NHS Trust allowing harassment of staff via parking charges
Discussion
Gareth1974 said:
Lease cars used to be a good option, they were subsidised, in the last 18 months or so, the subsidy element seems to have been removed - I looked at it for my wife (with help from the lease deals thread) and found much better deals on the open market. If you have a lease car, the allowance is reduced to a flat 12p a mile, so you need to get 45mpg to even cover the cost of fuel (more if the this allowance is taxable, which I think it is).
It is a lease that is financed by salary sacrifice so you lose out on the pension I am led to believe as you have reduced your salary. In the past essential car users got a company car but that was stopped as there was the usual outcry against what was seen as a perk.It is a problem for many who work at multiple locations parking.
spaximus said:
Gareth1974 said:
Lease cars used to be a good option, they were subsidised, in the last 18 months or so, the subsidy element seems to have been removed - I looked at it for my wife (with help from the lease deals thread) and found much better deals on the open market. If you have a lease car, the allowance is reduced to a flat 12p a mile, so you need to get 45mpg to even cover the cost of fuel (more if the this allowance is taxable, which I think it is).
It is a lease that is financed by salary sacrifice so you lose out on the pension I am led to believe as you have reduced your salary. In the past essential car users got a company car but that was stopped as there was the usual outcry against what was seen as a perk.It is a problem for many who work at multiple locations parking.
Devil2575 said:
I'm not saying anything about how private companies operate. This is just my opinion with respect to hospitals.
A hospital should be about convenience for both patients and staff.
I get that the NHS needs to save money and there isn't an infinate supply of money but we spend a lower percentage of GDP on healthcare than most other developed countries and the cost of parking is going to be a drop in the ocean.
Should we be knocking existing hospitals down and building new ones to make them more convenient by relocating the, to somewhere with lots of car parks? Car parks are expensive to build, maintain and manage. A hospital should be about convenience for both patients and staff.
I get that the NHS needs to save money and there isn't an infinate supply of money but we spend a lower percentage of GDP on healthcare than most other developed countries and the cost of parking is going to be a drop in the ocean.
Your view is all well and good, but I'd prefer money was spent on something else. Your choice is purely because you use those car parks a lot, I don't and see no value in spending more on them. I'd prefer to see it spent on road maintenance.
This isn't a visitor issue anyway, this is about staff not sticking to the rules as laid out by their employer for the use of the car park.
Gareth1974 said:
spaximus said:
Gareth1974 said:
Lease cars used to be a good option, they were subsidised, in the last 18 months or so, the subsidy element seems to have been removed - I looked at it for my wife (with help from the lease deals thread) and found much better deals on the open market. If you have a lease car, the allowance is reduced to a flat 12p a mile, so you need to get 45mpg to even cover the cost of fuel (more if the this allowance is taxable, which I think it is).
It is a lease that is financed by salary sacrifice so you lose out on the pension I am led to believe as you have reduced your salary. In the past essential car users got a company car but that was stopped as there was the usual outcry against what was seen as a perk.It is a problem for many who work at multiple locations parking.
spaximus said:
Gareth1974 said:
spaximus said:
Gareth1974 said:
Lease cars used to be a good option, they were subsidised, in the last 18 months or so, the subsidy element seems to have been removed - I looked at it for my wife (with help from the lease deals thread) and found much better deals on the open market. If you have a lease car, the allowance is reduced to a flat 12p a mile, so you need to get 45mpg to even cover the cost of fuel (more if the this allowance is taxable, which I think it is).
It is a lease that is financed by salary sacrifice so you lose out on the pension I am led to believe as you have reduced your salary. In the past essential car users got a company car but that was stopped as there was the usual outcry against what was seen as a perk.It is a problem for many who work at multiple locations parking.
What I don't understand is why they pay 56p unless there's some dispensation as anything over 45p would be taxable.
Sheepshanks said:
Both schemes exist. Not all bits of the NHS offer salary sacrifice cars but where they do, they're available to everyone as a perk. It used to be the case that people who did over a certain mileage were forced into what everyone else would regard as a company car but that seems to have fallen out of favour now.
What I don't understand is why they pay 56p unless there's some dispensation as anything over 45p would be taxable.
Not sure on that bit, what I do know is it reduces after IIRC 2500 miles and then it just covers the costs to be honest. The lunacy is they would hire a car every time my wife does a long journey, say Bristol to Leeds if she wanted one at whatever the cost would be. What I don't understand is why they pay 56p unless there's some dispensation as anything over 45p would be taxable.
Ken Figenus said:
Local government civil service staff, university staff and the Town Hall council staff all get free city centre parking in my town. But no, nurses who work shifts are not worthy. Think only in commercial terms - milk them for everything you can and increase their hours!
They each have their own parking facilities. It's like complaining about my Ford Focus because my neighbour's got a 911.Have to say I'm very surprised that Council staff in your town are getting free parking unless there is very little demand for it.
Countdown said:
Have to say I'm very surprised that Council staff in your town are getting free parking unless there is very little demand for it.
They do; I suspect the demand outstrips the provision but its definitely private and free (with staff passes). I'm quite happy for them as it a quality of life bonus for the staff - make people's lives easier and better not harder and costlier. I hope they too take heed of that mantra!Gavia said:
Devil2575 said:
I'm not saying anything about how private companies operate. This is just my opinion with respect to hospitals.
A hospital should be about convenience for both patients and staff.
I get that the NHS needs to save money and there isn't an infinate supply of money but we spend a lower percentage of GDP on healthcare than most other developed countries and the cost of parking is going to be a drop in the ocean.
Should we be knocking existing hospitals down and building new ones to make them more convenient by relocating the, to somewhere with lots of car parks? Car parks are expensive to build, maintain and manage. A hospital should be about convenience for both patients and staff.
