Police Officer Smashes Windscreen
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I assume the 'bladed article' wasn't police issue then.
If the police were armed Savage could have shot Mr Fontana?
That would've been slightly unfortunate in that Mr Fontana isn't TJ Dickson?
And the police would have paid out compensation for shooting the wrong guy anyway so that would've been OK.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5983899/Po...
If the police were armed Savage could have shot Mr Fontana?
That would've been slightly unfortunate in that Mr Fontana isn't TJ Dickson?
And the police would have paid out compensation for shooting the wrong guy anyway so that would've been OK.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5983899/Po...
carinaman said:
If the police were armed Savage could have shot Mr Fontana?
Could have stabbed him in the throat. Or run them over with their car. Perhaps use their boots to kick him to death. Really helpful speculation there...
Does this topic bump make you feel better about you latest anti-police wibble topic getting pulled apart?
La Liga said:
Could have stabbed him in the throat. Or run them over with their car. Perhaps use their boots to kick him to death.
Really helpful speculation there...
Does this topic bump make you feel better about you latest anti-police wibble topic getting pulled apart?
Really helpful speculation there...
Does this topic bump make you feel better about you latest anti-police wibble topic getting pulled apart?
La Liga said:
Does this topic bump make you feel better about you latest anti-police wibble topic getting pulled apart?
It's not my fault that PC Savage could be a Poster Boy for good reasons not to issue all police officers with guns.If firearm officers have some sort of psychiatric tests to check their suitability for being firearms officers could such a test be used on all police applicants to weed out officers like PC Savage?
I'd rather be a Wibbler than some out of control, temper tantrum throwing Cop like PC Savage, so your personal insult doesn't bother me at all.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 24th July 11:46
carinaman said:
It's not my fault that PC Savage could be a Poster Boy for good reasons not to issue all police officers with guns.
If firearm officers have some sort of psychiatric tests to check their suitability for being firearms officers could such a test be used on all police applicants to weed out officers like PC Savage?
I'd rather be a Wibbler than some out of control, temper tantrum throwing Cop like PC Savage, so your personal insult doesn't bother me at all.
What has he got to do with firearms? If firearm officers have some sort of psychiatric tests to check their suitability for being firearms officers could such a test be used on all police applicants to weed out officers like PC Savage?
I'd rather be a Wibbler than some out of control, temper tantrum throwing Cop like PC Savage, so your personal insult doesn't bother me at all.
You really do go off on incoherent tangents.
Yes, let's perform evaluations as in-depth as potential firearms officers go through. That'll really be worth the cost / benefit, especially when the police are so flush with cash.
Do you ever think about things before you write them? I guess when you piggy-back off media articles without having to form any argument yourself it doesn't require it.
La Liga said:
hat has he got to do with firearms?
You really do go off on incoherent tangents.
Yes, let's perform evaluations as in-depth as potential firearms officers go through. That'll really be worth the cost / benefit, especially when the police are so flush with cash.
Do you ever think about things before you write them? I guess when you piggy-back off media articles without having to form any argument yourself it doesn't require it.
Could equally say the same thing about soldiers with PTSD and loaded weapons. You really do go off on incoherent tangents.
Yes, let's perform evaluations as in-depth as potential firearms officers go through. That'll really be worth the cost / benefit, especially when the police are so flush with cash.
Do you ever think about things before you write them? I guess when you piggy-back off media articles without having to form any argument yourself it doesn't require it.
Red 4 said:
It doesn't look like a lock knife to me.
Can someone elaborate on the charge relating to the knife ?
He feared for his life so spent a few mins trying to smash Fontana’s screen in - on a car he couldn’t apparently see into, but which he believed caused him grave danger.
La Liga said:
hat has he got to do with firearms?
You really do go off on incoherent tangents.
Yes, let's perform evaluations as in-depth as potential firearms officers go through. That'll really be worth the cost / benefit, especially when the police are so flush with cash.
Do you ever think about things before you write them? I guess when you piggy-back off media articles without having to form any argument yourself it doesn't require it.
Is it a tangent?You really do go off on incoherent tangents.
Yes, let's perform evaluations as in-depth as potential firearms officers go through. That'll really be worth the cost / benefit, especially when the police are so flush with cash.
Do you ever think about things before you write them? I guess when you piggy-back off media articles without having to form any argument yourself it doesn't require it.
Because PC Savage couldn't get his own way he took out his own knife and started hacking at the windscreen like he was some coke fuelled Actor playing a Fireman in a scene from Casuality?
It seems to me PC Savage obviously made a serious error of judgment and was having a meltdown. He escalated himself into a hissy fit.
