Cannot get insured anymore due to a non-fault accident.

Cannot get insured anymore due to a non-fault accident.

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WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Mandat said:
popeyewhite said:
Soov535 said:
Of course it's legal - no one is obliged to insure you.
But you are legally obliged to be insured. And taken advantage of, it seems.
No one is legally obliged to drive a car.
This is a car site, HTH.

EdEd

Original Poster:

97 posts

130 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Marvtec said:
What are the realistic ramifications if OP doesn't declare the non-fault claim? I assume if the insurer found out about it at a later date they would claim for the difference in premium? Would they be likely to find out given the claim is not in his name?
Not that I'm advising that, of course.
Thanks for the suggestions people.

They scan through a database and it details everything, found that out the first time over the phone..

kiethton

13,896 posts

180 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Had this myself, got hit twice in 6 months (both non-fault) in my E92 335i BMW.

I was 21/22 at the time and paying £820pa, after the two above accidents the premium went to £2.4k, I sold the car....nothing else I could do!

shep1001

4,600 posts

189 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Marvtec said:
What are the realistic ramifications if OP doesn't declare the non-fault claim? I assume if the insurer found out about it at a later date they would claim for the difference in premium? Would they be likely to find out given the claim is not in his name?
Not that I'm advising that, of course.
Potentially or the could void the policy & only pay their 3rd party liability. So you could end up with no payout & having to declare you have had insurance cancelled.

xxChrisxx

538 posts

121 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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OP I heard from a friend that stamping your feet really hard can lower your insurance risk.

You should give it a go.

Durzel

12,272 posts

168 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Don't mention PH if you speak to Flux, otherwise they'll "pre discount" the quote they give you. hehe

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Marvtec said:
I assume if the insurer found out about it at a later date they would claim for the difference in premium?
Voided policy.

Chrisgr31

13,483 posts

255 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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I read somewhere that the reason insurance premiumtax was going up was because premiums were coming down due to reduction in payouts for dodgy medical claims.

zeroz

3 posts

143 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Exact same happened to a family member of mine. Young driver, golf r, not at fault accident followed by a hefty insurance increase at renewal time. Sounds like you're doing all you can.. research around, comparison websites, contact those not on the comparison sites and hopefully you'll find a deal you find reasonable, if not there may only be one other option!

Vaud

50,535 posts

155 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Mandat said:
popeyewhite said:
Soov535 said:
Of course it's legal - no one is obliged to insure you.
But you are legally obliged to be insured. And taken advantage of, it seems.
No one is legally obliged to drive a car.
Quite. Driving is not a right.

surveyor

17,831 posts

184 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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funkyrobot said:
I know it's the way it is, but I have never understood this logic. Yes, maybe a fault claim could result in another. However, a non-fault? Odd.

I have had one non-fault claim. I was parked waiting at a junction. Someone drove into the side of my car as it was snowing and they didn't understand simple physics. They were also a banned drink driver at the time. The car was insured though.

According to the statistics, I am a higher risk driver.
Logic says you travel in an area where someone might drive into you again.

Another example. I was coming to to a queue at traffic lights on a dual carriageway. Queue on Lane 2 shorter so that's where I would normally be. However the car at the front had reversing lights on. I went Lane 1. A woman in a newer golf went Lane 2 and sat behind the reversing lights. As it happens car went forward so no issue. But if it had been in reverse, it would have been a non-fault crash for the golf. But the Golf had every chance of avoiding a collision by reading the road ahead..... Higher risk driver? you decide.

Derek Smith

45,666 posts

248 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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To an extent, males between the ages of 35 and 60 subsidise males under the age of 25. Told to me by a chap in a major insurance company when I was researching an article on whether women drivers had fewer accidents than males.

I pointed out that this was unfair - I was in the higher age group - and he pointed out that he didn't care.


Chrisgr31

13,483 posts

255 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Derek Smith said:
To an extent, males between the ages of 35 and 60 subsidise males under the age of 25. Told to me by a chap in a major insurance company when I was researching an article on whether women drivers had fewer accidents than males.

I pointed out that this was unfair - I was in the higher age group - and he pointed out that he didn't care.
Hasnt it been ruled that its sex discrimination to have differeent rates for men and women therefore women are subsidising men!

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Chrisgr31 said:
I read somewhere that the reason insurance premiumtax was going up was because premiums were coming down due to reduction in payouts for dodgy medical claims.
No, it's going up from 6% to 9.5% because the government spend a shedload more each year than they get in. You might have heard something about that.

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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surveyor said:
Logic says you travel in an area where someone might drive into you again.

Another example. I was coming to to a queue at traffic lights on a dual carriageway. Queue on Lane 2 shorter so that's where I would normally be. However the car at the front had reversing lights on. I went Lane 1. A woman in a newer golf went Lane 2 and sat behind the reversing lights. As it happens car went forward so no issue. But if it had been in reverse, it would have been a non-fault crash for the golf. But the Golf had every chance of avoiding a collision by reading the road ahead..... Higher risk driver? you decide.
After the accident, I hardly ever used that road again. I haven't been down there for years and years.

For 'x' amount of time after the accident, and despite not using that road anymore, I was penalised. Their logic failed. smile

Impasse

15,099 posts

241 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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OP, it might be worth contacting your current insurers to confirm that they have actually been paid by the Third Party in relation to the crash.

popeyewhite

19,910 posts

120 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Vaud said:
Mandat said:
popeyewhite said:
Soov535 said:
Of course it's legal - no one is obliged to insure you.
But you are legally obliged to be insured. And taken advantage of, it seems.
No one is legally obliged to drive a car.
Quite. Driving is not a right.
It's acceptable to be ripped off because you want to drive and are legally obliged to have insurance? Right.

Vaud

50,535 posts

155 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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popeyewhite said:
It's acceptable to be ripped off because you want to drive and are legally obliged to have insurance? Right.
1 ) There is no rip off. It's a very buoyant market with lots of supply and very competitive. The OP has been unfortunate to have been in an accident, but he is now in a category of risk that is now reflected in his insurance premium.

2 ) No-one is forcing him to drive an S3 with 1 years experience. Whilst I think it's great, he still has the ability to drive and can get a less powerful car with more affordable premiums.

3 ) Sometimes stuff just happens and life deals you a set back. It's not the fault of the insurer, or necessarily the OP.

MitchT

15,871 posts

209 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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Could an accident management company help here?

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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Vaud said:
popeyewhite said:
It's acceptable to be ripped off because you want to drive and are legally obliged to have insurance? Right.
1 ) There is no rip off. It's a very buoyant market with lots of supply and very competitive. The OP has been unfortunate to have been in an accident, but he is now in a category of risk that is now reflected in his insurance premium.

2 ) No-one is forcing him to drive an S3 with 1 years experience. Whilst I think it's great, he still has the ability to drive and can get a less powerful car with more affordable premiums.

3 ) Sometimes stuff just happens and life deals you a set back. It's not the fault of the insurer, or necessarily the OP.
In *this* case it IS the fault of the insurer's client. Would you be willing to shrug off not driving for a year because someone else screwed up?

The purpose of insurance is to put the innocent party back in the same position they would have been had the collision not occurred.