Police Officer Smashes Windscreen

[roofer]

Greendubber said:

roofer said:

Greendubber said:

roofer said:

Greendubber said:

cmaguire said:

Greendubber said:

Public interest plays large part in things now, he's all over the media so I think its only right he's restricted. Pre camera phones Joe Public wouldnt know who he was as he wouldnt be all over the press etc.

Even now chances are only the sad bds that frequent social media would know who he is anyway. Restricted duties goes against a presumption of innocence in many ways. Appropriate if accused of sexual harassment for example, but this ?

If there is an allegation of excessive force its entirely appropriate that restricted duties may follow. Dont forget we dont know everything about what happened which works both ways as there could be another officer thats said he was going ape sh!t for no reason and he's up to his neck in it.

Nothing like a bit of camaderie in the force,,bubble your mate, get a promotion. Makes you like the grasses you thrived on, no ?

What planet are you on?

Earth, not kiss the bosses arse get a promotion. A grass is a grass, whatever side of the law he is on. I bet your colleagues are right pleased they have you as support.

You want dishonest police officers?

Says more about you than it does me.

Nope, but I want a bit of support from my mates, not ass kissing for promotion. If you have not been involved in a similar situation to the basis of this topic, fair enough, but if you have ...did you support your colleague?

[Rovinghawk]

roofer-

I never thought I'd side with Greendubber but I have to agree with him that you ain't the full shilling.

[Red Devil]

XCP said:

Alpinestars said:

XCP said:

Quite. He may even become a target in certain quarters.

Which is clearly wrong, so one would assume that he should have been trained to only react that way if absolutely necessary.

He will have been trained that any use of force has to be proportionate and justifiable having regard to all the circumstances. It is up to him to justify what he did. He will know that.

It is possible that in the heat of the moment his training went AWOL. The police are not a breed apart. They are human like the rest of us and subject to the same frailties. Unfortunately for him their role demands a higher degree of resistance to provocation than the average desk jockey in an office environment.

Whether he can justify it or not, his name and face are now known to the public at large. My bet is that he will find it very difficult out on the street even if he survives the investigation. What use will he be then to an overstretched force? Even a transfer to another might not be the solution. Being an internet star is not necessarily a positive thing.

[Greendubber]

roofer said:

Greendubber said:

roofer said:

Greendubber said:

roofer said:

Greendubber said:

cmaguire said:

Greendubber said:

Public interest plays large part in things now, he's all over the media so I think its only right he's restricted. Pre camera phones Joe Public wouldnt know who he was as he wouldnt be all over the press etc.

Even now chances are only the sad bds that frequent social media would know who he is anyway. Restricted duties goes against a presumption of innocence in many ways. Appropriate if accused of sexual harassment for example, but this ?

If there is an allegation of excessive force its entirely appropriate that restricted duties may follow. Dont forget we dont know everything about what happened which works both ways as there could be another officer thats said he was going ape sh!t for no reason and he's up to his neck in it.

Nothing like a bit of camaderie in the force,,bubble your mate, get a promotion. Makes you like the grasses you thrived on, no ?

What planet are you on?

Earth, not kiss the bosses arse get a promotion. A grass is a grass, whatever side of the law he is on. I bet your colleagues are right pleased they have you as support.

You want dishonest police officers?

Says more about you than it does me.

Nope, but I want a bit of support from my mates, not ass kissing for promotion. If you have not been involved in a similar situation to the basis of this topic, fair enough, but if you have ...did you support your colleague?

I'd tell the truth as lying is a fast route to unemployment.

I'm not sure why you keep banging on about promotion.

[XCP]

Obviously never been before a Promotion Board.

[dondadda]

OT

Well done PC Patterson. This is what police officers are paid to do! Its a shame bad apples like Savage tarnish the reputation of many who are there to do good.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershir...

[anonymous-user]

dondadda said:

OT

Well done PC Patterson. This is what police officers are paid to do! Its a shame bad apples like Savage tarnish the reputation of many who are there to do good.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershir...

Full credit to PC Patterson. Top Cop unlike that cretin PC Savage.

[Countdown]

roofer said:

Nothing like a bit of camaderie in the force,,bubble your mate, get a promotion. Makes you like the grasses you thrived on, no ?

This doesn't make sense.

Are you suggesting that Police shouldn't report on dodgy colleagues?
Are you suggesting that promoting coppers who report on dodgy colleagues is a bad thing? What sort of tin-pot 3rd world Police force do you think we should aspire to?

O/T but calling people "grasses" is probably one of the most childish insults I can think of, usually the preserve of those who know they're acting like pr1cks and get all upset when others report them. It's quite simple - "Dont act like a dick and you won't get grassed on".

[Bigends]

Countdown said:

roofer said:

Nothing like a bit of camaderie in the force,,bubble your mate, get a promotion. Makes you like the grasses you thrived on, no ?

This doesn't make sense.

Are you suggesting that Police shouldn't report on dodgy colleagues?
Are you suggesting that promoting coppers who report on dodgy colleagues is a bad thing? What sort of tin-pot 3rd world Police force do you think we should aspire to?

O/T but calling people "grasses" is probably one of the most childish insults I can think of, usually the preserve of those who know they're acting like pr1cks and get all upset when others report them. It's quite simple - "Dont act like a dick and you won't get grassed on".

Officers shouldn't rely on others covering for their or neglect or wrongdoing. They shouldn't be putting others in a position that they have to be untruthful or unethical in order to cover for them..those corrupt old days are loooooong gone now.

[LocoCoco]

Countdown said:

roofer said:

Nothing like a bit of camaderie in the force,,bubble your mate, get a promotion. Makes you like the grasses you thrived on, no ?

