Police Officer Smashes Windscreen
Discussion
kev1974 said:
Stupid policeman. After smashing the car up, he should have smashed the phone up, obvs!
Bit confused about the part where matey in the car decides to try and bolt out of the passenger side. Why suddenly do that.
Maybe these "restricted duties" would include his acting as a community relations officer, I'm sure he'd go down a storm! Bit confused about the part where matey in the car decides to try and bolt out of the passenger side. Why suddenly do that.
I think most police are fine and behave reasonably and within the bounds that the law permits.
Then you have muppets like Mr Angry in the video who don't like being told no, regardless of whether they are requesting something that a citizen has no legal reason to comply with. You can find hundreds of videos online of police acting like this, a common one being them trying to take phones/camera/memory cards when they don't want to be filmed.... they aren't allowed to but it doesn't stop them.
I want to see police de-escalate situations wherever possible, and try to do their job in a calm and measured way. Most do. Some w
kers really ruin it for the rest of the police and destroy public trust. This idiot, I think, is one of the latter.
Then you have muppets like Mr Angry in the video who don't like being told no, regardless of whether they are requesting something that a citizen has no legal reason to comply with. You can find hundreds of videos online of police acting like this, a common one being them trying to take phones/camera/memory cards when they don't want to be filmed.... they aren't allowed to but it doesn't stop them.
I want to see police de-escalate situations wherever possible, and try to do their job in a calm and measured way. Most do. Some w
kers really ruin it for the rest of the police and destroy public trust. This idiot, I think, is one of the latter.spookly said:
I think most police are fine and behave reasonably and within the bounds that the law permits.
Then you have muppets like Mr Angry in the video who don't like being told no, regardless of whether they are requesting something that a citizen has no legal reason to comply with. You can find hundreds of videos online of police acting like this, a common one being them trying to take phones/camera/memory cards when they don't want to be filmed.... they aren't allowed to but it doesn't stop them.
I want to see police de-escalate situations wherever possible, and try to do their job in a calm and measured way. Most do. Some wkers really ruin it for the rest of the police and destroy public trust. This idiot, I think, is one of the latter.
+1Then you have muppets like Mr Angry in the video who don't like being told no, regardless of whether they are requesting something that a citizen has no legal reason to comply with. You can find hundreds of videos online of police acting like this, a common one being them trying to take phones/camera/memory cards when they don't want to be filmed.... they aren't allowed to but it doesn't stop them.
I want to see police de-escalate situations wherever possible, and try to do their job in a calm and measured way. Most do. Some w
kers really ruin it for the rest of the police and destroy public trust. This idiot, I think, is one of the latter.If I am stopped by the police what I expect to see is a well dressed, clean shaven individual who presents themselves in a professional, polite manner, totally regardless of what ALLEGED offence has been committed. I expect that same individual to address me as sir and treat me with the same courtesy that I would treat he/she.
What I see in this video is a half shaven, gum chewing, raving chav in a police uniform smashing somone's car up because the computer says he only has a provisional licence: and the computer is never wrong, eh? Totally unacceptable. This is the kind of police officer we do not want on the streets dealing with the public. He was completely out of control and, worse still, his partner leans back and watches this with apparent apathy.
There are many who would have reacted very differently from the driver of that car who was clearly frightened and the officer could have found himself seriously injured or worse. He should think about that, because despite any training he received he seems to forget his uniform doesn't protect him from retaliation. If you are going to behave like a hard man and a bully, you better be damn sure the guy you're doing it to isn't harder than you.
A sad day for the force.
J
What I see in this video is a half shaven, gum chewing, raving chav in a police uniform smashing somone's car up because the computer says he only has a provisional licence: and the computer is never wrong, eh? Totally unacceptable. This is the kind of police officer we do not want on the streets dealing with the public. He was completely out of control and, worse still, his partner leans back and watches this with apparent apathy.
