Joining the Police
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defblade said:
LosingGrip said:
Good luck! Sure you are aware the bleep test is 5.4 after going to level three for a warm up. Not the hardest, but people do fail it.
Greendubber said:
As above. Get it downloaded and give it a practice but make sure you get the 15m one!
I've watched some videos, it looks like less effort than my cool-down jogging after karate, let alone the warm-up, so shouldn't be a problem 
I'll be setting it out and giving it a quick go this weekend anyway, just be be sure...
Chicken Chaser said:
Jacks0n said:
SFO?
Has to be, it's the only role that I think requires that. 5.4 standard
6.3 PSU
6.4 Air Support
9.5 AFO
10.5 SFO
Personally I think it should be higher for frontline roles.
AFO is 7.6
ARV is 9.4 (I'm not uber critical so will assume yours is merely a tpyo)
Dynamic Intervention AFO is 10.5
Pedant mode off.
Agreed on the standard fitness test (and some other roles).
It's not exactly difficult (illness or injury aside).
If you can't do it or burst a blood vessel trying then you should take a look at yourself.
Pedantry Matters. Schoolboy errors will not be tolerated here - now or at any time in the future.
You should know that by now.
Up your game.
Idiot.
wjb said:
Red 4 said:
Agreed on the standard fitness test (and some other roles).
It's not exactly difficult (illness or injury aside).
If you can't do it or burst a blood vessel trying then you should take a look at yourself.
I make you right there, it was '8.1' just to get in back in the day.It's not exactly difficult (illness or injury aside).
If you can't do it or burst a blood vessel trying then you should take a look at yourself.
It was minimum 7 mins 30 secs on a 20 metre run for recruits back in the 90s.
Female officers were required to do less.
Specialist roles were higher - 9 minutes for Support Unit, for example, iirc.
The current 5.4 test (15 metre run) equates to about 3 minutes and 40 seconds.
Other tests are also available including a walking/ incline treadmill test ...
Standards are comparatively low.
If Winsor has his way they will be increased though ...
La Liga said:
Then they should allow training during work time like other organisations that have fitness tests to remain within the job.
We get a bit but nowhere near as much as we used to. We'll be in early and train before or after work most of the time.There's a degree of personal responsibility when it comes to fitness in the police, sadly a lot of people don't bother. I'm not saying everyone needs to be an iron man but the current job fitness test and OST training is rubbish.
Red 4 said:
Pedant mode on -
AFO is 7.6
ARV is 9.4 (I'm not uber critical so will assume yours is merely a tpyo)
Dynamic Intervention AFO is 10.5
Pedant mode off.
Agreed on the standard fitness test (and some other roles).
It's not exactly difficult (illness or injury aside).
If you can't do it or burst a blood vessel trying then you should take a look at yourself.
Pedantry Matters. Schoolboy errors will not be tolerated here - now or at any time in the future.
You should know that by now.
Up your game.
Idiot.
It wasn't a typo, I did think that ARV and AFO were the same. I find it hard to understand why the 2 wouldn't be the same when essentially they can be asked to perform the same role (when necessary). AFO is 7.6
ARV is 9.4 (I'm not uber critical so will assume yours is merely a tpyo)
Dynamic Intervention AFO is 10.5
Pedant mode off.
Agreed on the standard fitness test (and some other roles).
It's not exactly difficult (illness or injury aside).
If you can't do it or burst a blood vessel trying then you should take a look at yourself.
Pedantry Matters. Schoolboy errors will not be tolerated here - now or at any time in the future.
You should know that by now.
Up your game.
Idiot.
Chicken Chaser said:
It wasn't a typo, I did think that ARV and AFO were the same. I find it hard to understand why the 2 wouldn't be the same when essentially they can be asked to perform the same role (when necessary).
Different counties have different rules.Usually you'll find that ARVOs have more tactics or tactical available to them than an AFO would. So they are both fire arms roles but can be very different jobs.
Chicken Chaser said:
It wasn't a typo, I did think that ARV and AFO were the same. I find it hard to understand why the 2 wouldn't be the same when essentially they can be asked to perform the same role (when necessary).