I get that the NHS needs to save money and there isn't an infinate supply of money but we spend a lower percentage of GDP on healthcare than most other developed countries and the cost of parking is going to be a drop in the ocean.
Gavia said:
Your view is all well and good, but I'd prefer money was spent on something else. Your choice is purely because you use those car parks a lot, I don't and see no value in spending more on them. I'd prefer to see it spent on road maintenance.
Gavia said:
This isn't a visitor issue anyway, this is about staff not sticking to the rules as laid out by their employer for the use of the car park.
Before retiring I worked shifts in our Police Ops room at HQ.
Parking was a nightmare when coming in for pm shift.
They had a parking Obergruppenstumbahnfuhrer patrolling. We had screen stickers for showing our alliwed carpark (colour coded) reapplied for annually. The OB would put warning notes on cars he deemed unsuitably parked.
Senior staff had designated parking so no issues for them!
The problem was insufficient spaces for numbers of employees.
They tried setting up park and ride... a fiasco as the carpark was across the other side of town. I would have needed to drive past work for 3 miles+ to get to it to catch the bus back!
£10M was spent building a new block that senipr staff/admin departments moved into with a few designated seniprs only parking spaces. Other staff there then parked in our allocated area as it saved them walking 100 yards!
Parking on the road outside was sternly prohibited with threats of tickets/towing etc!
An absolute farce.
It was free parking mind you but charges were being looked at.
we suggested extending carparks into the more than needed grassed areas but the reply was..."we can't reduce the green space".
Parking was a nightmare when coming in for pm shift.
They had a parking Obergruppenstumbahnfuhrer patrolling. We had screen stickers for showing our alliwed carpark (colour coded) reapplied for annually. The OB would put warning notes on cars he deemed unsuitably parked.
Senior staff had designated parking so no issues for them!
The problem was insufficient spaces for numbers of employees.
They tried setting up park and ride... a fiasco as the carpark was across the other side of town. I would have needed to drive past work for 3 miles+ to get to it to catch the bus back!
£10M was spent building a new block that senipr staff/admin departments moved into with a few designated seniprs only parking spaces. Other staff there then parked in our allocated area as it saved them walking 100 yards!
Parking on the road outside was sternly prohibited with threats of tickets/towing etc!
An absolute farce.
It was free parking mind you but charges were being looked at.
we suggested extending carparks into the more than needed grassed areas but the reply was..."we can't reduce the green space".
surely now that all the racist's that voted for "Brexit" will now resolve the car parking issues, as all the foreign NHS staff will be shipped out of the country ?
Oh and apparently the NHS will have £350m a week to spend, so perhaps massive glass multi storey car parks could be built with valet parking and a free wax and hoover out ?
You see, all the problems are about to be resolved............... oh hang on..................
Oh and apparently the NHS will have £350m a week to spend, so perhaps massive glass multi storey car parks could be built with valet parking and a free wax and hoover out ?
You see, all the problems are about to be resolved............... oh hang on..................
Pete317 said:
Devil2575 said:
Why does an employer need to use the services of a private parking company to enforce rules in a staff car park? Do you think that is a reasonable thing for an employer to do? I don't.
At last, a topic on which you and I agree wholeheartedlyAny manager who think that this is a good idea is unfit to do their job.
Devil2575 said:
Pete317 said:
Devil2575 said:
Why does an employer need to use the services of a private parking company to enforce rules in a staff car park? Do you think that is a reasonable thing for an employer to do? I don't.
At last, a topic on which you and I agree wholeheartedlyAny manager who think that this is a good idea is unfit to do their job.
Gavia said:
Why do you think it's all down to management? If there was no need to police it, then I'm sure they wouldn't. The problem will be on both sides and the staff need to look at themselves too, as there is highly likely to be a minority of them who are causing the problems for the majority.
No, that's highly likely to be ivory tower management who are spoiling things for their staffThere's about as much excuse for that as there is for using a sledgehammer to fix a watch, or dialling 999 if the neighbour's cat climbs your tree.
Steff1965 said:
Keeper is now liable in England and Wales if the driver isn't known plus Barry Beavis lost against Parking Eye at the Supreme Court where it was decided that an £85 charge was reasonable.
Only up here in Scotland is it safe to ignore these tickets if you wanted to
Thats sort of right but the PPC have to rely on a correctly worded POFA complaint statement to achieve keeper liability.Only up here in Scotland is it safe to ignore these tickets if you wanted to
You no messing with these PPC but Jimmy Cranky, trying to seperate you from England even though the voted to stay, but she wants the rest of the EU. She is a bit confused!
Devil2575 said:
Why does an employer need to use the services of a private parking company to enforce rules in a staff car park? Do you think that is a reasonable thing for an employer to do? I don't.
There are a couple of reasons I can think of.(a) It's cheaper
(b) They're not just enforcing against staff. We used it when the main offenders were the Public
There is nothing management want more than a reasonable happy workforce. It means lower turnover, more productivity, less stress. I've worked in places where this sort of thing was used. There's always been a good reason for it.
Pete317 said:
At last, a topic on which you and I agree wholeheartedly
In my local hospitals case they signed over control of parking for 25 years and in return got a new multi storey. Staff if live over a certain distance get to pay for a pass to limit space parking!Or £8 quid a public multistorey !
Pete317 said:
Gavia said:
Why do you think it's all down to management? If there was no need to police it, then I'm sure they wouldn't. The problem will be on both sides and the staff need to look at themselves too, as there is highly likely to be a minority of them who are causing the problems for the majority.
No, that's highly likely to be ivory tower management who are spoiling things for their staffThere's about as much excuse for that as there is for using a sledgehammer to fix a watch, or dialling 999 if the neighbour's cat climbs your tree.
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