There are many who would have reacted very differently from the driver of that car who was clearly frightened and the officer could have found himself seriously injured or worse. He should think about that, because despite any training he received he seems to forget his uniform doesn't protect him from retaliation. If you are going to behave like a hard man and a bully, you better be damn sure the guy you're doing it to isn't harder than you.
A sad day for the force.
J
stinkspanner said:
The bloke in the car didn't sound scared to me, in fact he sounded pretty calm.
Play the video back and listen to his voice when the copper starts smashing the windscreen. He is clearly alarmed and raises his voice to attempt to convince the copper he has a licence. The copper by this time is well gone and not listening.J
Well the kid should've done what he was asked and then it wouldn't have escalated. What's the point of winding up the copper? (I do agree that he seemed to overreact, but we don't know the full story either)
Maybe it's a generational thing, if I'm given an instruction by a Policeman then I do it. Simple innit?
Maybe it's a generational thing, if I'm given an instruction by a Policeman then I do it. Simple innit?
stinkspanner said:
Well the kid should've done what he was asked and then it wouldn't have escalated.
It could equally be argued that the policeman shouldn't demand what he has no right to.stinkspanner said:
What's the point of winding up the copper?
He seemed to be wound up without any assistance. stinkspanner said:
Maybe it's a generational thing, if I'm given an instruction by a Policeman then I do it.
If it's not a lawful instruction & it's given in an impolite manner then I'd see no reason to accommodate it.stinkspanner said:
Well the kid should've done what he was asked and then it wouldn't have escalated.
Indeed, assuming he'd done nothing wrong why wouldn't he? In many other countries he'd simply have been shot. But without knowing the events leading up to this it does seem the Police officer is over reacting a tad, although IMO the driver deserved to be nicked for his gangsta speak...
V6Pushfit said:
I would add that having been bought up to be law abiding I therefore have to question why he didn't simply get out of the car when asked to. So basically there has to be more to it.
As i mentioned previously, certain people for the way they look or the cars they drive are profiled negatively by the police.When i had a modified Corsa B years ago i lost count of the amount of times i was pulled over and accused of doing things i hadn't done at all. Since i moved onto different cars never been pulled at all despite driving exactly the same routes and in the same manner.
The gentleman who posted the video said he gets pulled over almost on a daily basis for things like this.
I don't know about you but if i was constantly being pulled over for the way i looked or the car i drove and the conclusion was always i'd never done anything wrong i'd start to lose my enthusiasm for assisting the police in wasting more of my time.
Most people aren't profiled or pulled over frequently for no reason so they'll have a hard time understanding.
In my 'youth' in the late 80's I had a white XR3i. Kept getting hassled by the police. Got pulled weekly, despite not EVER having done anything wrong.
Sold it and bought a 3 series (when they were pretty rare still and generally only owned by bank manager types) and never got hassled again.
With regard to the video, just glad the copper didn't have a firearm really.
Sold it and bought a 3 series (when they were pretty rare still and generally only owned by bank manager types) and never got hassled again.
With regard to the video, just glad the copper didn't have a firearm really.
Retroman said:
As i mentioned previously, certain people for the way they look or the cars they drive are profiled negatively by the police.
When i had a modified Corsa B years ago i lost count of the amount of times i was pulled over and accused of doing things i hadn't done at all. Since i moved onto different cars never been pulled at all despite driving exactly the same routes and in the same manner.
The gentleman who posted the video said he gets pulled over almost on a daily basis for things like this.
I don't know about you but if i was constantly being pulled over for the way i looked or the car i drove and the conclusion was always i'd never done anything wrong i'd start to lose my enthusiasm for assisting the police in wasting more of my time.
Most people aren't profiled or pulled over frequently for no reason so they'll have a hard time understanding.
Perhaps. But why didn't he just quietly get out of the car? Surely it was inevitable that sooner or later he would be forced out? When i had a modified Corsa B years ago i lost count of the amount of times i was pulled over and accused of doing things i hadn't done at all. Since i moved onto different cars never been pulled at all despite driving exactly the same routes and in the same manner.