Fair point.I think the different fitness standards for AFO and ARV is odd too.
Essentially though - AFO; stand there, guard that.(think Mod Plod, CNC, diplomatic protection, etc etc).
ARV - respond to that incident/ threat.
Or something like that. Probably.
Red 4 said:
Fair point.
I think the different fitness standards for AFO and ARV is odd too.
Essentially though - AFO; stand there, guard that.(think Mod Plod, CNC, diplomatic protection, etc etc).
ARV - respond to that incident/ threat.
Or something like that. Probably.
I think some of the county forces backfill ARV with AFOs so at times they may be called to do the same job.I think the different fitness standards for AFO and ARV is odd too.
Essentially though - AFO; stand there, guard that.(think Mod Plod, CNC, diplomatic protection, etc etc).
ARV - respond to that incident/ threat.
Or something like that. Probably.
What level do dogs need?
LosingGrip said:
They make the dogs do the bleep test?!
Great motivation if you are struggling with the last couple of shuttles More seriously Lynne Owens (Who I have mixed feelings about), when she was in Surrey, used to do the bleep test with any of her officers who were on their last chance which I was impressed with.
5.4 is probably too low a bar though, but that has to balanced against who they would lose if they raised it. When some potentials, for one of my teams, were complaining they couldn't hear the bleeps one of my TFCs did the test in the middle, wearing a high viz over his suit, to 9.4 to show the pace.
Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 27th December 08:50
The routine fitness level for all frontline officers should be much higher.
Half a days fitness and UOF a month minimum (preferably weekly) should be built into the system as well.
That would build up a basic fitness and develop muscle memory for UOF skills.
It would bond teams and create decent groups of fit and capable officers.
I realise with current staffing and budgets it isn't going to happen, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't.
I wish the above had been in place when I was in the job..
If your overweight (like I was) it motivates you to shape up..
A bleep test linked to pay band with an age allowance might be good?
Basic bleep test = basic pay..
10+ = Basic + 1k
15+ = Basic + 2k
Half a days fitness and UOF a month minimum (preferably weekly) should be built into the system as well.
That would build up a basic fitness and develop muscle memory for UOF skills.
It would bond teams and create decent groups of fit and capable officers.
I realise with current staffing and budgets it isn't going to happen, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't.
I wish the above had been in place when I was in the job..
If your overweight (like I was) it motivates you to shape up..
A bleep test linked to pay band with an age allowance might be good?
Basic bleep test = basic pay..
10+ = Basic + 1k
15+ = Basic + 2k
Chicken Chaser said:
I think some of the county forces backfill ARV with AFOs so at times they may be called to do the same job.
What level do dogs need?
5.7 for dog handler.What level do dogs need?
It's less than air support (which is strange. A helicopter is quite an advantage).
CoP Standards here;
https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/Standards...
Red 4 said:
5.7 for dog handler.
It's less than air support (which is strange. A helicopter is quite an advantage).
CoP Standards here;
https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/Standards...
Quite ridiculous when you think of how much action the air observers get.It's less than air support (which is strange. A helicopter is quite an advantage).
CoP Standards here;
https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/Standards...
peterperkins said:
A bleep test linked to pay band with an age allowance might be good?
Basic bleep test = basic pay..
10+ = Basic + 1k
15+ = Basic + 2k
Winsor did it the other way.Basic bleep test = basic pay..
10+ = Basic + 1k
15+ = Basic + 2k
Fail fitness test - can't do Officer Safety Training.
Can't do OST - not deployable.
Not deployable - wage cut of £3k.
12 months to shape up.
If you don't, there's the door.
No carrot, just stick.
To be fair though (and fitness standards being so low currently), absent illness/ injury I think that is fair enough.
Iirc The Regs to enable the above came in last year.
Whether forces will use them is another matter.
However, when you combine fitness testing with the increase in pension age to 60, the likelihood of fitness standards being increased (Winsor wanted the PSNI test to be brought in) and the savings that could be made if officers are binned early and their pensions deferred, then a cynic might think it's all about the money.
Edited by Red 4 on Thursday 27th December 19:16
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