O/T but calling people "grasses" is probably one of the most childish insults I can think of, usually the preserve of those who know they're acting like pr1cks and get all upset when others report them. It's quite simple - "Dont act like a dick and you won't get grassed on".

It's not that simple, you might behave in a way that you find acceptable but somebody else doesn't. They exaggerate or lie and report you to the police. There's a bunch of threads on here where blokes/women get accused of all-sorts during a break up or divorce which prove my point. If you're going to report somebody to the police I feel like there should be repercussions if that statement can be proven to be false/exaggerated.


You're quote would be more accurate if it said " Don't act in a way that another person could perceive as being dickish and you won't get grassed on". Impossible in my opinion.

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Bigends said:

Officers shouldn't rely on others covering for their or neglect or wrongdoing. They shouldn't be putting others in a position that they have to be untruthful or unethical in order to cover for them..those corrupt old days are loooooong gone now.

Exactly. And Officers shouldn't be labelled as "grasses" for showing integrity.

[Glassman]

This murican 'carp' manages to do everything PC Savage did in one hit:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/video-shows...

[roofer]

Greendubber said:

I'd tell the truth as lying is a fast route to unemployment.

I'm not sure why you keep banging on about promotion.

Your Super loves you. Your mates who work alongside don't.

[anonymous-user]

roofer said:

Greendubber said:

I'd tell the truth as lying is a fast route to unemployment.

I'm not sure why you keep banging on about promotion.

Your Super loves you. Your mates who work alongside don't.

Repeating the same rubbish doesn't magically make it true. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Greendubber]

roofer said:

Greendubber said:

I'd tell the truth as lying is a fast route to unemployment.

I'm not sure why you keep banging on about promotion.

Your Super loves you. Your mates who work alongside don't.

Well I'm sat next to 7 of them now having some lunch and they're all laughing at you.

[frankenstein12]

Personally I see nothing wrong with the officers actions. Arragont victim status twonk in car refuses to identify himself to clear up issue so officer helped him out of his car.

The same problem with all the police shootings in the states. Idiots are given instructions. Idiots decide not to follow instructions. Idiots get shot and wind up dead. Boo hoo. I am crying into my coffee.

its nothing to do with police racism and everything to do with entitlement.

[Alpinestars]

frankenstein12 said:

Personally I see nothing wrong with the officers actions. Arragont victim status twonk in car refuses to identify himself to clear up issue so officer helped him out of his car.

The same problem with all the police shootings in the states. Idiots are given instructions. Idiots decide not to follow instructions. Idiots get shot and wind up dead. Boo hoo. I am crying into my coffee.

its nothing to do with police racism and everything to do with entitlement.

Not sure why you're bringing racism into this.

Policeman not entitled to demand guy gets out of the car. Let alone put his window in.

[frankenstein12]

Alpinestars said:

frankenstein12 said:

Personally I see nothing wrong with the officers actions. Arragont victim status twonk in car refuses to identify himself to clear up issue so officer helped him out of his car.

The same problem with all the police shootings in the states. Idiots are given instructions. Idiots decide not to follow instructions. Idiots get shot and wind up dead. Boo hoo. I am crying into my coffee.

its nothing to do with police racism and everything to do with entitlement.

Not sure why you're bringing racism into this.

Policeman not entitled to demand guy gets out of the car. Let alone put his window in.

Ahh you see there we go the word again "Entitled" . It does not matter if he is entitled to or not. Stupid idiot decided that rather than being polite and helpful he would create a situation that was unnecessary. The officer had a suspicion of wrongdoing and was not going to let someone he thought was a criminal or up to criminal deeds just leave

The officer did not stop him and ask him who he was because he was bored or because as someone else on here said because he was black.

The officer stopped him as the car was known to the police and the officer was doing his job.

I brought race into it because another poster did so earlier in the thread and the person involved in this video comes across as trying to make it about race which its not.

As we all know when police officers stop people who are known criminals or who are up to good they are always only too happy to admit who they are what they were doing and to sign a full letter of confession... Not.

Is it really any skin off someones nose if an officer says he believes you to be someone you are not or driving a vehicle you are not entitled to etc to prove to the officer they are wrong if you are not up to any crime?

Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 2nd October 18:46

Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 2nd October 18:48

[Alpinestars]

frankenstein12 said:

Ahh you see there we go the word again "Entitled" . It does not matter if he is entitled to or not. Stupid idiot decided that rather than being polite and helpful he would create a situation that was unnecessary. The officer had a suspicion of wrongdoing and was not going to let someone he thought was a criminal or up to criminal deeds just leave

The officer did not stop him and ask him who he was because he was bored or because as someone else on here said because he was black.

The officer stopped him as the car was known to the police and the officer was doing his job.

I brought race into it because another poster did so earlier in the thread and the person involved in this video comes across as trying to make it about race which its not.

As we all know when police officers stop people who are known criminals or who are up to good they are always only too happy to admit who they are what they were doing and to sign a full letter of confession... Not.

Is it really any skin off someones nose if an officer says he believes you to be someone you are not or driving a vehicle you are not entitled to etc to prove to the officer they are wrong if you are not up to any crime?

Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 2nd October 18:46

Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 2nd October 18:48

It may be no skin off his nose but a PC asking someone to step out of the car carries the same weight as me asking you to get out of your car. He had the right to ask his name and address and if that's not forthcoming he has the power of arrest. He can't just go bat st on him because it hurt his pride.

[Rovinghawk]

frankenstein12 said:

It does not matter if he is entitled to or not.

Yes it does.