Police RTC....motorcycle pursuit....
Discussion
Streetcop said:
Might be getting threads confused. Someone suggested your internal investigations team should be got rid of. Suggest the same with ACPO.
The 'internal affairs' or Professional Standards Departments NEED to exist to give the public confidence and ensure that the 'bad apples' are dealt with.
However, the PSDs seem more interested in looking for officers who have submitted reports late, or have left their patrol cars unlocked in the car park, or who have applied handcuffs too tight..rather than really tackling anything serious..(if there is in fact anything serious to tackle)
I despair. Is there no sanity ?
Cops, being human, will sometimes do stupid things and balls up.
Late report, raise eyebrows, sequence of them, bollocking off Sarge "get your finger out".
Is this too complex ? Am I too naive ?
Of course, there are occasionally serious things to tackle, but there's just going to be a trickle of these.
I suppose it's the statistical PR thing again. "We successfully investigated 140 officers for irregularities" sounds so much better than "We investigated 5 officers. 4 of them had no result, but the other one was really important".
Absolutely..then the publish them on the internal General Orders every 2 weeks, like:
An officer from A district has been fined 3 days pay for the late investigation of criminal damage.
An officer from Q district has been fined 2 days pay for failing to keep proper records of an investigation.
An officer from K district has been entered in the discipline book for not reporting damage to a police radio
etc etc..
However, when someone is found not guilty of a charge..those results are never published..
An officer from A district has been fined 3 days pay for the late investigation of criminal damage.
An officer from Q district has been fined 2 days pay for failing to keep proper records of an investigation.
An officer from K district has been entered in the discipline book for not reporting damage to a police radio
etc etc..
However, when someone is found not guilty of a charge..those results are never published..
Streetcop said:
Might be getting threads confused. Someone suggested your internal investigations team should be got rid of. Suggest the same with ACPO.
The 'internal affairs' or Professional Standards Departments NEED to exist to give the public confidence and ensure that the 'bad apples' are dealt with.
However, the PSDs seem more interested in looking for officers who have submitted reports late, or have left their patrol cars unlocked in the car park, or who have applied handcuffs too tight..rather than really tackling anything serious..(if there is in fact anything serious to tackle)
Is this unfortunatley not the nature of the beast? If you ask a clerk to go find a bent copper they are gonna come back all smiles with examples of diabolical clerical errors and serious infringements of procedure. Surely what is needed is to employ some ex criminals like fraudsters to be on the look out for cops on the take. I mean does anybody care if somebody has handcuffs too tight or they have few bruises too many?
The professional standards depts are made up of detectives above the rank of Sergeant...ie: DI, DCI etc etc...
They are seasoned vets (not animal doctors, I hasten to add)..who have seen it all and in most cases 'done it all'.....especially the stuff they now investigate..
It would be funny if careers and pensions weren't on the line...
They are seasoned vets (not animal doctors, I hasten to add)..who have seen it all and in most cases 'done it all'.....especially the stuff they now investigate..
It would be funny if careers and pensions weren't on the line...
Streetcop said:
The professional standards depts are made up of detectives above the rank of Sergeant...ie: DI, DCI etc etc...
They are seasoned vets (not animal doctors, I hasten to add)..who have seen it all and in most cases 'done it all'.....especially the stuff they now investigate..
It would be funny if careers and pensions weren't on the line...
I think your fines are incredibly pathetic - who gives a damn about *that* lot.
Surely (obviously not !) there's some common sense to be applied here.
This would suggest that there are large numbers of senior officers with no sense at all.
All this kind of approach will do is hack off massively the poor BiB doing the job.
Streetcop said:
autismuk said:
I think your fines are incredibly pathetic - who gives a damn about *that* lot.
Presume you're pulling my leg?
£120 fine for not submitting a report..
No, I meant the whole system of fining people for such trivia is pathetic, not the fines, which are fairly steep.
Is this indiscriminate ?
>> Edited by autismuk on Sunday 6th February 18:43
Streetcop said:
Is this indiscriminate ?
Not sure what you mean in this context...but if the dept gets wind of something 'improper' they WILL investigate..
Public money is beings spent in abudnance on these sort of investigations..
I meant, is it sane ? "Failing to keep proper records" could be anything from not filling in a form completely to keeping no records at all ; do they apply any common sense to it ?
Having said that, unless these things seriously impact on an investigation it strikes me that they belong in the "ticking off" category (and possibly pay for damage to the radio, depending on the circs.)
busa_rush said:
It would be funny if careers and pensions weren't on the line...
Welcome to the real world. Why should plod be any different from the rest of us ?
I think plod know more about the 'real world' than any profession..don't you?
As for being different to the rest? Perhaps they should? After all..the public rely on the police...if the police don't police...who've you got?
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