Abandoned car on private property.
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photosnob said:
Countdown said:
What SHOULD she have done?
Perhaps what the Police have said and moved the car... Not sold it to a scrap man. I would have no problem with people moving my car if they did so with a bit of consideration. That is fine. Or even just leaving it alone - you know... She might lose out on a bit of income, but going forward she would look into legal ways to stop that happening. However I draw the line at people selling my property to a scrap man. I also draw the line to people intentionally moving it onto double yellow lines near a junction.
I think it's very very easy for people to say things like this on the internet. If it happened in reality you'd be having bricks coming through the windows. I don't park my car in a private parking spot for months... But neither do I vandalise or steal other people's property if they inconvenience me. If I was to do either of these things I'd expect bad things to happen to me... And I certainly wouldn't be calling the Police or complaining when it did.
OP I've had exactly the same thing with a car dumped on one of my industrial site car parks. Spoke to the local council and they had it scrapped. Not strictly speaking their responsibility but if they're reminded of how much in rates etc your contributing they are often quite flexible.
photosnob said:
Perhaps what the Police have said and moved the car...
Moved the car where exactly? It wasn't taxed so anywhere in public would have risked it being clamped and towed. Would you consider OP's mum to have been responsible for that as well? Or maybe she should have dumped it on somebody else's private land?photosnob said:
I would have no problem with people moving my car if they did so with a bit of consideration.
That's very noble of you. Is it unfair or unrealistic to expect some "consideration" from the owner by not parking in a private car park in the first place?photosnob said:
That is fine. Or even just leaving it alone - you know... She might lose out on a bit of income, but going forward she would look into legal ways to stop that happening.
So you think it's fair and reasonable for her to spend time and money because other people behave like selfish twunts? Why do people like you bend over backwards to excuse twuntish behaviour by twunts and expect other people to accept it? Is it because it's the type of thing you engage in yourself?photosnob said:
However I draw the line at people selling my property to a scrap man. I also draw the line to people intentionally moving it onto double yellow lines near a junction.
Yes absolutely. Anything less than OP's mum storing the car in a humidity controlled marble tiled garage would be inconsiderate behaviour. It's been parked there for weeks and she hasn't even valeted the thing. Perhaps the owner should get compensation for that as well?photosnob said:
I think it's very very easy for people to say things like this on the internet. If it happened in reality you'd be having bricks coming through the windows. I don't park my car in a private parking spot for months... But neither do I vandalise or steal other people's property if they inconvenience me. If I was to do either of these things I'd expect bad things to happen to me... And I certainly wouldn't be calling the Police or complaining when it did.
How about (and admittedly this is a radical suggestion) people don't dump their untaxed piles of s
t on other peoples' private land? and then leave it there for weeks/months on end? and then moan and whinge when somebody removes it?Have you read the efforts made by OP's mum to contact the owner? The notes he disregarded? If he'd been given a ticket by PE and their ilk no doubt he;d have been moaning about how unfair it was and they were a bunch of money grubbing twunts but it's only notes from a little old lady trying to run a business so the arrogant git can just ignore them, can't he?
photosnob said:
If the mother calls the police I'd hope any self respecting police officer would arrest her. What she has done is theft... She has sold something that doesn't belong to her. Plain and simple.
I'll remember that it's okay to help people get away with criminal offences next time by telling them what lies to tell. I'll offer helpful advice on how to get cheaper insurance and get away with it as well.
The fact that any of you hypocrites are telling the old girl to call the police is astonishing. Op it's your mum, she decided to sell someone's property so that it could be destroyed - so tell her to sort it herself. If you want to deal with it go and see the bloke yourself and admit what she has done. I'd take some big friends with you though.
I imagine your trying to get a bite but, really interested in how you would of dealt with it? I'll remember that it's okay to help people get away with criminal offences next time by telling them what lies to tell. I'll offer helpful advice on how to get cheaper insurance and get away with it as well.
