62 in 30 letter 1 week before 6 months FML
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TooMany2cvs said:
And, fwiw, I'm not having a pop at the OP, but merely clarifying the depth of the position he's put himself into to those who are tacitly defending him, like JonV8V and Beaver King. Which is why the comments you're objecting to were quoting them, not quoting the OP. The OP has been told - repeatedly - he needs to get a solicitor. This is the only advice that can be given. If the thread was closed as soon as that was given, it wouldn't have lasted past the first reply.
Where have I defended the OP's actions? Quote a post please!Edited by TooMany2cvs on Friday 9th December 11:12
What I have done is highlighted the fact that people are repeatedly telling the OP what a t
t he is and how he shouldn't have done it.Well bloody hell, I'm in awe of your incredible gift of post-event observation.
Please do go on; why don't you tell us about a time where you told someone they should have been driving more careful and the roads were icy, after they had a crash and are asking about insurance advice....?
Jesus wept. I have no doubt you post some good stuff on here 2CV; in fact I'm pretty sure I've read some of it, but this whole 'Captain Hindsight' thing and berating the OP, even though his post was pretty neutral, really is a bit much.
Personally, I empathise with the OP. He has a kid on the way, money worries and now his job could be at risk. I'd have a lot on my mind as well and the last thing I would want, when I'm just asking for a bit of advice of people, is to have the whole thing slammed into my face every other post.
xjay1337 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
The sprog's due in March. I make that three months time. Which means that, at the time he was nicked for this, she was just about getting up the duff.
But what you might be forgetting is that that also means that by the time he started the OTHER thread a month and a bit ago about the speed cameras, he not only knew that he had a twice-the-limit-in-a-30 hanging over him, having been stopped at the time, but that he knew damn well that she was four and a half months up the duff...
I'm not going near the wisdom of getting her up the duff while being in a very precarious financial position, then knowingly risking your job.
Did you get denied a nipple as a baby?But what you might be forgetting is that that also means that by the time he started the OTHER thread a month and a bit ago about the speed cameras, he not only knew that he had a twice-the-limit-in-a-30 hanging over him, having been stopped at the time, but that he knew damn well that she was four and a half months up the duff...
I'm not going near the wisdom of getting her up the duff while being in a very precarious financial position, then knowingly risking your job.
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The Beaver King said:
TooMany2cvs said:
And, fwiw, I'm not having a pop at the OP, but merely clarifying the depth of the position he's put himself into to those who are tacitly defending him, like JonV8V and Beaver King. Which is why the comments you're objecting to were quoting them, not quoting the OP. The OP has been told - repeatedly - he needs to get a solicitor. This is the only advice that can be given. If the thread was closed as soon as that was given, it wouldn't have lasted past the first reply.
Where have I defended the OP's actions? Quote a post please!Edited by TooMany2cvs on Friday 9th December 11:12
TooMany2cvs said:
JonV8V said:
Other have pointed out it's a road that's easy to speed on.
Look at the Google maps link I already posted after his screenshot.The South Circular road. 500m from a large, and usually congested, roundabout to a traffic-light controlled junction with the A2. 570m the other side of it to another big roundabout. At 5pm.
JonV8V said:
He knows he's in trouble, he just wants help to stop himself getting into more trouble which will happen if he loses his job as a result of a ban.
"Forgetting" to tell the people you drive buses for is a strange way to do that, don'cha think?JonV8V said:
If he was sitting here on 9 points and just picked up yet another ticket then I'd agree with you, and if he gets done again, I'll be at the front of the queue to throw him to the lions. But he's not.
The Beaver King said:
...from what he has said so far, he is hardly racking up speeding convictions left, right and centre.
Feel free to look at the thread he started last month about cameras on the A2... And remember he's already referred to how few cars went past during his roadside chat.This is somebody who, with a sprog brewing and knowing he's waiting to hear about being stopped at more than double the limit, then goes through some cameras in a "safe zone" "really quick"... and whose first thought then is to "forget" to tell his employer he's been banned so he can continue to drive up to 80 people around...
The Beaver King said:
but this whole 'Captain Hindsight' thing and berating the OP, even though his post was pretty neutral, really is a bit much.
No hindsight, and no berating of the OP. Unless there's something you'd like to point to...?Ughhhh, I really can't be arsed anymore.
The post you quoted was me pointing out that he (as far as we know) is hardly some serial speeder; hence probably not worthy of the bking posts. I didn't say his speeding was acceptable.....
And ref the berating; my comments aren't aimed soley at you, more a general remark about SP&L. You have constantly brought up the fact that OP has a child on the way and even mapped out the timeline; you're raising it for a point and it isn't related to his question about court.
I'm done; we're probably not going to agree with each other. I've made my point and you've defended yours. Have a good weekend
The post you quoted was me pointing out that he (as far as we know) is hardly some serial speeder; hence probably not worthy of the b
king posts. I didn't say his speeding was acceptable.....And ref the berating; my comments aren't aimed soley at you, more a general remark about SP&L. You have constantly brought up the fact that OP has a child on the way and even mapped out the timeline; you're raising it for a point and it isn't related to his question about court.
I'm done; we're probably not going to agree with each other. I've made my point and you've defended yours. Have a good weekend
The Beaver King said:
The post you quoted was me pointing out that he (as far as we know) is hardly some serial speeder...
Which is why I pointed you and Jon, who said something similar, to that other thread - which suggests that isn't quite the case.The Beaver King said:
Have a good weekend
Indeed. Cheers!Edited by TooMany2cvs on Friday 9th December 12:35
OP, if you can afford one, get a solicitor. If you can't, you need to gather plenty of evidence together to show that you getting a ban will cause hardship to OTHER people. The court will not care about how losing your licence will affect you, a punishment is supposed to cause hardship, but they will take into consideration how their actions (banning you) could affect other innocent parties.
You cannot be banned if you don't attend court. They have to ban you in person, so you could write to the court with your mitigation, and not attend. If they're hell bent on banning you they will have to reschedule, often they don't want to do this, and might deal with it on the day via points and fine.
If you do attend court, dress smartly (you'd be aazed how many scrotes turn up in a tracky and don't give a st), be seriously contrite and offer up your mitigation with evidence from others to try and avoid a ban. Good luck.
You cannot be banned if you don't attend court. They have to ban you in person, so you could write to the court with your mitigation, and not attend. If they're hell bent on banning you they will have to reschedule, often they don't want to do this, and might deal with it on the day via points and fine.
If you do attend court, dress smartly (you'd be aazed how many scrotes turn up in a tracky and don't give a s
t), be seriously contrite and offer up your mitigation with evidence from others to try and avoid a ban. Good luck. OP I've been accused of being 'the BRAKE crowd' on here. All I will say is take this as an opportunity to have a word with yourself. IF you lose your job don't treat the world as against you. Take it on the chin and learn.
We've all done silly things in cars. The difference is you should learn from the experience. Reading 10pence shorts diary on here calmed me right down as I imagine it did for others.
Guys seriously stop the personal abuse. Your defending a bloke you've never met whose twice the limit. People WILL vent/say their displeasure.
We've all done silly things in cars. The difference is you should learn from the experience. Reading 10pence shorts diary on here calmed me right down as I imagine it did for others.
Guys seriously stop the personal abuse. Your defending a bloke you've never met whose twice the limit. People WILL vent/say their displeasure.
hora said:
Your defending a bloke you've never met whose twice the limit. People WILL vent/say their displeasure.
Maybe some of the abuse is because some of us get sick of the same kneejerk OP-abuse every time someone comes on here to ask for advice after being caught speeding.Maybe there should be one thread in SP&L for people to vent their spleens in as required about their hatred of speeding, then in other threads people could come on and seek advice, without being flamed by all the usual posters.
You know, like they used to on PH.
A few points I'd like to mention, I feared the worst for the outcome of this thread based on the time I've spent browsing these forums, I'm not suprised at half of the responses.
1. I wasn't driving the bus whilst speeding, and I'm not Sandra Bullock.
2. No ketchup jokes please
3. I do take full responsibilty for what I've done, I was almost in tears the other night. This isn't a case of being sorry for being caught, I genuinely feel stupid and remorseful.
4. I have contacted AGTLaw, have had a small exchange of e-mails and have taken his short term advice to write a mitigating letter.
EDIT: I don't see how me posting about whether or not the A2 average speed cameras where active or not is relevant? Wouldn't you want to know or be curious if you'd gone through at 60 instead of 50. Or am I a dullard for that too.
Thanks for any support given, to those that want to criticize, go forth and continue.
I will keep this thread updated as things progress, wish me luck.
1. I wasn't driving the bus whilst speeding, and I'm not Sandra Bullock.
2. No ketchup jokes please
3. I do take full responsibilty for what I've done, I was almost in tears the other night. This isn't a case of being sorry for being caught, I genuinely feel stupid and remorseful.
4. I have contacted AGTLaw, have had a small exchange of e-mails and have taken his short term advice to write a mitigating letter.
EDIT: I don't see how me posting about whether or not the A2 average speed cameras where active or not is relevant? Wouldn't you want to know or be curious if you'd gone through at 60 instead of 50. Or am I a dullard for that too.
Thanks for any support given, to those that want to criticize, go forth and continue.
I will keep this thread updated as things progress, wish me luck.
Edited by IntriguedUser on Friday 9th December 14:49
IntriguedUser said:
A few points I'd like to mention, I feared the worst for the outcome of this thread based on the time I've spent browsing these forums, I'm not suprised at half of the responses.
1. I wasn't driving the bus whilst speeding, and I'm not Sandra Bullock.
2. No ketchup jokes please
3. I do take full responsibilty for what I've done, I was almost in tears the other night. This isn't a case of being sorry for being caught, I genuinely feel stupid and remorseful.
