13 year old runs over wife's Porsche
Discussion
Heaveho said:
Jonno02 said:
Does anybody really give a f
k? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.
Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a st about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.
Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
Bingo, an accurate post.k? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a s
t about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
BoRED S2upid said:
You held a child hostage for 45 minutes. Did you lock him in the cellar? Or sit on him ?
Hopefully he Duck taped him to an old wooden chair in his garage, then paced around in front of him holding a blow torch and a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire, whilst he waited for the police to arrive.That would hopefully make the little s
t think about his actions and possibly ensure he never damaged anyone's property again.Please note: my post in in jest and I wouldn't actually do this, however much I would like to.
garyhun said:
Heaveho said:
Jonno02 said:
Does anybody really give a fk? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.
Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a st about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.
Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
Bingo, an accurate post.k? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a s
t about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
I was pointing out a reasonable explanation why it played out like it did, in that it's likely the two things weren't being correlated.
It's not that the police ignored him having caught the kid, and then turned up because he might hurt him. It's far more likely the two separately reported events were addressed by priority, and if you don't see how in that sense, it'd always be the "potential assault on minor" one that wins out, I can't help you.
It seems from the OP's story that, once they were there, the police quickly got things straight that it was "man apprehended vandal" rather than "man attacked teen".
I'm perfectly happy with the idea that my property has more value than the wellbeing of someone who might try to damage or steal it, as it happens, doesn't prevent me trying to understand what seems likely to have gone on here.
It's not that the police ignored him having caught the kid, and then turned up because he might hurt him. It's far more likely the two separately reported events were addressed by priority, and if you don't see how in that sense, it'd always be the "potential assault on minor" one that wins out, I can't help you.
It seems from the OP's story that, once they were there, the police quickly got things straight that it was "man apprehended vandal" rather than "man attacked teen".
I'm perfectly happy with the idea that my property has more value than the wellbeing of someone who might try to damage or steal it, as it happens, doesn't prevent me trying to understand what seems likely to have gone on here.
PorkInsider said:
garyhun said:
Heaveho said:
Jonno02 said:
Does anybody really give a fk? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.
Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a st about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.
Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
Bingo, an accurate post.k? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a s
t about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
op, have you been in touch with the parents regarding this ? i had a similar situation a few years ago with a brand new fireblade. parked outside my garage opposite my drive and a young kid around 7 years of age pushed the bike off the stand. i didn't see it happening, thought the bike had fallen over,and picked it back up. went back in the house and heard my daughter shouting at someone a minute later.
turned out the young lad had come straight back and pushed it over again ! a neighbour then came out to say their kid had witnessed him doing it the first time. they also knew who he was and where he lived. i got the impression from speaking to them they didn't expect the response from the parents to be very good, but i went to see them anyway.
turned out they were quite happy to pay for the damage once i got a quote from the dealer. it was only £480 ,a lot less than you will be facing unless it can be smart repaired ,but it was a lot to that particular family. they accepted responsibility for their kids actions and did the right thing with no quibble and i got the impression they were keen to do the right thing.
turned out the young lad had come straight back and pushed it over again ! a neighbour then came out to say their kid had witnessed him doing it the first time. they also knew who he was and where he lived. i got the impression from speaking to them they didn't expect the response from the parents to be very good, but i went to see them anyway.
turned out they were quite happy to pay for the damage once i got a quote from the dealer. it was only £480 ,a lot less than you will be facing unless it can be smart repaired ,but it was a lot to that particular family. they accepted responsibility for their kids actions and did the right thing with no quibble and i got the impression they were keen to do the right thing.
Heaveho said:
Rationality has no place to call a home in SPL on threads like this. Too many Liberal supporters.