The fact that any of you hypocrites are telling the old girl to call the police is astonishing. Op it's your mum, she decided to sell someone's property so that it could be destroyed - so tell her to sort it herself. If you want to deal with it go and see the bloke yourself and admit what she has done. I'd take some big friends with you though.
Imagine the scrote driving his un taxed car down your street when he sees a police car approaching. He quickly decides to turn on to your drive, lock car and walk off rather than chance getting caught, what are you going to do?
Okay - I'm not going to quote anyone as both of you guys have mentioned similar stuff.
If it was me, I'd have maybe tried to find out who's car it was and had a word, and if I couldn't I'd have let it go. I can park my car somewhere else and I'm honestly not that bothered. Life is too short to worry about small things like this.
I don't habitually park on other peoples property. For no other reason than it can annoy people and I like an easy life. I'm lazy enough to not want the aggro, and don't mind walking so will park further away.
My point is... If I did park my car somewhere else and someone took it to get crushed... Well I would not be polite on the phone either. The OP and his mother didn't know why that car didn't move. The person could have been ill, they could have died. They could even have been remanded to prison. I'm coming up with ridiculous scenarios, but none of us know.
With respect to the car being illegal in some way - well I'm pretty sure the Police would have looked into that. And in reality it makes no difference to me if a car has the right paperwork.
Here is what I do know - if I was taken to hospital and came out to find my car had been sold to a scrap man - I'd be looking to cause huge grief with whoever did that. For all you know the poor sod could have been sectioned.
If it was me, I'd have maybe tried to find out who's car it was and had a word, and if I couldn't I'd have let it go. I can park my car somewhere else and I'm honestly not that bothered. Life is too short to worry about small things like this.
I don't habitually park on other peoples property. For no other reason than it can annoy people and I like an easy life. I'm lazy enough to not want the aggro, and don't mind walking so will park further away.
My point is... If I did park my car somewhere else and someone took it to get crushed... Well I would not be polite on the phone either. The OP and his mother didn't know why that car didn't move. The person could have been ill, they could have died. They could even have been remanded to prison. I'm coming up with ridiculous scenarios, but none of us know.
With respect to the car being illegal in some way - well I'm pretty sure the Police would have looked into that. And in reality it makes no difference to me if a car has the right paperwork.
Here is what I do know - if I was taken to hospital and came out to find my car had been sold to a scrap man - I'd be looking to cause huge grief with whoever did that. For all you know the poor sod could have been sectioned.
photosnob said:
If it was me, I'd have maybe tried to find out who's car it was and had a word, and if I couldn't I'd have let it go. I can park my car somewhere else and I'm honestly not that bothered. Life is too short to worry about small things like this.
What if you couldn't park anywhere else? What if someone was paying you for the use of the space, and they didn't want to park somewhere else? It's great you're so relaxed, life must be reasonably low stress for you. 
I agree that arranging to have the car crushed isn't on, as that's not within your legal rights. However, removal to a storage area, or just dragging it onto the street for the council to lift and dispose of, seems entirely fair. The council do have th right to dispose of cars, and it's cheaper than paying for storage yourself.
The person clearly knew they shouldn't have parked there, and clearly had read the notes in order to be able to contact the OP's mother. He assumed that she was bluffing, and has found out she wasn't.
DanL said:
What if you couldn't park anywhere else? What if someone was paying you for the use of the space, and they didn't want to park somewhere else? It's great you're so relaxed, life must be reasonably low stress for you.
I agree that arranging to have the car crushed isn't on, as that's not within your legal rights. However, removal to a storage area, or just dragging it onto the street for the council to lift and dispose of, seems entirely fair. The council do have th right to dispose of cars, and it's cheaper than paying for storage yourself.
The person clearly knew they shouldn't have parked there, and clearly had read the notes in order to be able to contact the OP's mother. He assumed that she was bluffing, and has found out she wasn't.
I've never been in a position where I was unable to park my car elsewhere. I've been in positions where it has been awkward for me to do so, but that's the nature of having a car in somewhere like London. If I was paying to rent a space I'd stop paying if I couldn't park there. Then it would be up to the land owner to stop this happening in a legal way. I agree that arranging to have the car crushed isn't on, as that's not within your legal rights. However, removal to a storage area, or just dragging it onto the street for the council to lift and dispose of, seems entirely fair. The council do have th right to dispose of cars, and it's cheaper than paying for storage yourself.
