Joining the Police
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Bigends said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
Have you ever noticed how often people just completely ignore your posts?
If serving officers post on here how they may treat offenders then comments can be expected surely and open to healthy debate and questioning
PS didnt answer earlier - just in from work.
Bigends said:
Of course youre not going to take some blood spitting granny mugger home for tea are you - but - once the fisticuffs is over and everybodys calmed down and in custody - get things back on an even keel and act like humans again - get into prisoner handling rather than reactive policing and youll see it makes sense. If youve already done that then you'll know it makes sense
If serving officers post on here how they may treat offenders then comments can be expected surely and open to healthy debate and questioning
PS didnt answer earlier - just in from work.
I totally agree with you. In fact, a huge amount of intelligence and information comes from people who are sitting waiting to be booked in, if you're decent to them. If serving officers post on here how they may treat offenders then comments can be expected surely and open to healthy debate and questioning
PS didnt answer earlier - just in from work.
I quite enjoy chatting to prisoners as it goes. It's a massive eye opener. The way I see it, is that certainly in some areas, you can be arresting someone one day, and sitting next to them in a pub the next day, and they certainly remember you whether you remember them or not! There will always be some who will not want to talk to someone who's just arrested them, but the majority of them know the score, and play the game.
Comments on here can often be misconstrued or the sentiment lost.
Also, you forgot a full stop in your last sentence, and I spent a couple of minutes wondering what PS you had been questioning!
carinaman said:
Where does 'chatting' to detainees while they're waiting to be booked in sit with the caution and the intel provided and the opportunity for detainees to self incriminate?
Talking to the police casually is pretty normal. Usually not about the offence you've been arrested for. Depends on the officer as well. I found older ones easier to get along with. They take things in their stride a bit more and don't make everything personal. That's not a dig at young police officers, it's just my observation. In my experience many "deals" are done with a quite chat. "Don't muck us around here and this is cautionable" you know they have the evidence to charge, and they know they do. But it's a lot more effort and cost for what would be a very low sentence. It's smart policing. In those circumstances I liked the police. You'd often have chats like that in the rooms you speak to the solicitor in - technically it might be against the rules, but it's better for everyone.
carinaman said:
Where does 'chatting' to detainees while they're waiting to be booked in sit with the caution and the intel provided and the opportunity for detainees to self incriminate?
Sorry to disssapoint you once again, but, and I think you know this full well, chatting to prisoners about unrelated matters is absolutely fine. If you took your pedant/anti police/irrelevant link hat off for a second, you'd see the common sense and rationale behind things.Mk3Spitfire said:
Sorry to disssapoint you once again, but, and I think you know this full well, chatting to prisoners about unrelated matters is absolutely fine. If you took your pedant/anti police/irrelevant link hat off for a second, you'd see the common sense and rationale behind things.
The 'Argh dont say anything get a brief they're out to f
k you over etc etc' brigade.Or in reality talk about anything that comes up that has nothing to do with the allegation/arrest, normally the quality of the custody 'all day breakfast' microwave meal, how many times have you tasered someone or what team do you follow. After all it's pretty uncomfortable sitting silently for 2 hours waiting to get booked in!
As far as I'm concerned once the cuffs are on and that person is calmed down then I'll quite happily sit there and pass the time. They're not going anywhere any time soon but I know I'll be going somewhere better than the block
carinaman said:
Where does 'chatting' to detainees while they're waiting to be booked in sit with the caution and the intel provided and the opportunity for detainees to self incriminate?
You seem to have some grasp of the technical terms of this procedure, I'm guessing you've been on the wrong side of the desk a few times. What did you do?Mk3Spitfire said:
^^ Exactly! Sitting in awkward silence for hours isn't very appealing to me. there are a select few that I'd rather not engage in in-depth philosophical debates with, but I don't mind discussing the weather with the majority of them!
I won't entertain the ones that are still being pricks though, you know the ones that always say 'if these cuffs weren't on I'd batter you' even though they had ample opportunity to do so before you put the cuffs on 
Normally followed by 'you were bullied at school' etc etc. Yes mate I was but enjoy your blue plastic matress and 8ft x 8ft concrete box.
Baryonyx said:
You seem to have some grasp of the technical terms of this procedure, I'm guessing you've been on the wrong side of the desk a few times. What did you do?
I think some bizarre obsession, lack of an ordinary hobby and a very little bit of knowledge is more likely than him/her being locked up before. Baryonyx said:
carinaman said:
How can there be a 'wrong' side when police officers stand both sides of the desk?
I meant in a metaphorical sense. Wrong side of the law, if you're struggling to follow.I recently bumped into someone who I dealt with last year for quite a heavy job. He was a proper handful at the job, to the point where he backed me into a corner and it wasn't looking good. After about 30 mins of chatting to him while he was in handcuffs, it all diffused a little bit and we ended up guiding him through a process to sort his life out. I ran into him a while later after he started an apprenticeship at a company, and he was very grateful that we'd treated him like a human as opposed to a piece of s
t. He said it had made him rethink his life. Bumped into him again a couple of weeks back when I was out with friends, and he bought me a drink, shot the breeze for a bit, had a laugh about his previous idiocy and disappeared.Manners make a man, whichever side of the law you're on...
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