There's been much in the Press and on Social Media about arming more or all police officers. Police stalls at events in Market and Town squares where police have had their armoury laid on table tops for the public to see and talk about. The terrorist threat and reduced police numbers means we need more armed police especially in rural areas where the police presence barely exists etc. It could seem a move to nudge the public towards accepting the police being routinely armed.
PC Savage pulled his knife that he wasn't issued with. PC Savage seems out of control and exhibiting flawed decision making.
What's to say that if PC Savage had a gun he wouldn't have used it?
PC Savage thought Fontana was known offender Dickson? If PC Savage had been armed would his conduct in the video, and the 'I was in fear of my life' line indicate that he may have decided to use the gun?
So looking at Policies and Powers at 05.00/17.00 and Identify Options and Contingencies at 07.00/19.00 where does pulling out your own personal knife and hacking at the windscreen fit in?
We're now three quarters of the way into the Take Action and Review What Happened at 10.00/22.00?
What happened has been recorded, just as Body Worn Video that the police use to record stuff, and been put on the Internet for public scrutiny and press fodder.
If PC Savage had used the NDMM could he have saved himself and the police from embarrassment?
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 24th July 12:43
carinaman said:
'What can happen if I take my personally held knife out on duty with me?'
If he didn't have that knife on him it wouldn't have happened.
Like a Swiss Army Knife it can be useful in lots of situations that are unrelated to policing.
Why have you posted the NDMM twice? What does it prove?If he didn't have that knife on him it wouldn't have happened.
Like a Swiss Army Knife it can be useful in lots of situations that are unrelated to policing.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 24th July 12:27
pavarotti1980 said:
Why have you posted the NDMM twice? What does it prove?
The accompanying text that I typed is different? I asked different questions using the same NDMM in slightly different forms?
I like the colours?
If you look at the second one with the pretty colours there's the 'Working Together Saving Lives Reducing Harm' in the centre.
Isn't the knife law that PC Savage has fallen foul of related to the 'Saving Lives Reducing Harm' bit in the centre of that NDMM?
Isn't that why Drill music has been banned with Internet companies taking down Drill music videos?
So PC Savage in carrying that bladed article has broken a law that was meant to Save Lives and Reduce Harm that's in the middle of that NDMM.
carinaman said:
The accompanying text that I typed is different?
I asked different questions using the same NDMM in slightly different forms?
I like the colours?
If you look at the second one with the pretty colours there's the 'Working Together Saving Lives Reducing Harm' in the centre.
Isn't the knife law that PC Savage has fallen foul of related to the 'Saving Lives Reducing Harm' bit in the centre of that NDMM?
Isn't that why Drill music has been banned with Internet companies taking down Drill music videos?
So PC Savage in carrying that bladed article has broken a law that was meant to Save Lives and Reduce Harm that's in the middle of that NDMM.
Its just gimmicky bu11sI asked different questions using the same NDMM in slightly different forms?
I like the colours?
If you look at the second one with the pretty colours there's the 'Working Together Saving Lives Reducing Harm' in the centre.
Isn't the knife law that PC Savage has fallen foul of related to the 'Saving Lives Reducing Harm' bit in the centre of that NDMM?
Isn't that why Drill music has been banned with Internet companies taking down Drill music videos?
So PC Savage in carrying that bladed article has broken a law that was meant to Save Lives and Reduce Harm that's in the middle of that NDMM.
t. 
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Tuesday 24th July 12:56
carinaman said:
Don't dis the NDMM. I love it.
Your graphic has a pertinent message about staying calm and not losing your temper.
My point was taking an image and creating a different message entirely for gesturism.Your graphic has a pertinent message about staying calm and not losing your temper.
You could also just replace the whole of NDMM with a big sign saying "COMMON SENSE"
pavarotti1980 said:
You could also just replace the whole of NDMM with a big sign saying "COMMON SENSE"
Thank you for the clarification.Surely the video of PC Savage shows that Common Sense isn't equally distributed across the population or police officers?
What if you're a person who is deficient in Common Sense?
Could the NDMM be a way to redress the balance to compensate for those who due to their upbringing, education and life experience have a Common Sense shortfall?
carinaman said:
Thank you for the clarification.
Surely the video of PC Savage shows that Common Sense isn't equally distributed across the population or police officers?
What if you're a person who is deficient in Common Sense?
Could the NDMM be a way to redress the balance to compensate for those who due to their upbringing, education and life experience have a Common Sense shortfall?
The NDMM also allows for interpretation and the same decision will not be equally distributed across the population of police officers. Otherwise it wouldnt allow for fluid, dynamic decision making and it wopuld be prescribed so your point is a moot oneSurely the video of PC Savage shows that Common Sense isn't equally distributed across the population or police officers?
What if you're a person who is deficient in Common Sense?
Could the NDMM be a way to redress the balance to compensate for those who due to their upbringing, education and life experience have a Common Sense shortfall?
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