4. I have contacted AGTLaw, have had a small exchange of e-mails and have taken his short term advice to write a mitigating letter.
EDIT: I don't see how me posting about whether or not the A2 average speed cameras where active or not is relevant? Wouldn't you want to know or be curious if you'd gone through at 60 instead of 50. Or am I a dullard for that too.
Thanks for any support given, to those that want to criticize, go forth and continue.
I will keep this thread updated as things progress, wish me luck.
Good luck man. 1. I wasn't driving the bus whilst speeding, and I'm not Sandra Bullock.
2. No ketchup jokes please
3. I do take full responsibilty for what I've done, I was almost in tears the other night. This isn't a case of being sorry for being caught, I genuinely feel stupid and remorseful.
4. I have contacted AGTLaw, have had a small exchange of e-mails and have taken his short term advice to write a mitigating letter.
EDIT: I don't see how me posting about whether or not the A2 average speed cameras where active or not is relevant? Wouldn't you want to know or be curious if you'd gone through at 60 instead of 50. Or am I a dullard for that too.
Thanks for any support given, to those that want to criticize, go forth and continue.
I will keep this thread updated as things progress, wish me luck.
Edited by IntriguedUser on Friday 9th December 14:49
You really need to ignore some of the bell ends, BRAKE trolls, and people who w
k themselves into a frenzy of anger over someone speeding on PH. It's the only way anyone can remain posting.As you're a bus driver in London I take it you may be a member of Unite?
They offer a free legal advice helpline that you should use. They are also affiliated to Thompsons solicitors who if I remember correctly offer a free initial consultation and reduced rates for union members.
Speak to your union rep BEFORE your employers about how it may play out. I know a number of London bus drivers and they all say one thing in common - crap managers, so only tell them when you know the result.
They offer a free legal advice helpline that you should use. They are also affiliated to Thompsons solicitors who if I remember correctly offer a free initial consultation and reduced rates for union members.
Speak to your union rep BEFORE your employers about how it may play out. I know a number of London bus drivers and they all say one thing in common - crap managers, so only tell them when you know the result.
It is ironic that if anyone would benefit from a Speed Awareness Course, it would be the OP... along with any fine, points or ban, but it won't be part of any penalty handed down.
If SAC was all about safety, then surely EVERYBODY caught over the limit should be SENT on one, rather than it being a choice for those just over the limit?
If SAC was all about safety, then surely EVERYBODY caught over the limit should be SENT on one, rather than it being a choice for those just over the limit?
Just for the record, I have no "hatred of speeding". I've just watched back my first helmetcam video from last night's ride to work and thought I must angle the camera up a bit more to save me getting banned and losing my job as the speedo was far too visible!
My vitriol was all personal. If I lose my job, my creditors will wait. I don't have a baby. I'm not often in charge of a vehicle with anyone else in or on it.
My vitriol was all personal. If I lose my job, my creditors will wait. I don't have a baby. I'm not often in charge of a vehicle with anyone else in or on it.
Mill Wheel said:
It is ironic that if anyone would benefit from a Speed Awareness Course, it would be the OP... along with any fine, points or ban, but it won't be part of any penalty handed down.
While I can certainly see your point, and don't necessarily disagree with it, where would you stop with that?Speeds that would see you certainly banned, if you've already done one, get you an afternoon of tea and biscuits?
I'm not sure the OP can possibly have been unaware of either his speed or the likely consequences, so is "awareness" appropriate?
valiant said:
As you're a bus driver in London I take it you may be a member of Unite?
They offer a free legal advice helpline that you should use. They are also affiliated to Thompsons solicitors who if I remember correctly offer a free initial consultation and reduced rates for union members.
Speak to your union rep BEFORE your employers about how it may play out. I know a number of London bus drivers and they all say one thing in common - crap managers, so only tell them when you know the result.
I'd suggest this too, find your best Union Rep and get the low down on what you can and cant have on your licence and still keep your job. I know a DD would mean never working for the majority of the big companies again but a short term ban might not be so bad. I'm sure if you're well thought of at work they'll not want to lose you, used up some holiday, lieu days and maybe a few unpaid? They offer a free legal advice helpline that you should use. They are also affiliated to Thompsons solicitors who if I remember correctly offer a free initial consultation and reduced rates for union members.
Speak to your union rep BEFORE your employers about how it may play out. I know a number of London bus drivers and they all say one thing in common - crap managers, so only tell them when you know the result.
You know you've been stupid, I dont know what the point of carrying on slating you is tbh, I suspect IF you keep your DL you'll not be doing much speeding again.
Keep us updated.
IntriguedUser said:
Do the points start from date of offense or from the court date?
I might have missed this being addressed amongst the thread-bickering, but what's the detail behind this specific question?Had you a number of points already on your license at the date of the offence that have matured and expired between then and the summons?
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