RE: Trucker wins speed camera case
Monday 21st March 2005
Trucker wins speed camera case
But authorities want to stay on his tail
A wrongly accused trucker has won a battle to clear his name after having been flashed by a speed camera -- although the authorities want to re-open the case against him.
After being flashed by the Gatso and receiving a notice of intent to prosecute, trucker Ian Clayton showed the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) his tachograph, which showed his skip lorry was travelling at 26mph in a 30mph limit at the time.
Six months later, the CPS eventually dropped the case at Burton Magistrates Court after trucker Ian Clayton refused to pay the £50 fine and accept the three point licence penalty. According to a report in the Burton Mail, he said, "I know that speed camera -- we’re on intimate terms. When it flashed I checked the speedo and I thought 'it can’t be me. This has cost someone, somewhere a lot of money and it’s a waste of the taxpayers' money. I knew I was right all along."
However, a project manager at the local camera partnership has said that he is happy that the camera was working, and that he wants to resurrect the case.
www.burtonmail.co.uk/detail.asp?cat=General%20News&id=5354285
Discussion
How much "interference" does a modern truck driver need?
1) Tachograph
2) Speed limiters (usually 60 or 55)
3) Road site cameras
Proven by one method to be under the speed limit, yet they still want to "do" him over this. As mentioned, EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TO SPEND ON THIS? Its all tax payers money....
Gits....
1) Tachograph
2) Speed limiters (usually 60 or 55)
3) Road site cameras
Proven by one method to be under the speed limit, yet they still want to "do" him over this. As mentioned, EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TO SPEND ON THIS? Its all tax payers money....
Gits....
off_again said:
How much "interference" does a modern truck driver need?
1) Tachograph
2) Speed limiters (usually 60 or 55)
3) Road site cameras
Proven by one method to be under the speed limit, yet they still want to "do" him over this. As mentioned, EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TO SPEND ON THIS? Its all tax payers money....
Gits....
Let's hope you'll be voting Conservative next time..
Streetcop said:
How much "interference" does a modern truck driver need?
1) Tachograph
2) Speed limiters (usually 60 or 55)
3) Road site cameras
Proven by one method to be under the speed limit, yet they still want to "do" him over this. As mentioned, EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TO SPEND ON THIS? Its all tax payers money....
Gits....
Let's hope you'll be voting Conservative next time..
Why have they pledged to grind up the cameras and feed them to the lentilists whilste they await trial?
Anybody else think that this just smacks of pure unadulterated spitefulness?
Just who are these little tyrants who think theyve got some kind of god given right to inflict their abhorrent ideas and actions on everyone else?
Heres what i think should happen to em.
Every single one of these sleazers that are employed by this "empire of corruption"<aka> "The partnerships" should be dragged from their beds in the wee hours of the night and taken to a cold damp place and the living shite beaten out of them with cables and hoses until they beg for mercy....then beat the crap out of em some more.
Maybe THEN theyll get the message that nasty, greedy, power hungry SCUM like them wont be tolerated in our society.
God i hate these pricks with a passion.
Personal opinion, not affiliated with the site owners..blah, blah and blah.
Just who are these little tyrants who think theyve got some kind of god given right to inflict their abhorrent ideas and actions on everyone else?
Heres what i think should happen to em.
Every single one of these sleazers that are employed by this "empire of corruption"<aka> "The partnerships" should be dragged from their beds in the wee hours of the night and taken to a cold damp place and the living shite beaten out of them with cables and hoses until they beg for mercy....then beat the crap out of em some more.
Maybe THEN theyll get the message that nasty, greedy, power hungry SCUM like them wont be tolerated in our society.
God i hate these pricks with a passion.
Personal opinion, not affiliated with the site owners..blah, blah and blah.
know i've set off cameras on the other side of the road before, If i ever get flashed myself i'd want to see the photo and measure it for myself. At least the guy had proof that he was in the right though sounds like they can't let anyone off without undermining the rest of their previous and pending claims so have to be seen to go after everyone even when they know they are wrong.
Actually adopting a slight devils advocate mode here.
The case against the trucker was dropped by the CPS. The camera bods are satisfied that the camera is accurate and want the case reopened, presumably so they get their day in court.
On the assumption that the tacho evidence is accurate then bring it on I say.
Surely the verdict will be not guilty and an excuse to wind up the anti camera campaign on the basis that the cameras are not accurate and/or the pratnership did not check for corroborating evidence in the photo{s).