The person clearly knew they shouldn't have parked there, and clearly had read the notes in order to be able to contact the OP's mother. He assumed that she was bluffing, and has found out she wasn't.
I agree it's not on parking there if it's just a try on. However I've been in enough awkward situations in my life that I realise things can and do happen. A fair few years ago I parked my car to go to a bar to meet someone for a drink. It was legally parked in the evening. However that evening I managed to get stabbed. Long story, I didn't pick up my car in the morning so had a parking ticket from the council. Which they took away when I explained and proved I'd been in hospital. It's a long stretch, but if I'd have been taken to a mental health ward I could have been gone 5 months, let alone 5 weeks. Would I deserve my car to be crushed?
Now I don't like the apparent class snobbery on this website. There seems to be a competition about who can be the most right wing person on the site. If the car had been a new Atom the responses would have been different. If someone has posted that they had taken a baseball bat to someone's head for making too much noise, people would not be willing to encourage them to lie and how to get out of their civil and criminal responsibilities. I don't understand that - I frequent a few sites. This one, a site related to body building and a photography site. All seem to have their own little cultures and rules. It's weird to me. So I'll just say what I want and be a weird outsider.
I blame the police,as they won't do anything if a car is parked on your land! they could easily contact the registered owner,but don't. but if was on the roadside or on council land then they take action, and council slap on 14 day notice and dispose of the car.she did the right thing ,put a notice on it ,then send it to scrap.
the owner was obviously taking advantage of a "free" parking space,as they probably did't want his own car on his drive!
the owner was obviously taking advantage of a "free" parking space,as they probably did't want his own car on his drive!
Turkish91 said:
Photosnob, get a life.
He does, he likes taking photos of bodybuilders, according to his post.photosnob said:
This one, a site related to body building and a photography site. All seem to have their own little cultures and rules. It's weird to me. So I'll just say what I want and be a weird outsider.
Each to their own...photosnob said:
If the car had been a new Atom the responses would have been different.
If the car had been a new Atom the reasonable assumption would not have been that nobody wanted the valueless old shed that had been dumped there.I'd say next time just tow it to somewhere that the council will have to deal with but in this case I suspect that if the owner is faced with a perfectly reasonable £100+ storage and transportation bill, the OPs assumptions will be proven correct and the car will be getting scrapped.
Whilst I sympathise with the Op's mum I also think she acted illegally. Move the car, yes. Sell the car, no.
She MAY be liable for the costs now, which I assume, will probable be £50 if I it is a snotter.
Also, had the car been crushed then the scrappie might also get done.
Worst case is that the type of person who dumps their car like that will be the type who follows through with court proceedings like the they are!
She MAY be liable for the costs now, which I assume, will probable be £50 if I it is a snotter.
Also, had the car been crushed then the scrappie might also get done.
Worst case is that the type of person who dumps their car like that will be the type who follows through with court proceedings like the
they are!photosnob said:
Perhaps what the Police have said and moved the car... Not sold it to a scrap man. I would have no problem with people moving my car if they did so with a bit of consideration. That is fine. Or even just leaving it alone - you know... She might lose out on a bit of income, but going forward she would look into legal ways to stop that happening.
However I draw the line at people selling my property to a scrap man. I also draw the line to people intentionally moving it onto double yellow lines near a junction.
I think it's very very easy for people to say things like this on the internet. If it happened in reality you'd be having bricks coming through the windows. I don't park my car in a private parking spot for months... But neither do I vandalise or steal other people's property if they inconvenience me. If I was to do either of these things I'd expect bad things to happen to me... And I certainly wouldn't be calling the Police or complaining when it did.
Then you would get absolutely nowhere. OP's mum tried the notes and had no luck for 5 weeks, yet as soon as the car moved the selfish tHowever I draw the line at people selling my property to a scrap man. I also draw the line to people intentionally moving it onto double yellow lines near a junction.
