Will May Pay or Hope it Fades Away? £55b exit bill...
Discussion
Let's see what the details and numbers are once they've sat down and discussed it. Assuming we have sensible negotiation and a sensible deal then of course we should pay. Oh, and as long as the EU are very clear what every penny covers and we get auditability of where it actually gets spent.
These are also budget commitments to 2020. So presumably our fees up to March 2019 are also part of the total. Only another year's worth of fluff plus ongoing nonsense like some pension commitments to worry about.
These are also budget commitments to 2020. So presumably our fees up to March 2019 are also part of the total. Only another year's worth of fluff plus ongoing nonsense like some pension commitments to worry about.
A concept some seem to have difficulty with
negotiate
nɪˈɡəʊʃɪeɪt/
verb
1.
obtain or bring about by discussion.
"he negotiated a new contract with the sellers"
synonyms: arrange, work out, thrash out, hammer out, reach an agreement on, agree on, come to terms about, reach terms on, broker; More
2.
find a way over or through (an obstacle or difficult route).
"she cautiously negotiated the hairpin bend"
synonyms: get round/past/over, make one's way round/past/over, make it round/past/over, clear, cross, pass over; More
negotiate
nɪˈɡəʊʃɪeɪt/
verb
1.
obtain or bring about by discussion.
"he negotiated a new contract with the sellers"
synonyms: arrange, work out, thrash out, hammer out, reach an agreement on, agree on, come to terms about, reach terms on, broker; More
2.
find a way over or through (an obstacle or difficult route).
"she cautiously negotiated the hairpin bend"
synonyms: get round/past/over, make one's way round/past/over, make it round/past/over, clear, cross, pass over; More
Isn't it supposedly for the pensions of British people working for the EU?
In which case we should just pay the pensions ourselves as if they had been civil servants.
Wrap up the projects we already committed to and that's that.
We shouldn't be plugging a gaping hole in the EU budget just because they demand it.
In which case we should just pay the pensions ourselves as if they had been civil servants.
Wrap up the projects we already committed to and that's that.
We shouldn't be plugging a gaping hole in the EU budget just because they demand it.
Dixy said:
A concept some seem to have difficulty with
negotiate
n???????e?t/
verb
1.
obtain or bring about by discussion.
"he negotiated a new contract with the sellers"
synonyms: arrange, work out, thrash out, hammer out, reach an agreement on, agree on, come to terms about, reach terms on, broker; More
2.
find a way over or through (an obstacle or difficult route).
"she cautiously negotiated the hairpin bend"
synonyms: get round/past/over, make one's way round/past/over, make it round/past/over, clear, cross, pass over; More
Acknowledgement of this concept would take all the fun out of internet discussions.negotiate
n???????e?t/
verb
1.
obtain or bring about by discussion.
"he negotiated a new contract with the sellers"
synonyms: arrange, work out, thrash out, hammer out, reach an agreement on, agree on, come to terms about, reach terms on, broker; More
2.
find a way over or through (an obstacle or difficult route).
"she cautiously negotiated the hairpin bend"
synonyms: get round/past/over, make one's way round/past/over, make it round/past/over, clear, cross, pass over; More
SKP555 said:
Isn't it supposedly for the pensions of British people working for the EU?
In which case we should just pay the pensions ourselves as if they had been civil servants.
Wrap up the projects we already committed to and that's that.
We shouldn't be plugging a gaping hole in the EU budget just because they demand it.
Once our commitments are met, whatever they are, we won't be.In which case we should just pay the pensions ourselves as if they had been civil servants.
Wrap up the projects we already committed to and that's that.
We shouldn't be plugging a gaping hole in the EU budget just because they demand it.
SKP555 said:
Isn't it supposedly for the pensions of British people working for the EU?
In which case we should just pay the pensions ourselves as if they had been civil servants.
Wrap up the projects we already committed to and that's that.
We shouldn't be plugging a gaping hole in the EU budget just because they demand it.
There is no funded pension scheme as far as I aware, pensions are paid from EU cashflow.In which case we should just pay the pensions ourselves as if they had been civil servants.
Wrap up the projects we already committed to and that's that.
We shouldn't be plugging a gaping hole in the EU budget just because they demand it.
Pensions for all EU employees/MEP's were accrued while we were members so it is not unreasonable that we contribute to the future payment of those accrued benefits. Converting that long term liability into a lump sum is likely to be billions.
Yes, we have made commitments which we will have to honour, but it's not a one way street, commitments have been made to spend money in the UK too which will equally have to be honoured by the EU. The negotiations will be to work out what the net sum will be and which direction it will flow.
I don't think it will be anything like a net payment of £55Bn from us to them.
I don't think it will be anything like a net payment of £55Bn from us to them.
NoNeed said:
How do we owe them money? We have been net contributors since 1979.
Because we committed to certain budget items when a member, net contributors or not. It's only right that we stand by any commitments that cannot reasonably be mitigated. There will also be positive projects that we should want to continue to be involved with and set a decent precedent on (I suspect. Don't ask me to name any ). The question outstanding is the amount. Which I'm sure will be thrashed out in good humour over the coming months.
End of the day, even 60bn is "only" 6yrs' net contributions. And we're still in it for the next 2yrs. If they can justify the rest and we can see the explicit benefit in it AND continue to have a direct say where relevant, then so be it. A price worth paying.
The Spruce goose said:
the NHS is still waiting for the extra 300 million a week as well..oh wait a second
Its all numbers thrown around that basically have no true meaning.
What, you mean like the UK receives funding from the EU?.... Oh wait a second, as you say, it is all numbers thrown around that have no true meaning. Its all numbers thrown around that basically have no true meaning.
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