Accepted that this means the heavy driver is still on the rack, but it seems to me that as soon as anyone puts up any half decent defence the pratnerships fold, thus nothing is ever tested in court. This still leaves a lot of people thinking that they are not guilty but don't have the means / will / energy to fight and take the easy option of £60 & 3pts.
just my 2p, I'll get my coat.
The case against the trucker was dropped by the CPS. The camera bods are satisfied that the camera is accurate and want the case reopened, presumably so they get their day in court.
On the assumption that the tacho evidence is accurate then bring it on I say.
Surely the verdict will be not guilty and an excuse to wind up the anti camera campaign on the basis that the cameras are not accurate and/or the pratnership did not check for corroborating evidence in the photo{s).
Accepted that this means the heavy driver is still on the rack, but it seems to me that as soon as anyone puts up any half decent defence the pratnerships fold, thus nothing is ever tested in court. This still leaves a lot of people thinking that they are not guilty but don't have the means / will / energy to fight and take the easy option of £60 & 3pts.
just my 2p, I'll get my coat.
What?
The whole point of a Tachograph is to PROVE that you are not going too fast before limiters and the like were made available.
So, now the "safety (cough) partnerships" decide that this long standing method of testing speed is wrong, and that their cameras are accurate.
So does this mean that Tachographs are unreliable. Lol...?
I don't think they have a leg to stand on, and I'm pretty surprised the police don't have anything to do with this. Surely they can see it's a waste of our money and prevent the scamera peple from taking this further.
I hope this gets national TV, with an UNBIASED angle. Knowing our luck though, the BBC will have some un-trained biased idiot telling us the tachographs are old tech compared to the new thoroughly tested and accurate (cough) revenue generators, oops, i mean safety cameras.
Then we'll have a precedent set in the "public" eye that scamera's are even more righteous, and we should all trust them.
Arghghhh, this damn country. We can't even be allowed to be innocent anymore.
Guilty until you finally get convicted. Not innocent until proven guilty anymore.
Even guilty until proven innocent is ok in this case, but now he's not even allowed to be innocent, lol...
Down with Bliar and his cronies...
Dave
The whole point of a Tachograph is to PROVE that you are not going too fast before limiters and the like were made available.
So, now the "safety (cough) partnerships" decide that this long standing method of testing speed is wrong, and that their cameras are accurate.
So does this mean that Tachographs are unreliable. Lol...?
I don't think they have a leg to stand on, and I'm pretty surprised the police don't have anything to do with this. Surely they can see it's a waste of our money and prevent the scamera peple from taking this further.
I hope this gets national TV, with an UNBIASED angle. Knowing our luck though, the BBC will have some un-trained biased idiot telling us the tachographs are old tech compared to the new thoroughly tested and accurate (cough) revenue generators, oops, i mean safety cameras.
Then we'll have a precedent set in the "public" eye that scamera's are even more righteous, and we should all trust them.
Arghghhh, this damn country. We can't even be allowed to be innocent anymore.
Guilty until you finally get convicted. Not innocent until proven guilty anymore.
Even guilty until proven innocent is ok in this case, but now he's not even allowed to be innocent, lol...
Down with Bliar and his cronies...
Dave
If this prat at the SCP decides to open up the case again then I am afraid he is more stupid that a stupid thing (need to keep it clean obviously!). As mentioned already, he is indicating that either of the technologies at hand here - tachograph or speed camera - is in correct.
Now we know that tachographs can be inaccurate, and we know that speed cameras can be too. But both sides of the argument dont want to admit that (both have stuff based in law). In fact, to prove that one is inaccurate would open a pandoras box of cases.... something that would be ill-advised of ANYONE....
So, my manager of the SCP - which is more accurate? Your speed cameras or the tachograph? One of you is lying and the other is accurate - Russian Roulette? One will loose and it could well be the speed camera....
Go on punk - just try....
.... and without wasting my flippin' public money while you are at it....[/snall]
Now we know that tachographs can be inaccurate, and we know that speed cameras can be too. But both sides of the argument dont want to admit that (both have stuff based in law). In fact, to prove that one is inaccurate would open a pandoras box of cases.... something that would be ill-advised of ANYONE....
So, my manager of the SCP - which is more accurate? Your speed cameras or the tachograph? One of you is lying and the other is accurate - Russian Roulette? One will loose and it could well be the speed camera....
Go on punk - just try....
.... and without wasting my flippin' public money while you are at it....[/snall]
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