13 year old runs over wife's Porsche
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Markbarry1977 said:
Buzypea said:
An eye for an eye......
It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
Lol lol a bit extreme, I can guarantee you the police would have no problems prosecuting you though for it. It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
I explained the situation and that i had called the police already, she said ok but told me to calm down ! Anyways 2 more calls to the police yielded no one dispatched yet this is now 45 mins after i had caught the kid, 2 PSCO arrived on mountain bikes, it turns out they were responding to the school teacher phoning in and not to my 3 phone calls to the police!
To me it always looks like the police are on the side of the criminals.
chippy348 said:
Markbarry1977 said:
Buzypea said:
An eye for an eye......
It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
Lol lol a bit extreme, I can guarantee you the police would have no problems prosecuting you though for it. It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
I explained the situation and that i had called the police already, she said ok but told me to calm down ! Anyways 2 more calls to the police yielded no one dispatched yet this is now 45 mins after i had caught the kid, 2 PSCO arrived on mountain bikes, it turns out they were responding to the school teacher phoning in and not to my 3 phone calls to the police!
To me it always looks like the police are on the side of the criminals.
Do you have a full list of all the other jobs going on in your area at the time and the number of resources available to your local force to respond to your incident?
Basic triage makes what could be interpreted as assault on a young person more urgent than damage to an insured motor vehicle, whether you've detained the suspect or not.
Pothole said:
chippy348 said:
Markbarry1977 said:
Buzypea said:
An eye for an eye......
It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
Lol lol a bit extreme, I can guarantee you the police would have no problems prosecuting you though for it. It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
I explained the situation and that i had called the police already, she said ok but told me to calm down ! Anyways 2 more calls to the police yielded no one dispatched yet this is now 45 mins after i had caught the kid, 2 PSCO arrived on mountain bikes, it turns out they were responding to the school teacher phoning in and not to my 3 phone calls to the police!
To me it always looks like the police are on the side of the criminals.
Do you have a full list of all the other jobs going on in your area at the time and the number of resources available to your local force to respond to your incident?
Basic triage makes what could be interpreted as assault on a young person more urgent than damage to an insured motor vehicle, whether you've detained the suspect or not.
Pothole said:
chippy348 said:
Markbarry1977 said:
Buzypea said:
An eye for an eye......
It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
Lol lol a bit extreme, I can guarantee you the police would have no problems prosecuting you though for it. It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
I explained the situation and that i had called the police already, she said ok but told me to calm down ! Anyways 2 more calls to the police yielded no one dispatched yet this is now 45 mins after i had caught the kid, 2 PSCO arrived on mountain bikes, it turns out they were responding to the school teacher phoning in and not to my 3 phone calls to the police!
To me it always looks like the police are on the side of the criminals.
Do you have a full list of all the other jobs going on in your area at the time and the number of resources available to your local force to respond to your incident?
Basic triage makes what could be interpreted as assault on a young person more urgent than damage to an insured motor vehicle, whether you've detained the suspect or not.
chippy348 said:
Pothole said:
chippy348 said:
Markbarry1977 said:
Buzypea said:
An eye for an eye......
It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
Lol lol a bit extreme, I can guarantee you the police would have no problems prosecuting you though for it. It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
I explained the situation and that i had called the police already, she said ok but told me to calm down ! Anyways 2 more calls to the police yielded no one dispatched yet this is now 45 mins after i had caught the kid, 2 PSCO arrived on mountain bikes, it turns out they were responding to the school teacher phoning in and not to my 3 phone calls to the police!
To me it always looks like the police are on the side of the criminals.
Do you have a full list of all the other jobs going on in your area at the time and the number of resources available to your local force to respond to your incident?
Basic triage makes what could be interpreted as assault on a young person more urgent than damage to an insured motor vehicle, whether you've detained the suspect or not.
garyhun said:
Whilst you might well be correct it does have a whiff of 'wrong' about it.
Only if you look at it from the viewpoint that "your" incident should be most important to everyone, not just you.Do you have the same attitude at A&E or do you believe that triage is important there?
Pothole said:
garyhun said:
Whilst you might well be correct it does have a whiff of 'wrong' about it.
Only if you look at it from the viewpoint that "your" incident should be most important to everyone, not just you.Do you have the same attitude at A&E or do you believe that triage is important there?
Pothole said:
You're quite capable, I'm sure, of imagining that the answer to your "what if?" 's are yes, probably. Try and have a less self-centred think about the number of officers there are available these days and the number of incidents they have to deal with. With this in mind, is it at all surprising that the response to a teacher calling in about possible risk to the safety of a child appeared to be more important?
This guy's had some idiot run about on the roof of his car and your response is to tell him to be less self-centred about the response time of the police? Where do you keep your head parked? This is exactly the problem with the current outlook on crime, the heart bleeds for the perp, the victim has to field guff like this. Heaveho said:
Pothole said:
You're quite capable, I'm sure, of imagining that the answer to your "what if?" 's are yes, probably. Try and have a less self-centred think about the number of officers there are available these days and the number of incidents they have to deal with. With this in mind, is it at all surprising that the response to a teacher calling in about possible risk to the safety of a child appeared to be more important?
This guy's had some idiot run about on the roof of his car and your response is to tell him to be less self-centred about the response time of the police? Where do you keep your head parked? This is exactly the problem with the current outlook on crime, the heart bleeds for the perp, the victim has to field guff like this. Pothole said:
Whose heart is bleeding for who now? I think it's obvious which way my feelings lie on the nasty little scrote who ran over his car. That aside, his whinging about the response he received was ill informed and ill advised. If you believe otherwise perhaps the parking space you've chosen for your own head needs rethinking.
