't be the ones setting the time limits on behalf of Sainsbury's. The time limits allowed have enormous commercial implications attached. The retailer isn't going to hand over such an important metric to a third party contractor.
However...
In pure contractual terms, for the person parking, the important contract is the one you enter with the PPC. If that says 2 hours rather than the 3 Sainsbury's think it is, strictly speaking that is the time limit you have.
If ECP are in breach of their contract with Sainsbury's that's a matter for them. Unless Sainsbury's enforce their own rights under their contract with the PPC, it has no bearing on the contract between Parker and PPC.
Although, in the real world, I don't imagine ECP would refuse to honour whatever Sainsbury's wanted them to.
However...
In pure contractual terms, for the person parking, the important contract is the one you enter with the PPC. If that says 2 hours rather than the 3 Sainsbury's think it is, strictly speaking that is the time limit you have.
If ECP are in breach of their contract with Sainsbury's that's a matter for them. Unless Sainsbury's enforce their own rights under their contract with the PPC, it has no bearing on the contract between Parker and PPC.
Although, in the real world, I don't imagine ECP would refuse to honour whatever Sainsbury's wanted them to.
speedyguy said:
Many services have Regus office space and meeting rooms on site now which you can rent or book online, i bet you get free parking with them.
Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
And why would any company pay for the use long term office facilities, when they can use some short term traveller facilities for a company meeting, for free?Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
Hol said:
speedyguy said:
Many services have Regus office space and meeting rooms on site now which you can rent or book online, i bet you get free parking with them.
Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
And why would any company pay for the use long term office facilities, when they can use some short term traveller facilities for a company meeting, for free?Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
Corpulent Tosser said:
Hol said:
speedyguy said:
Many services have Regus office space and meeting rooms on site now which you can rent or book online, i bet you get free parking with them.
Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
And why would any company pay for the use of long term office facilities, when they can use some short term traveller facilities for a company meeting, for free?Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
You can rent by the hour drop in etc, i suppose it all boils down to everyone wants everything for free nowadays
speedyguy said:
Blown2CV said:
maybe the services travelodge would rent him a room for a few hours. Coffee is free in there too.
Many services have Regus office space and meeting rooms on site now which you can rent or book online, i bet you get free parking with them.Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
allergictocheese said:
ECP won't be the ones setting the time limits on behalf of Sainsbury's. The time limits allowed have enormous commercial implications attached. The retailer isn't going to hand over such an important metric to a third party contractor.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. The scandalous behaviour of the PPC at a certain supermarket in Sussex in flouting planning permission stipulations which were put in place as a condition of approval for building the store suggests otherwise. The whole saga is still ongoing and the PPC has won the latest round. It remains to be seen whether the LA has the bottle (or the funds) to continue the battle. When private interest is willing to throw enough money into the ring to protect its flawed business model it can only be either desperation or avarice which prompts such action. allergictocheese said:
However...
In pure contractual terms, for the person parking, the important contract is the one you enter with the PPC. If that says 2 hours rather than the 3 Sainsbury's think it is, strictly speaking that is the time limit you have.
If ECP are in breach of their contract with Sainsbury's that's a matter for them. Unless Sainsbury's enforce their own rights under their contract with the PPC, it has no bearing on the contract between Parker and PPC.
Although, in the real world, I don't imagine ECP would refuse to honour whatever Sainsbury's wanted them to.
Sorry but I think you're living in a some sort of Utopian bubble. The real world issue is how willing the principals really are to get tough with their sub-contractors. Look what happened to Somerfield when they discovered how disastrous for their reputation getting into bed with a greedy PPC was and wanted to kick them into the long grass.In pure contractual terms, for the person parking, the important contract is the one you enter with the PPC. If that says 2 hours rather than the 3 Sainsbury's think it is, strictly speaking that is the time limit you have.
If ECP are in breach of their contract with Sainsbury's that's a matter for them. Unless Sainsbury's enforce their own rights under their contract with the PPC, it has no bearing on the contract between Parker and PPC.
Although, in the real world, I don't imagine ECP would refuse to honour whatever Sainsbury's wanted them to.
He who sups with the Devil...
speedyguy said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Hol said:
speedyguy said:
Many services have Regus office space and meeting rooms on site now which you can rent or book online, i bet you get free parking with them.
Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
[Scarcasm]And why would any company pay for the use of long term office facilities, when they can use some short term traveller facilities for a company meeting, for free? [/Scarcasm]Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
You can rent by the hour drop in etc, i suppose it all boils down to everyone wants everything for free nowadays
And it shouldnt be free, but if people can get away with abusing it the way they do - it might just as well be.
Hol said:
speedyguy said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Hol said:
speedyguy said:
Many services have Regus office space and meeting rooms on site now which you can rent or book online, i bet you get free parking with them.
Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
[Scarcasm]And why would any company pay for the use of long term office facilities, when they can use some short term traveller facilities for a company meeting, for free? [/Scarcasm]Sounds like someone to tight to pay for owt
You can rent by the hour drop in etc, i suppose it all boils down to everyone wants everything for free nowadays
And it shouldnt be free, but if people can get away with abusing it the way they do - it might just as well be.
Red Devil said:
Sorry but I think you're living in a some sort of Utopian bubble. The real world issue is how willing the principals really are to get tough with their sub-contractors. Look what happened to Somerfield when they discovered how disastrous for their reputation getting into bed with a greedy PPC was and wanted to kick them into the long grass.
He who sups with the Devil...
You will be aware , therefore, that in their contract with Parking Eye, Somerfield had the right to set parking time limits and exemptions. You would also know that PE complied with Somerfield's store-by-store requests to alter time limits as and when those requests came about. Somerfield lost their case in the High Court and then in the Court of Appeal.He who sups with the Devil...
Motorrad said:
retrorider said:
They will try and get you to contract with them.Ignore all written requests from them and get on with your life.
Poor advice. Since the 'law' (or act which requires consent, which you gave by registering your vehicle with DVLA, as you sound like a freeman on the land nutter) changed the rk is now liable for parking charges and could be taken to court to enforce. Better to contact Sainsburys and go down the loyal customer route then appeal to POPLA if unsuccessful.Stotty
Despite some of the 'advice' you get on here regarding these 'parking invoices' , may i suggest you register with pepipoo.com and read what they say and what assistance they give. Whilst they are not lawyers ( i think) they do have a pretty good understanding on this sort of thing and even win against councils now and again, esp where the council 'small print' is flawed.
All they ask is that if you have a 'invoice' or council fine then you are 100% honest with them, tell porkies or bend the truth they will give you a good bking for wasting their time.
some of the cases make interesting reading.
So if you ever get caught by a PPC you have nothing at all to lose by asking for their help.
a Couple of points they do make is
Wait for the notice to keeper to arrive before contacting the PPC
EXCEPT if the car is on hire to you, or is a company car eg you are NOT the registered keeper. The reason for this is that the RK will pay the invoice and then bill you for it, by getting in first the PPC dont get the RK details
NEVER EVER write to the PPC as the driver, always in the third person, the driver did this, the driver saw that etc
HTH
Despite some of the 'advice' you get on here regarding these 'parking invoices' , may i suggest you register with pepipoo.com and read what they say and what assistance they give. Whilst they are not lawyers ( i think) they do have a pretty good understanding on this sort of thing and even win against councils now and again, esp where the council 'small print' is flawed.
All they ask is that if you have a 'invoice' or council fine then you are 100% honest with them, tell porkies or bend the truth they will give you a good b
king for wasting their time.some of the cases make interesting reading.
So if you ever get caught by a PPC you have nothing at all to lose by asking for their help.
a Couple of points they do make is
Wait for the notice to keeper to arrive before contacting the PPC
EXCEPT if the car is on hire to you, or is a company car eg you are NOT the registered keeper. The reason for this is that the RK will pay the invoice and then bill you for it, by getting in first the PPC dont get the RK details
NEVER EVER write to the PPC as the driver, always in the third person, the driver did this, the driver saw that etc
HTH
herewego said:
StottyEvo said:
When did this change? I've racked up about 5 of these "fines" over the past couple of years and I've simply ignored their letters. I didn't realise they could actually be enforced.
Why did this happen more than once?I lived at my brothers for 2 weeks, he parked out on the road and let me park in his flats parking spot. Because I didn't have a permit I received a fine for that.
All private companies so I ignored the fines. I expect I'll need to receive a court letter before I could be black marked/CCJ?
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