I think it's very very easy for people to say things like this on the internet. If it happened in reality you'd be having bricks coming through the windows. I don't park my car in a private parking spot for months... But neither do I vandalise or steal other people's property if they inconvenience me. If I was to do either of these things I'd expect bad things to happen to me... And I certainly wouldn't be calling the Police or complaining when it did.
t called her so had clearly ignored the notes until the st hit the fan.Plenty of notice was given. OP's mum is presumably not a car parking company and shouldn't have to incur further inconvenience/costs in leaving the car where it was or storing it elsewhere (which are your options).
I would have done exactly the same as OP's mum. This scrote is lucky, they can go and collect it from the scrap yard. They won't be putting it back where it was before either, so as far as I can see OP's mum wins.
It will be interesting to see if the Department for Communities and local Government review on parking on private land comes up with a solution to this with the solution being 'give notice' of a week or two then dispose of how you see fit.
Anyone have the definition of the difference between a 'parked' car or 'abandoned' car in the OP's case.
Took the council months to do the same when we had a similar situation near my mum's as the car park was 'housing association' land therefore private even though parking was pretty much an open free for all, notice was eventually attached and car scrapped after about 2 weeks.
Anyone have the definition of the difference between a 'parked' car or 'abandoned' car in the OP's case.
Took the council months to do the same when we had a similar situation near my mum's as the car park was 'housing association' land therefore private even though parking was pretty much an open free for all, notice was eventually attached and car scrapped after about 2 weeks.
Hi all,
Update as promised. My Mum has been texted constantly over the bank holiday by the guy. Amusingly he told my Mum it was unacceptable for her not to reply since his last message 24 hours earlier. It took him 5 weeks and the disappearance of his car to contact us!
The tenant pays £125 per month for the space. The gentleman with the Golf cost them nearly £250.
Anyway, I'm taking over from here and will speak with the guy today. I don't expect him to be quite so abusive to a male. I spoke with the scrap dealer. They have not stripped the car yet. It's a P reg Golf GTi Mk3 in "dubious condition" with around 150k miles. Autotrader suggests it's worth around £300-400 if it's in decent condition.
I'm going to keep it amicable from my side and ask him to carefully explain his situation. I want to understand why the flat tire stopped him from moving the car or contacting us. The irony is my Mum is overly hospitable and would probably have organised someone to help him get it to Kwik-Fit I expect. I want to understand why he presumably did not have a jack or a spare. Once I'm satisfied here I'd like to understand why the car was untaxed and for a long period before it turned up in the space. When was he planning to tax it? What was his reasoning.
It will be fairly straightforward to ascertain if he is lying. And if so, he will get no help from my side. If he tells the truth, and I will give him ample chance. Then I will help him out.
So we will see.
Update as promised. My Mum has been texted constantly over the bank holiday by the guy. Amusingly he told my Mum it was unacceptable for her not to reply since his last message 24 hours earlier. It took him 5 weeks and the disappearance of his car to contact us!
The tenant pays £125 per month for the space. The gentleman with the Golf cost them nearly £250.
Anyway, I'm taking over from here and will speak with the guy today. I don't expect him to be quite so abusive to a male. I spoke with the scrap dealer. They have not stripped the car yet. It's a P reg Golf GTi Mk3 in "dubious condition" with around 150k miles. Autotrader suggests it's worth around £300-400 if it's in decent condition.
I'm going to keep it amicable from my side and ask him to carefully explain his situation. I want to understand why the flat tire stopped him from moving the car or contacting us. The irony is my Mum is overly hospitable and would probably have organised someone to help him get it to Kwik-Fit I expect. I want to understand why he presumably did not have a jack or a spare. Once I'm satisfied here I'd like to understand why the car was untaxed and for a long period before it turned up in the space. When was he planning to tax it? What was his reasoning.
It will be fairly straightforward to ascertain if he is lying. And if so, he will get no help from my side. If he tells the truth, and I will give him ample chance. Then I will help him out.
So we will see.
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