Fake camera causes fatality?

['King Deadly]

http://tinyurl.com/wn5j

Why are they bothering to investigate whether a fake camera caused the fatality.

It doesn't bother them that all their real ones are doing the same thing.

[nel]

You notice this bit?

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Roger Vincent of the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents said: "We must await the outcome of the police investigation.

"But as a general rule we would not advise people to put up fake speed cameras as they may have the potential to distract drivers."
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And by implication, real cameras do what exactly?!?!?

Obviously this was then followed by:

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The Hampshire Safety Camera Partnership aims to cut the number of people killed or injured on the county's roads.

A spokesman said: "Generally we wouldn't recommend people to put up signs or artificial cameras, but if people can't drive without being distracted by roadside objects they shouldn't be behind the wheel.
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I reckon Roger Vincent hit the nail on the head, but we'll never win this battle anyway.

[BliarOut]

If fake cameras can cause crashes, so can real ones.... You only have to look at the black marks to see that

[supraman2954]

BliarOut said:

If fake cameras can cause crashes, so can real ones.... You only have to look at the black marks to see that

assumong you aren't dazzled by the flash

[DeltaFox]

If this IS attributable to their fake scamera then i hope the full weight of the law is applied to these do gooding bastards!!!

[cortinaman]

personally i'd blame the fake camera....how many people do you know who have used the 'a ****** ran out infront of me" excuse?....for instance my mates bird used this excuse when she half-killed his dolomite cos she didnt want to admit that she was giving it large and lost control.

the thing that got to me was what the demented wifey said

dumbitch said:

"weve wanted a speed camera for years and an officer attending said that we'll probably get one now"

talk about having no care for the poor girl who died in the crash or no care as to the accident possibly being their total fault through being total wits....just simply concerned for her own 'priorities'......heartless bastard twat!

i hope that if the camera was actually the cause then not only does the law shit on them from an extremely great hight but also the cop who's daughter died (or his mates) suddenly find some evidence of international crack dealing/child prostitution or whatever by the numpty twats and royally s them over and over and over again until their shitters resemble elephant-fingered hippopotumus' arsehole!.

>> Edited by cortinaman on Monday 7th February 04:23

[funkihamsta]

As already quoted:
A spokesman said: "Generally we wouldn't recommend people to put up signs or artificial cameras, but if people can't drive without being distracted by roadside objects they shouldn't be behind the wheel.

Oh what, you mean like pedestrians about to step out into the road, roadsigns (yes including speed limits!), pelican crossings, traffic lights, parked cars, cyclists on the pavement, cars emerging from driveways, tractors from fields..the list goes on.

Just ignore them, its the safety cam way!

[beaconbouy]

Can't really blame the couple, fing *wats doing 70 in a 40, thats just f***ed up.

[cortinaman]

so,because some have (aparently)been doing 70 in the 40 limit that gave these people the right to put a fake scumera up to 'deter' the speeders.....surely its not their place to do this and IF it were true surely the scamera pratnership,trafpol or local plod would know about it and would have already been targeting the road.

its also not their place to become judge,jury and exocutioner when the limit is broken by a silly amount....thats what the trafpol are for

also does anyone know if it was always 40 or is it a re-limited n.s.l?

afaik they put the scumera up willingly and knew what they were doing...so if it does come out that the box caused the accident they should be charged.....regardless of the supposed 'speeders' that aparently have used the road.


>> Edited by cortinaman on Monday 7th February 05:28

[safespeed]

This has been discussed in the Safe Speed forums:
www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=14

Here's my view:

The Police are between a rock and a hard place aren't they?

If they agree that the camera may have contributed to the crash then they are admitting to a risk at all camera sites.

If they deny that the camera contributed to the crash then their inaction might contribute to another crash.

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I think a few letters to the Chief Constable urging him to get the fake camera removed "as a precaution" would be an excellent idea.

Chief Constable Paul Kernaghan
Hampshire Constabulary Headquarters,
West Hill,
Winchester,
Hampshire,
SO22 5DB.

[gh0st]

beaconbouy said:

Can't really blame the couple, fing *wats doing 70 in a 40, thats just f***ed up.

RESIDENTS say that they are doing up to 70MPH...

When I used to manage a pizza company in Reading we used to get people phoning up complaining that our mopeds were speeding up and down the roads in excess of 60-70MPH...

...They were Honda City Express's that could probably, with a very lightweight rider, with the wind behind them, downhill in the best possible conditions do 27MPH

Residents are no good judge because they will exaggerate to get their point across. Fair enough maybe people are exceeding the speed limit or driving like cocks but you have got to take into the stupid moral highgroundness of the averige residential numpty

[JMGS4]

Just me being cynical??? But it was the daughter of a BiB who got killed, is THAT why there is such a stiff investigation.....???? I hope not.......

[Streetcop]

JMGS4 said:

Just me being cynical??? But it was the daughter of a BiB who got killed, is THAT why there is such a stiff investigation.....???? I hope not.......

I was just thinking to myself....how pleased I was that nobody had brought that into the discussion..

I obviously thought too quick..

[ratpit]

Whilst I have every sympathy with the relatives and friends of the deceased and injured could we all just stop and think for a moment.
There is much talk about the contribution of the fake camera, speeds on this road etc. but there is one thing that caused this accident.

The single biggest factor involved here??? Driver error. "Swerved to avoid rabbit" Sadly with tragic results.

Even if the reason was. "Panic braking on spotting (fake) camera" Same cause, driver error.

Lets not all fall into the scamera pratnerships over simplification of causes. "Speed kills", "Camera causes accident" No, sorry if it offends anyone, but it was loss of control folowing an error of judgement.
I do dissaprove of the fake camera and repeat I do feel for the victims friends and family but we have to be objective here. How many of us have made errors and got away with it??? I know I have only, I was lucky enough to get away with nothing more than a fright and a valuable lesson.

[Streetcop]

Top post ratpit..

[telecat]

West Yorks Scamera's put one up on the A65 that FACED oncoming traffic. After pointing this out to them and being told "not to be so silly, all our cameras are placed in accident zones and are placed safely", guess what? Yep it has disappeared.

[nel]

safespeed said:

Here's my view: The Police are between a rock and a hard place aren't they? If they agree that the camera may have contributed to the crash then they are admitting to a risk at all camera sites. If they deny that the camera contributed to the crash then their inaction might contribute to another crash.

Very true - ergo it will be found that the fake camera had nothing to do with the accident because otherwise they endanger the whole revenue raising scheme.

Given this conclusion and providing that it's on private property, I don't see on what legal basis the cops can stop people putting yellow boxes on poles in their garden.

[kenp]

gh0st said:

RESIDENTS say that they are doing up to 70MPH... When I used to manage a pizza company in Reading we used to get people phoning up complaining that our mopeds were speeding up and down the roads in excess of 60-70MPH... ...They were Honda City Express's that could probably, with a very lightweight rider, with the wind behind them, downhill in the best possible conditions do 27MPH Residents are no good judge because they will exaggerate to get their point across. Fair enough maybe people are exceeding the speed limit or driving like cocks but you have got to take into the stupid moral highgroundness of the averige residential numpty

Clearly a case of fake cameras to deter fake speed.

[catso]

gh0st said:

When I used to manage a pizza company in Reading we used to get people phoning up complaining that our mopeds were speeding up and down the roads in excess of 60-70MPH... ...They were Honda City Express's that could probably, with a very lightweight rider, with the wind behind them, downhill in the best possible conditions do 27MPH Residents are no good judge because they will exaggerate to get their point across. Fair enough maybe people are exceeding the speed limit or driving like cocks but you have got to take into the stupid moral highgroundness of the averige residential numpty

Indeed our local paper published a letter a year or so ago from 'Numpty of Numptyville' complaining about the speed of traffic through his village, which is on an NSL 'A' Road. He went on to say that a Motorcycle doing 'at least 120mph ran into the back of his car and that, although no-one was hurt things could have been very different'

But to get back on Topic, if the authorities believe that a fake Scamera caused a crash, then obviously real ones do also and if it costs just one life....

'Safety' cameras, my Arse.

[IanReid]

'King Deadly said:

http://tinyurl.com/wn5j Why are they bothering to investigate whether a fake camera caused the fatality. It doesn't bother them that all their real ones are doing the same thing.

What we're all missing of course is not whether the fake camera caused the accident or not, the fact is it didn't stop it, which is supposedly the whole point of the bloody things.

For all we know the local yoofs may have taken to hooning past it, once it had been discovered it wasn't real, just to show their contempt.