What's more rational? People going into Daily Mail reader mode about police being on the side of the criminals, or people saying that there's always going to be a certain amount of triage in how the police deal with incidents that are reported?I've had cars vandalised. I've had things stolen. I've had the crime number by phone, and sometimes a visit by someone. A few weeks ago, I was burgled, and I just got a crime number and sorted it out with my insurance, while since this morning there's been a manned police car park outside a neighbour's house - because they've had a pretty bad fire, and it's being investigated. I don't hold this against the police, they do have only so much resource, and ultimately that is a more serious issue than my own was.
The OP's quoted repair bill is a tenth of what I was hit for with that one, does that make my problems worse than his? No, of course it bloody doesn't, they're completely unrelated. He has a much better chance of the exact person responsible being dealt with than I had, so I don't feel particularly hard done by that he's getting "more attention" than I did.
This sort of thing isn't "Liberal supporters", whatever you've got it into your head that means (and if my guess is right on that, no, I'm really, really not - I'd be perfectly happy for the f
kers who do stuff like this to end up face down in the canal, and the police go "oh dear, how sad, never mind" when they do). It's just people who've been round this particular circuit at least once, and recognise how things go.My main hope for the progress of this thread is that the OP gets the repair cost out the family, and the teenager responsible gets a punishment he feels the impact of.
InitialDave said:
What's more rational? People going into Daily Mail reader mode about police being on the side of the criminals, or people saying that there's always going to be a certain amount of triage in how the police deal with incidents that are reported?
I've had cars vandalised. I've had things stolen. I've had the crime number by phone, and sometimes a visit by someone. A few weeks ago, I was burgled, and I just got a crime number and sorted it out with my insurance, while since this morning there's been a manned police car park outside a neighbour's house - because they've had a pretty bad fire, and it's being investigated. I don't hold this against the police, they do have only so much resource, and ultimately that is a more serious issue than my own was.
The OP's quoted repair bill is a tenth of what I was hit for with that one, does that make my problems worse than his? No, of course it bloody doesn't, they're completely unrelated. He has a much better chance of the exact person responsible being dealt with than I had, so I don't feel particularly hard done by that he's getting "more attention" than I did.
This sort of thing isn't "Liberal supporters", whatever you've got it into your head that means (and if my guess is right on that, no, I'm really, really not - I'd be perfectly happy for the fkers who do stuff like this to end up face down in the canal, and the police go "oh dear, how sad, never mind" when they do). It's just people who've been round this particular circuit at least once, and recognise how things go.
My main hope for the progress of this thread is that the OP gets the repair cost out the family, and the teenager responsible gets a punishment he feels the impact of.
No need to get too excited about the " liberal supporter " comment, it was tongue in cheek, as was the whole post really. I would have posted a smilie if the site would let me.I've had cars vandalised. I've had things stolen. I've had the crime number by phone, and sometimes a visit by someone. A few weeks ago, I was burgled, and I just got a crime number and sorted it out with my insurance, while since this morning there's been a manned police car park outside a neighbour's house - because they've had a pretty bad fire, and it's being investigated. I don't hold this against the police, they do have only so much resource, and ultimately that is a more serious issue than my own was.
The OP's quoted repair bill is a tenth of what I was hit for with that one, does that make my problems worse than his? No, of course it bloody doesn't, they're completely unrelated. He has a much better chance of the exact person responsible being dealt with than I had, so I don't feel particularly hard done by that he's getting "more attention" than I did.
This sort of thing isn't "Liberal supporters", whatever you've got it into your head that means (and if my guess is right on that, no, I'm really, really not - I'd be perfectly happy for the f
kers who do stuff like this to end up face down in the canal, and the police go "oh dear, how sad, never mind" when they do). It's just people who've been round this particular circuit at least once, and recognise how things go.My main hope for the progress of this thread is that the OP gets the repair cost out the family, and the teenager responsible gets a punishment he feels the impact of.
