13 year old runs over wife's Porsche

[Bigends]

Ki3r said:

chippy348 said:

Thought I would do a small up-date.

So the PC dealing with it finally turned up after chasing him for 3 days Via 101 (no other means of contact) Turns out we have no crime number (101 says we must have) the reason for no crime number as “it is not a crime yet” according to the PC.

He looks at the quote from porsche and then says they will need proof the dent was not there before hand ! I swear you could not make this up.

Fortunately it was in Porsche for its service 2 weeks ago and as part of the service they check the car for damage and provide a signed job sheet, there was no damaged reported. Without this we would be screwed.

We are now waiting to see if the parents are going to cough up and pay.

First part is bks, its criminal damage! If you have said its happened it needs to be recorded as a crime (criminal damage), then if its proved it hasn't happened they can get the crime cancelled as such.

Exactly this - record to investigate - not investigate to record. If the OP reports a crime and theres no credible evidence to the contrary that no crime occured, then the allegation must be record. The cops talking out of his ar*e. If that call gets picked up during an audit - theyll be looking for the crime report

[Byker28i]

Andehh said:

mikeveal said:

chippy348 said:

Thought I would do a small up-date.

So the PC dealing with it finally turned up after chasing him for 3 days Via 101 (no other means of contact) Turns out we have no crime number (101 says we must have) the reason for no crime number as “it is not a crime yet” according to the PC.

Sod that. It's a crime, demand a crime number.
1/ The Police have to count it.
2/ Arriving at small claims court with a crime reference number to back up your claim has got to add weight to your case.

Agree on both accounts there! This is why * every* issue you have, that you believe is illegal, needs to be reported - it goes into the Crime Numbers.


Wife's parents both had their cars keyed in the local Train station car park. Neither reported it to the police as they knew nothing would be done about it. Issue is - if everyone took that approach we wouldn't have a police force as ''No crimes have ever been reported''.

Small one off issues won't get much attention, but if a dozen small issues are reported in an area - the Police have no choice but to look into it - if only to stop their figures getting screwed!


edit: +1 on on an appalling response from the police, ''prove it wasn't there before''!?!? How many people manage to dent their roof??

Not surprised. Had a OAP knock over my motorbike whilst parked, then drive off. I chased caught him up, he wouldn't give details. Reported to the police who's attitude was, "well you've got insurance haven't you?"

[xjay1337]

chippy348 said:

Thought I would do a small up-date.

So the PC dealing with it finally turned up after chasing him for 3 days Via 101 (no other means of contact) Turns out we have no crime number (101 says we must have) the reason for no crime number as “it is not a crime yet” according to the PC.

He looks at the quote from porsche and then says they will need proof the dent was not there before hand ! I swear you could not make this up.

Fortunately it was in Porsche for its service 2 weeks ago and as part of the service they check the car for damage and provide a signed job sheet, there was no damaged reported. Without this we would be screwed.

We are now waiting to see if the parents are going to cough up and pay.

nightmare.
Can you complaint to IPC for the lack of a crime number and them telling you "it's not a crime"...criminal damage is a crime.

[Retroman]

Byker28i said:

Not surprised. Had a OAP knock over my motorbike whilst parked, then drive off. I chased caught him up, he wouldn't give details. Reported to the police who's attitude was, "well you've got insurance haven't you?"

Just tell them you've pulled him out the car and battered him unconscious and they'll be there rapidly.

[singlecoil]

bad company said:

chippy348 said:

Thought I would do a small up-date.

He looks at the quote from porsche and then says they will need proof the dent was not there before hand ! I swear you could not make this up.

Fortunately it was in Porsche for its service 2 weeks ago and as part of the service they check the car for damage and provide a signed job sheet, there was no damaged reported. Without this we would be screwed.

How do you prove a negative? To be picky the dent could have been caused the day before.

Indeed. OP has a suspect but needs to be able to prove that the suspect caused the damage he's accused of, beyond reasonable doubt.

[xjay1337]

singlecoil said:

Indeed. OP has a suspect but needs to be able to prove that the suspect caused the damage he's accused of, beyond reasonable doubt.

Reasonably doubt that the kid didn't run over his car??

[singlecoil]

xjay1337 said:

singlecoil said:

Indeed. OP has a suspect but needs to be able to prove that the suspect caused the damage he's accused of, beyond reasonable doubt.

Reasonably doubt that the kid didn't run over his car??

It's right there in my post that you quoted, 'caused the damage'.

[Pothole]

singlecoil said:

xjay1337 said:

singlecoil said:

Indeed. OP has a suspect but needs to be able to prove that the suspect caused the damage he's accused of, beyond reasonable doubt.