A guy had his car vandalised. I imagine that when he rings the police to say he has detained the culprit, only to have them turn up because some other halfwit has complained that he has done so, just adds salt to the wound. If you were in his position, I suspect your response may be different to the one you previously aired. He was wronged twice, once by the kid, and again by the response he got, and the reasons for it.Massive credit to OP for being able to keep hold of the kid. If nothing comes of this, that kid will remember this incident for the rest of his life.
A lesson will have been learn't whatever happens. The kid will instantly have s
t himself when caught, and will have continue to st himself for the duration of the incident, whilst waiting for the police to arrive. That is not quickly forgotten.... All kids involved will absolutely think twice about pulling such a stupid stunt.
I'm not sure what I would have done in the same situation, being torn between wanting justice against my car vs a teacher seeing me infringing the kids freedoms or 'umans rights & risking selling it as assault to the authorities.
I would have very clearly told 999 I am holding him, a 13 year old kid, citizens arrest style (is that what it's called?), and will not let him go until the police have arrived. A advise they arrive swiftly, and would have then requested every bit of advice from them on how I can handle this situation without risking myself getting in the st as well.
A lesson will have been learn't whatever happens. The kid will instantly have s
t himself when caught, and will have continue to st himself for the duration of the incident, whilst waiting for the police to arrive. That is not quickly forgotten.... All kids involved will absolutely think twice about pulling such a stupid stunt.I'm not sure what I would have done in the same situation, being torn between wanting justice against my car vs a teacher seeing me infringing the kids freedoms or 'umans rights & risking selling it as assault to the authorities.
I would have very clearly told 999 I am holding him, a 13 year old kid, citizens arrest style (is that what it's called?), and will not let him go until the police have arrived. A advise they arrive swiftly, and would have then requested every bit of advice from them on how I can handle this situation without risking myself getting in the s
t as well.Edited by Andehh on Friday 14th April 07:37
You have to give the police the benefit of the doubt and say that they wouldn't know that the two incidents are related.
If it were a case of you've grabbed the lad who vandalised your property, but the police think you grabbing him is more serious than the fact that he vandalised your property, yes, you'd be justified in having problem with that.
If it's being treated as two separate incidents, "a person has caught the teenager who vandalised their property and wants you to come and get them" and "a man has been seen wrangling a young lad and the person reporting it is worried they'll hurt them", with no correlation between the two, it should be pretty obvious which is going to get prioritised.
I think the OP is sensible enough to play this straight, and as much as the lad would probably benefit from an immediate physical reminder that actions have consequences, it comes down to having to work through the "correct" process, to achieve as best he can the result he wants.
If it were a case of you've grabbed the lad who vandalised your property, but the police think you grabbing him is more serious than the fact that he vandalised your property, yes, you'd be justified in having problem with that.
If it's being treated as two separate incidents, "a person has caught the teenager who vandalised their property and wants you to come and get them" and "a man has been seen wrangling a young lad and the person reporting it is worried they'll hurt them", with no correlation between the two, it should be pretty obvious which is going to get prioritised.
I think the OP is sensible enough to play this straight, and as much as the lad would probably benefit from an immediate physical reminder that actions have consequences, it comes down to having to work through the "correct" process, to achieve as best he can the result he wants.
chippy348 said:
There is quite a bit about the incident that i left out, after i found the kid and got hold of him to restrain him all his mates were videoing me and saying i was assaulting him, a member of the public (school teacher) came over and was very concerned with the situation.
I explained the situation and that i had called the police already, she said ok but told me to calm down ! Anyways 2 more calls to the police yielded no one dispatched yet this is now 45 mins after i had caught the kid, 2 PSCO arrived on mountain bikes, it turns out they were responding to the school teacher phoning in and not to my 3 phone calls to the police!
To me it always looks like the police are on the side of the criminals.
You held a child hostage for 45 minutes. Did you lock him in the cellar? Or sit on him ? I explained the situation and that i had called the police already, she said ok but told me to calm down ! Anyways 2 more calls to the police yielded no one dispatched yet this is now 45 mins after i had caught the kid, 2 PSCO arrived on mountain bikes, it turns out they were responding to the school teacher phoning in and not to my 3 phone calls to the police!
To me it always looks like the police are on the side of the criminals.
Does anybody really give a fk? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.
Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a st about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.
Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
k? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a s
t about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
Andehh said:
Massive credit to OP for being able to keep hold of the kid. If nothing comes of this, that kid will remember this incident for the rest of his life.
A lesson will have been learn't whatever happens. The kid will instantly have st himself when caught, and will have continue to st himself for the duration of the incident, whilst waiting for the police to arrive. That is not quickly forgotten.... All kids involved will absolutely think twice about pulling such a stupid stunt.
The lesson clearly hasn't been learnt given the fact that the same kid was out the next day playing football in sight of the op. On the basis of that alone any doubt about bringing charges should be removed.A lesson will have been learn't whatever happens. The kid will instantly have s
t himself when caught, and will have continue to st himself for the duration of the incident, whilst waiting for the police to arrive. That is not quickly forgotten.... All kids involved will absolutely think twice about pulling such a stupid stunt.Edited by Andehh on Friday 14th April 07:37
Jonno02 said:
Does anybody really give a fk? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.
Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a st about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.
Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
Bingo, an accurate post.k? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a s
t about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
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