It won't matter, or be of any consequence to you that I was arrested and charged for defending myself against the thief attempting to take my car. I won't relate the whole sorry story here, it's all on another thread, however, it gives an accurate insight into why I have absolutely no concern for the welfare of criminals of any age, and why I have so much contempt for the justice system. For decent people who would otherwise never find themselves in the kind of trouble I did, it's a completely arse about face system. The fact that you seem to be more accepting than me of your fate in such circumstances doesn't mean very much to me, I'm afraid.
Haven't ever looked at the Daily Mail, what's it like?
Heaveho said:
It won't matter, or be of any consequence to you that I was arrested and charged for defending myself against the thief attempting to take my car. I won't relate the whole sorry story here, it's all on another thread, however, it gives an accurate insight into why I have absolutely no concern for the welfare of criminals of any age, and why I have so much contempt for the justice system. For decent people who would otherwise never find themselves in the kind of trouble I did, it's a completely arse about face system. The fact that you seem to be more accepting than me of your fate in such circumstances doesn't mean very much to me, I'm afraid.
Your specific experience may not have a direct impact on me, but people having such situations very much is why I have the approach I have. I've avoided it myself probably more through circumstances and good fortune than always actively making the right decision.I don't accept my fate. I begrudgingly accept how things (don't?) seem to work, and bear it in mind when deciding my course of action. I'm not accepting it as right, I'm acceptingit as just being. I can't comment on what you did precisely, but if you beat the s
t out of someone trying to steal your car with a breaker bar, I have absolutely no problem with that, and the only reason I'd stop you from doing so is because of the risk of how it'd turn out for you.But I'm not in charge...
Heaveho said:
Haven't ever looked at the Daily Mail, what's it like?
It contains unnuanced opinions like "the police are on the side of the criminals", when there's probably a more balanced explanation, and the comments are always full of people agreeing.Pothole said:
chippy348 said:
Markbarry1977 said:
Buzypea said:
An eye for an eye......
It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
Lol lol a bit extreme, I can guarantee you the police would have no problems prosecuting you though for it. It's time for wife's Porsche to run over 13 year old chav
I explained the situation and that i had called the police already, she said ok but told me to calm down ! Anyways 2 more calls to the police yielded no one dispatched yet this is now 45 mins after i had caught the kid, 2 PSCO arrived on mountain bikes, it turns out they were responding to the school teacher phoning in and not to my 3 phone calls to the police!
To me it always looks like the police are on the side of the criminals.
Do you have a full list of all the other jobs going on in your area at the time and the number of resources available to your local force to respond to your incident?
Basic triage makes what could be interpreted as assault on a young person more urgent than damage to an insured motor vehicle, whether you've detained the suspect or not.
Couldn't help but be reminded of this old urban myth joke.
A man was going to bed one night when his wife told him that he had left the light on in the shed. She could see the light was on from the bedroom window. As the man looked for himself he saw that there were people in the shed taking things.The man phoned the police, but they told him that no one was in the area to help him at that time, but they would send someone over as soon as they were available. He said "OK," hung up, and waited one minute, then phoned the police back. "Hello" he said, "I just called you a minute ago because there were people in my shed. Well, you don't have to worry about them now 'cause I've shot them." Within five minutes there were half a dozen police cars in the area, an Armed Response unit, the works. Of course, they caught the burglars red-handed. One of the officers said: "I thought you said that you shot them!" The man replied, "I thought you said there was nobody available!"
InitialDave said:
Your specific experience may not have a direct impact on me, but people having such situations very much is why I have the approach I have. I've avoided it myself probably more through circumstances and good fortune than always actively making the right decision.
I don't accept my fate. I begrudgingly accept how things (don't?) seem to work, and bear it in mind when deciding my course of action. I'm not accepting it as right, I'm acceptingit as just being. I can't comment on what you did precisely, but if you beat the st out of someone trying to steal your car with a breaker bar, I have absolutely no problem with that, and the only reason I'd stop you from doing so is because of the risk of how it'd turn out for you.
But I'm not in charge...