Reasonably doubt that the kid didn't run over his car??

It's right there in my post that you quoted, 'caused the damage'.

OP doesn't need to prove anything. His local police need to investigate and present a case which proves it.

[singlecoil]

Pothole said:

singlecoil said:

xjay1337 said:

singlecoil said:

Indeed. OP has a suspect but needs to be able to prove that the suspect caused the damage he's accused of, beyond reasonable doubt.

Reasonably doubt that the kid didn't run over his car??

It's right there in my post that you quoted, 'caused the damage'.

OP doesn't need to prove anything. His local police need to investigate and present a case which proves it.

Evidently his local police don't see any 'need' at all.

I wouldn't want to be in the OP's position either, but was simply pointing out that criminal cases need to be proved beyond reasonable doubt, and the fact that it can't be clearly demonstrated that the alleged offence caused the damage is going to be enough to persuade the CPS not to proceed.

[Pothole]

I must have missed your post where you told us you had joined the CPS...

Assuming the scrote admitted his offence to the officer who turned up I can see no issue with the CPS should it even need to go to court. This will only be necessary should the parents turn out to be scum.

[singlecoil]

Pothole said:

I must have missed your post where you told us you had joined the CPS...

AIUI the CPS will only pursue cases where there's a reasonable chance of success and where there's a public need. I'd be very surprised indeed if they prosecuted this case. Do you think it's likely that they would?

Pothole said:

Assuming the scrote admitted his offence to the officer who turned up I can see no issue with the CPS should it even need to go to court. This will only be necessary should the parents turn out to be scum.

See my first reply.

[contractor]

chippy348 said:

Thought I would do a small up-date.

So the PC dealing with it finally turned up after chasing him for 3 days Via 101 (no other means of contact) Turns out we have no crime number (101 says we must have) the reason for no crime number as “it is not a crime yet” according to the PC.

He looks at the quote from porsche and then says they will need proof the dent was not there before hand ! I swear you could not make this up.

Fortunately it was in Porsche for its service 2 weeks ago and as part of the service they check the car for damage and provide a signed job sheet, there was no damaged reported. Without this we would be screwed.

We are now waiting to see if the parents are going to cough up and pay.

Ffs unbelievable. Didn't you say one of the tts videoed it? It'll be on FB or SC or another sm site somewhere.

Get him done and go all civil claims on the parents.

[JuniorD]

When I was a youngster (7 or 8) my best mate had a thing about running over cars. I saw him do it three or four times.

Then when I was in my late teens I had an acquintance who was known to hop upon car bonnets and defacate on their windscreens.

Am Not really in touch with either any more except through social media but The first lad is now a consultant pathologist and the second one is now consultant surgeon. Cool story bro etc.

[PAULJ5555]

OP posted this on the 10th, its now the 25th.

Have the police actually done anything, has the parent offered any help/apology?

[Tony33]

If you are a celebrity and catch and detain a teenager in the act of crime it seems you may get a better response:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-397035...

[twoblacklines]

Don't blame the Police, blame all the car owners who falsely accuse teenagers of damaging their cars when in fact they did it somehow.

When I was young I had no pocket money for 3 months because someones kid accused me of puncturing their football, they demanded my parents buy them an £80 one as a replacement (the ball that got punctured cost about £3) or they would phone the Police. No idea why but my parents, who told me they knew I had not done it, paid up then made me pay for it...

I guess a good lesson in that people are ****'s was learnt by an 8 year old me.

[bad company]

twoblacklines said:

Don't blame the Police, blame all the car owners who falsely accuse teenagers of damaging their cars when in fact they did it somehow.

When I was young I had no pocket money for 3 months because someones kid accused me of puncturing their football, they demanded my parents buy them an £80 one as a replacement (the ball that got punctured cost about £3) or they would phone the Police. No idea why but my parents, who told me they knew I had not done it, paid up then made me pay for it...

I guess a good lesson in that people are ****'s was learnt by an 8 year old me.

Bad luck that your parents didn't believe you but your experience is hardly typical.

Get over it.

Edited by bad company on Wednesday 26th April 22:37

[davamer23]

£80 footballs don't exist, your parents were robbed. More fool them for paying.

[PAULJ5555]

davamer23 said:

£80 footballs don't exist, your parents were robbed. More fool them for paying.

Your parents should have called to police for being robbed.

[joshcowin]

davamer23 said:

£80 footballs don't exist, your parents were robbed. More fool them for paying.

They do exist

http://www.prodirectsoccer.com/lists/footballs-foo...