Zenith Collections - Intention to Commence Legal....
Discussion
I'm a huge motoring enthusiast Red, I clearly just don't get as excited as you do about the rules and regulations of parking my hobby!
I've followed the advice given on Pepipoo so we'll see what happens.
Worst case I lose £120 and fold to the "pressure" like all the other morons that keep these Cowboys in business. Being a typical PH'er though I am of course a powerfully built director with millions in the bank, earned by my thrifty ways shopping in Asda and such like so I'm sure I'll be fine.
I've followed the advice given on Pepipoo so we'll see what happens.
Worst case I lose £120 and fold to the "pressure" like all the other morons that keep these Cowboys in business. Being a typical PH'er though I am of course a powerfully built director with millions in the bank, earned by my thrifty ways shopping in Asda and such like so I'm sure I'll be fine.
Maty said:
I'm a huge motoring enthusiast Red, I clearly just don't get as excited as you do about the rules and regulations of parking my hobby!
I've followed the advice given on Pepipoo so we'll see what happens.
Worst case I lose £120 and fold to the "pressure" like all the other morons that keep these Cowboys in business. Being a typical PH'er though I am of course a powerfully built director with millions in the bank, earned by my thrifty ways shopping in Asda and such like so I'm sure I'll be fine.
You don't send the butler to Asda?I've followed the advice given on Pepipoo so we'll see what happens.
Worst case I lose £120 and fold to the "pressure" like all the other morons that keep these Cowboys in business. Being a typical PH'er though I am of course a powerfully built director with millions in the bank, earned by my thrifty ways shopping in Asda and such like so I'm sure I'll be fine.
Maty said:
I'm a huge motoring enthusiast Red, I clearly just don't get as excited as you do about the rules and regulations of parking my hobby!
I've followed the advice given on Pepipoo so we'll see what happens.
Worst case I lose £120 and fold to the "pressure" like all the other morons that keep these Cowboys in business. Being a typical PH'er though I am of course a powerfully built director with millions in the bank, earned by my thrifty ways shopping in Asda and such like so I'm sure I'll be fine.
Only going to get worst since the bevis judgement. I have spotted visiting some supermarkets with anpr which in opinion should of remained a government tool.I've followed the advice given on Pepipoo so we'll see what happens.
Worst case I lose £120 and fold to the "pressure" like all the other morons that keep these Cowboys in business. Being a typical PH'er though I am of course a powerfully built director with millions in the bank, earned by my thrifty ways shopping in Asda and such like so I'm sure I'll be fine.
Maty said:
I'm a huge motoring enthusiast Red, I clearly just don't get as excited as you do about the rules and regulations of parking my hobby!
Excited? No, I just make sure I'm clued-up enough so that I don't fall foul of those who have swapped their clampers' overalls for designer suits and swanky new offices. Knowledge is power.I have never been clamped, nor had to pay a PPC invoice. I play by the rules and I expect a PPC to do likewise. Unfortunately, bending them is something that many of them are not ashamed of doing.
Red Devil said:
Excited? No, I just make sure I'm clued-up enough so that I don't fall foul of those who have swapped their clampers' overalls for designer suits and swanky new offices. Knowledge is power.
I have never been clamped, nor had to pay a PPC invoice. I play by the rules and I expect a PPC to do likewise. Unfortunately, bending them is something that many of them are not ashamed of doing.
Smart Arse the op has played by the rules, it's a case of two trips to the local asda and the anpr either in error or on purpose has been onsite the duration.I have never been clamped, nor had to pay a PPC invoice. I play by the rules and I expect a PPC to do likewise. Unfortunately, bending them is something that many of them are not ashamed of doing.
You say you expect ppc to behave likewise well just like clamping there are Cowboys. Have seen this type of thing before and even mentioned a biker who got a ticket with photos of a car,stating your Kawasaki which a pic of a fiesta.
What gets me is if your tired get of motorway and take a break then you find anpr and 1/2hr time limits at the services so you can't even go to sleep and wake up when you want you have to set an alarm.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Sunday 3rd January 08:35
surveyor_101 said:
What gets me is if your tired get of motorway and take a break then you find anpr and 1/2hr time limits at the services so you can't even go to sleep and wake up when you want you have to set an alarm.
Please state one motorway service area where parking is limited to 30 mins.Edited by surveyor_101 on Sunday 3rd January 08:35
supertouring said:
I'd be wanting more info on how their APNR system works. Does it understand multiple visits or does it just take "first" and "last" hits for a given day to process the ticket? Is it fully auto or is there manual/human intervention?