Fair points, well put.I don't accept my fate. I begrudgingly accept how things (don't?) seem to work, and bear it in mind when deciding my course of action. I'm not accepting it as right, I'm acceptingit as just being. I can't comment on what you did precisely, but if you beat the s
t out of someone trying to steal your car with a breaker bar, I have absolutely no problem with that, and the only reason I'd stop you from doing so is because of the risk of how it'd turn out for you.But I'm not in charge...
Heaveho said:
Haven't ever looked at the Daily Mail, what's it like?
It contains unnuanced opinions like "the police are on the side of the criminals", when there's probably a more balanced explanation, and the comments are always full of people agreeing.It is a sad predicament when we have a gang of young lads who are happy to damage property, but when the OP makes a reasonable call to detain the person guilty, other fell differently.
This is why these lads think they can get away with it as too many want to excuse these things too easily.
I was burgled, I tracked down the culprit and she was sent to court. A slap on the wrist for over £25k damage and goods. She waled out of court and straight over to Primark where she got caught shoplifting, lesson learned I don't think so.
I would wait until you see what the parents do, as household insurance should cover this for them anyway. They may well be mortified and do what is right, to me it would be more about how they deal with it than the money as he may be a dumb kid who made a mistake and they might punish him appropriately.
If not then I would push charges at the very least he will see no crime goes away easily.
As for the police response, it is hard. There simply are not enough police to do the job so they have to prioritise, the 999 handler may not have explained it properly.
In my case the police did what they could, told me what they couldn't do and then the CPS showed to me why some police do not bother. They wanted to deal with a £25k crime by me agreeing to her having a telling off basically, I did not agree but for all the good it did in the end.
This is why these lads think they can get away with it as too many want to excuse these things too easily.
I was burgled, I tracked down the culprit and she was sent to court. A slap on the wrist for over £25k damage and goods. She waled out of court and straight over to Primark where she got caught shoplifting, lesson learned I don't think so.
I would wait until you see what the parents do, as household insurance should cover this for them anyway. They may well be mortified and do what is right, to me it would be more about how they deal with it than the money as he may be a dumb kid who made a mistake and they might punish him appropriately.
If not then I would push charges at the very least he will see no crime goes away easily.
As for the police response, it is hard. There simply are not enough police to do the job so they have to prioritise, the 999 handler may not have explained it properly.
In my case the police did what they could, told me what they couldn't do and then the CPS showed to me why some police do not bother. They wanted to deal with a £25k crime by me agreeing to her having a telling off basically, I did not agree but for all the good it did in the end.
Heaveho said:
Jonno02 said:
Does anybody really give a fk? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.
Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a st about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.
Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
Bingo, an accurate post.k? Lets see your 1 year old Porsche vandalised, you have the perp and you think "oh wait, there's more important stuff for the police to be doing, on your way you little torag." No. Not going to happen.Easy to sit behind your computer and not give a s
t about somebody elses car. Of course you're going to be angry and be even more angry when the police turn up for the wrong reason.Get over yourselves, seriously. It's beyond ridiculous that people on this forum only want the 'technical victory' points. Yes, the report of a youth being 'assaulted' by an older man might be more important. But is that going to sit well with the OP when he's holding onto the little scrote that's just damaged his 1 year old car and the police turn up to protect the little knob? No. Some people.
Best reply of the yearI would wait for the police to sort out the cash from the Father, who being a single parent in a council flat will still have money for fags, booze, Sky sports and the latest Iphone. I know many people like this.
The father is now taking the pi55 out of you as he told the police he grounded him but you know for a fact that he has not.
I would get the money (fingers crossed) thank the police and then tell the police you want charges pressed. The police will try and confuse you between a civil matter and the law but they cant have it both ways.
The father is now taking the pi55 out of you as he told the police he grounded him but you know for a fact that he has not.
I would get the money (fingers crossed) thank the police and then tell the police you want charges pressed. The police will try and confuse you between a civil matter and the law but they cant have it both ways.
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