The gentleman who posted the video said he gets pulled over almost on a daily basis for things like this.
I don't know about you but if i was constantly being pulled over for the way i looked or the car i drove and the conclusion was always i'd never done anything wrong i'd start to lose my enthusiasm for assisting the police in wasting more of my time.
Most people aren't profiled or pulled over frequently for no reason so they'll have a hard time understanding.
Something here ain't right....
Biker 1 said:
Perhaps. But why didn't he just quietly get out of the car? Surely it was inevitable that sooner or later he would be forced out?
Something here ain't right....
As i mentioned previously, once you've done it several times weekly, it starts to become quite the chore after a few weeks and you'll find yourself reluctant to assist someone who's just wasting your time repeatedly. Something here ain't right....
The officer stated he wanted to check his details. It's possible to check the details from inside the car and it's done often by lots of people without the officer losing his temper.
The driver was released without charge which would imply that they had done nothing wrong.
Biker 1 said:
Perhaps. But why didn't he just quietly get out of the car? Surely it was inevitable that sooner or later he would be forced out?
Something here ain't right....
Isn't this linked to whether there's a legal obligation to get out? If there isn't, he could have complied with the REQUEST, or he could have chosen not to. Either way, if there is no legal requirment to get out, the PC's actions are totally out of order. Even if there is an obligation, it doesn't make the action he took right. It makes it even worse that he is on camera, shows a real lack of control.Something here ain't right....
Alpinestars said:
It makes it even worse that he is on camera, shows a real lack of control.
What makes it sadder is that the only time this fine upstanding individual has ever fallen below the very high standards required was when a camera happened to be pointed at him. Unfortunate coincidence.Rovinghawk said:
Bigends said:
Hes under NO obligation to get out of the car until under arrest - everything else can be done through the side window -may take longer but thats how it is
Thanks for the information.Would those defending the PC's actions describe him as acting in a professional manner?
Interesting. The whole event would be seen in a different light completely if the officer had done the most simplest of things. All he had to say was:
"you have a provisional driving licence and are driving not in accordance with it - therefore your car is going to be seized. You need to vacate it in order for that to happen, and if you refuse, you will be arrested for obstructing a police officer".
At the point at which the driver then failed to co-operate, he is verbally arrested through the window, and then, everything you see would be justified and inarguable. Doesn't matter if the driver, or anyone else doesn't "agree" with that course of action, the fact is that course of action is legal and justified, you don't get the choice at the time to refuse to be arrested, you question it later.
The fact the officer seem's flummoxed and unsure what to do is the big mistake here. He has acted in panic, almost in fear of losing face, without taking the time to work out a water tight plan of approach. He had all the time in the world as the driver wasn't going anywhere. He could have gone back to his patrol car and sat in it, having a discussion with his colleague, had he wanted to. Instead he acted on impulse.
However, had he have said the above, which is all he had to say, his actions would not be faulted.
"you have a provisional driving licence and are driving not in accordance with it - therefore your car is going to be seized. You need to vacate it in order for that to happen, and if you refuse, you will be arrested for obstructing a police officer".
At the point at which the driver then failed to co-operate, he is verbally arrested through the window, and then, everything you see would be justified and inarguable. Doesn't matter if the driver, or anyone else doesn't "agree" with that course of action, the fact is that course of action is legal and justified, you don't get the choice at the time to refuse to be arrested, you question it later.
The fact the officer seem's flummoxed and unsure what to do is the big mistake here. He has acted in panic, almost in fear of losing face, without taking the time to work out a water tight plan of approach. He had all the time in the world as the driver wasn't going anywhere. He could have gone back to his patrol car and sat in it, having a discussion with his colleague, had he wanted to. Instead he acted on impulse.
However, had he have said the above, which is all he had to say, his actions would not be faulted.
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