Chatting to a work college who got an invoice / ticket for a similar thing, (but successfully argued it, and refunded) it seems like some of the software / database design they use is poorly written and can not comprehend multiple visits, it simply checks the number plate on exit does a simple look up to see if an entry for that day exist for that number plate and then enters an exit time. The balance between the number of people caught out by this and arguing the cost, to amending the database design to accommodate multiple visits, who knows ?
Some of the systems do work well and can differentiate multiple visits fine.
I guess if the OP had contacted the Asda / who over does their parking and spoke to a human a little sooner they would have looked at it. Together with the receipts and seen the obvious. I do fear the time delay will not have helped this situation.
surveyor_101 said:
Smart Arse the op has played by the rules, it's a case of two trips to the local asda and the anpr either in error or on purpose has been onsite the duration.
Did the PRIVATE car park have it's own no return with xx hours rule? Therefore 'double dipping' didn't apply.PurpleMoonlight said:
surveyor_101 said:
What gets me is if your tired get of motorway and take a break then you find anpr and 1/2hr time limits at the services so you can't even go to sleep and wake up when you want you have to set an alarm.
Please state one motorway service area where parking is limited to 30 mins.
speedyguy said:
So asda don't want you returning to the store or fuel station for the rest of the day.?
speedyguy said:
I don't know their terms, That is the terms on some car parks.
Probably varies by attractiveness of location near to stations, hospitals, town centres etc,etc
I think they are no more than 2 hours parking.Probably varies by attractiveness of location near to stations, hospitals, town centres etc,etc
My understanding is the op is being accused of being onsite from lunch when he visited for fuel and the evening when his wife returned for shopping, the op did not Breach the terms by exceeding by staying onsite for more than two hours the anpr is wrong and or could be a cause of fraud where the records have been changed by the ppc so they can try and extort money from the op.
surveyor_101 said:
Red Devil said:
Excited? No, I just make sure I'm clued-up enough so that I don't fall foul of those who have swapped their clampers' overalls for designer suits and swanky new offices. Knowledge is power.
I have never been clamped, nor had to pay a PPC invoice. I play by the rules and I expect a PPC to do likewise. Unfortunately, bending them is something that many of them are not ashamed of doing.
Smart Arse the op has played by the rules, it's a case of two trips to the local asda and the anpr either in error or on purpose has been onsite the duration.I have never been clamped, nor had to pay a PPC invoice. I play by the rules and I expect a PPC to do likewise. Unfortunately, bending them is something that many of them are not ashamed of doing.
You say you expect ppc to behave likewise well just like clamping there are Cowboys. Have seen this type of thing before and even mentioned a biker who got a ticket with photos of a car,stating your Kawasaki which a pic of a fiesta.
What gets me is if your tired get of motorway and take a break then you find anpr and 1/2hr time limits at the services so you can't even go to sleep and wake up when you want you have to set an alarm.
I know of no motorway services which has a 30 minute time limit. Evidence please. I very much doubt you will be able to provide it because MSAs are regulated by the Government (DoT) and the licensed operator has obligations to provide certain universal free services. One of which is free parking for 2hrs (after which period charges may be made*).
* Quelle surprise. All the ones I know of do exactly that.
I remember the days of innocent until proven guilty. It should not be for the OP to have to prove his car's innocence, the parking company should have to prove his guilt. Having stated the circumstances (genuine according to the OP), it should be for the parking company to show why he is guilty. If his circumstances are frequently used by long stay parkers to circumvent the system then the parking company should improve its system to rule out that defence.
The thing that gets me about these double dip cases is the ANPR system would have to miss both the first exit and the second entry. Seems rather implausible....
Surely the second time you enter - the system should recognise that a car with the same registration is already logged on the system and cancel the first entry time......unless the system has been set up to ignore the second entry.
Surely the second time you enter - the system should recognise that a car with the same registration is already logged on the system and cancel the first entry time......unless the system has been set up to ignore the second entry.
Moonhawk said:
The thing that gets me about these double dip cases is the ANPR system would have to miss both the first exit and the second entry. Seems rather implausible....
Surely the second time you enter - the system should recognise that a car with the same registration is already logged on the system and cancel the first entry time......unless the system has been set up to ignore the second entry.
You would think so.... if the system/software was that sophisticated, apparently it isn't!Surely the second time you enter - the system should recognise that a car with the same registration is already logged on the system and cancel the first entry time......unless the system has been set up to ignore the second entry.
I'm not the only one it would seem:
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=9926...
Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff