Caught doing 88MPH in a 50

[HJMS123]

agtlaw said:

The maximum fine is £2500. £400 is 16% of the maximum. Way off "obviously ... right at the top end." You were told on page 1 of this thread how the fine would be assessed.

Correct decision to deal with this case online / by post. Generally speaking, do not attend court unless you have to.

I've just went to page 1 of the thread and I didn't see/read your post until now! Thanks for taking the time to post, it's appreciated. I was actually discussing with my dad about potentially borrowing some money so I could get you on board as you were recommended on the thread by somebody else.

I made a few points when completing the plea such as I need to be able to travel for my job and that I'm a single mortgage/bill payer and a loss off licence would put my job at risk etc. I was honest and sincere without begging which I think helped my case.

[zarjaz1991]

Well, let that be a lesson to you.

The authorities have TOLD you they won't tolerate speeding offences of any sort.

Next time, try a street mugging or a house burglary, ideally while the owners are asleep, leaving them traumatised for life. The police won't give a toss, and even if they do, the court will merely give you a conditional discharge so you can "turn your life around".

But speeding? You've gone against the two big issues here..."speed kills" and also "save the polar bears". A poor decision for a career in crime.

[mattfuey]

zarjaz1991 said:

Well, let that be a lesson to you.

The authorities have TOLD you they won't tolerate speeding offences of any sort.

Next time, try a street mugging or a house burglary, ideally while the owners are asleep, leaving them traumatised for life. The police won't give a toss, and even if they do, the court will merely give you a conditional discharge so you can "turn your life around".

But speeding? You've gone against the two big issues here..."speed kills" and also "save the polar bears". A poor decision for a career in crime.

[anonymous-user]

HJMS123 said:

I was actually in my previous car (Fiesta ST) when I was caught, 4 days before the Scirocco was delivered and I didn't get the notice through until 2-3 weeks after the new one was delivered. I genuinely wasn't aware the speed limit had dropped due to lack of concentration, I can hardly remember the journey! I had a mate in the car and we were heading to Liverpool from Coventry having spent the best part of 2 hours on the M6 with the cruise control at 50 through the average speed and when I finally got off it I wanted to make some progress and neither of us noticed the drop from 70MPH to 50 as we would have been chatting. Annoying as it would have bene the highest speed I was traveliing the whole journey and it was just as I hit the 50

In all honesty, after reading that, I think a substantial ban might have been the best thing all round. Especially for other road users.

[KevinCamaroSS]

MikeGoodwin said:

T 88 in a 50 is nothing in an average hot hatch these days. A golf r will hit 100 in a quick squirt

Only if the driver is stupid enough to try it. We all know the rules and the consequences of breaking it.

[ojoman]

REALIST123 said:

In all honesty, after reading that, I think a substantial ban might have been the best thing all round. Especially for other road users.

It is a sensible 50 as, approaching the end of the motorway, there is a significant gradient and a road entering on the left which is obscured by the hill. Not so much a slip-road, either. It is also pretty well signposted.

[TheInsanity1234]

cmaguire said:

battered said:

cmaguire said:

The 88 in a 50 is a minor discretion, it's a Motorway so shouldn't have a 50 limit in the first place and would have an 80 if we applied some sense.

Know that bit of road do you? No? Then you know nothing about it, though you seem to think that 88 is a safe speed.

cmaguire said:

And if wasters think that having no incomes absolves them of any comeback for 'real' crimes then I wouldn't complain if the birch was dusted off, or if that upsets you we can stick them in the stocks and throw vegetables at them. Too many losers use their position in society as a sympathy vote to excuse their actions, which might occasionally be justified but rather too many times their own actions (or lack of) put them there in the first place.

You're a loony. When do you suggest we bring back crucifixion? It's the best thing the Romans ever did for us! Nail 'em up I say! NAIL some sense into 'em!

I don't know whether I know that stretch or not, I haven't bothered to look, and won't, because it's irrelevant and I don't care. I drive for work and it's entirely possible that I have driven that stretch.
The limit here is 70, and has been for some time. Personally I think that's way too slow, but I'd concede 80. It's not my choice though, and 70 it is. Unless it's a Smart (read Dumb) Motorway of course. Either way, if the limit is 70, it isn't mandatory to be doing 70 and once upon a time drivers were actually expected to think whilst driving and adapt their driving (all on their own) to suit the circumstances. Miraculously, this system managed to work (against all the odds apparently) for a long time, until certain enlightened individuals (read 'pillocks') decided free thinking was counter-productive. Cue 'Smart Motorways'. Is this stretch of the M62 one of those? It would appear so. Is it safe to do 88 on this particular stretch? I expect so, most of the time. Whether it was when the OP did so I have no idea, but I'm OK with him and others making that decision for themselves.
Unlike you, apparently.

And there's a fair distance between giving a waster a slap and cruxifying them.

The M62 where the camera which caught him is, it's about a 1/3rd of a mile from a really sharp right bend with a very stupidly short sliproad throwing local traffic on to the bend, and to compound matters further, the bend is immediately after a sudden drop down from the fly over to ground level. In busy times, the road can appear perfectly clear up to that sharp drop, where you'll suddenly see a wall of traffic as cars slow down to avoid people jumping from the slip road to the third lane. 60ish is okay, nearly 90 is not sensible. If you're doing 80 odd at this point then by god I hope you can brake super fkin quickly.

REALIST123 said:

HJMS123 said:

I was actually in my previous car (Fiesta ST) when I was caught, 4 days before the Scirocco was delivered and I didn't get the notice through until 2-3 weeks after the new one was delivered. I genuinely wasn't aware the speed limit had dropped due to lack of concentration, I can hardly remember the journey! I had a mate in the car and we were heading to Liverpool from Coventry having spent the best part of 2 hours on the M6 with the cruise control at 50 through the average speed and when I finally got off it I wanted to make some progress and neither of us noticed the drop from 70MPH to 50 as we would have been chatting. Annoying as it would have bene the highest speed I was traveliing the whole journey and it was just as I hit the 50

In all honesty, after reading that, I think a substantial ban might have been the best thing all round. Especially for other road users.

I really don't know how you managed to miss the signs, they are incredibly obvious and there are 3 easily seen from any lane unless a lorry is in L1, then in which case you still should be able to see the one on the right.

[BlueFiestaST]

Definitely should have seen the signs
And the people braking for the camera

I'm actually surprised that the camera worked though. I drive through it everyday and see cars doing 60+ and the camera doesn't flash.
Did it flash for you?

It's sensible for the speed to be 50 though and then 40 a few seconds later.
At peak times it is backed up there.

3 points is costing me £200 this year however i'm unsure how much of that increase is due to the amount of Fiesta ST thefts there have been in the past 12 months.

Enjoy the Scirocco. Mrs loves them

[Sa Calobra]

I think we need a permanent​ camera at the end of the M56 where it also sliproads' to the M60. Certain drivers can be doing c90 towards that mixed in with the rapid 50-40-30 limit. Plenty of times I've seen drivers well over 50 even though it's a 3 lane section of the M56.

It's a big accident waiting to happen.

At least the OP isn't shouting scamera. So I think he'll be just fine.

[Pica-Pica]

HJMS123 said:

Had a letter informing me I was caught doing 88MPH in a 50MPH area on the M62 Westbound heading into Liverpool the other week ... I think it may have been this camera https://www.speedcamerasuk.com/database/NWM/nwm047...

Am I right in thinking 6 points and a hefty fine (up to 175% of my weekly net income) is best case scenario but there is a chance I could be banned for a small period of time? I've never had any points previously or attended a speed awareness course.

Edited by HJMS123 on Wednesday 12th April 10:14

Not really any excuse. The M62 goes from 70 (NSL) down to 50, with 300, 200, &100 yard countdown markers, VERY clearly shown, even then the camera is a good 200 yards after that.
Before that it was 60mph then 40mph, and then a sneaky speed camera, that at that time was the most lucrative in the U.K.

[Pica-Pica]

cmaguire said:

battered said:

Top marks for getting corporal punishment into a thread about speeding. Good idea though, that'll sort these irresponsible bds out. What do you reckon for 88 in a 50, 6 of the best or would you go the full 50 lashes while strapped to a wheel?
I was talking about something different, the point that if a fine is to be effective it has to be related to a person's ability to pay. The general notion is that you should fine someone a week, or 2 weeks, or a month's salary. Burglars aren't from the wealthier parts of society, many are under 16, many on benefits, so they've got £2500 like I have £1M and a Ferrari on the drive. What are you going to do, take it off their benefits at £10 a week for the next 5 years? An effective sentence has to hit all offenders equally hard, hence the difficulties with fining footballers. A man in a £20k car can *probably* afford a fine.

As for being persecuted for minor indiscretions, I don't call 88 in a 50 a minor indiscretion. I've done 20K miles in the last year, my minor indiscretions have resulted in persecution to the tune of, erm, nil. Unless you count the Dartford Crossing at £2.50 a time.

The 88 in a 50 is a minor discretion, it's a Motorway so shouldn't have a 50 limit in the first place and would have an 80 if we applied some sense.

And if wasters think that having no incomes absolves them of any comeback for 'real' crimes then I wouldn't complain if the birch was dusted off, or if that upsets you we can stick them in the stocks and throw vegetables at them. Too many losers use their position in society as a sympathy vote to excuse their actions, which might occasionally be justified but rather too many times their own actions (or lack of) put them there in the first place.

This is the western end of the M62, it slows to 50mph, clearly marked 300,200,100 yards, camera a further 100 or so yards. The M62 ends then and turns into a dual carriageway with a 40mph limit, and then traffic lightsat the ring road. The 50mph is fully justified IMHO as the road is coming to a stop. There are clear countdown markers to the 50mph sign.

[BlueFiestaST]

I looked earlier today.
There are 4 50 mph signs 30 seconds before the camera.

[HJMS123]

Thought I'd update the thread to give others who were interested the outcome and I get a load of 'wise' men tellingme how I should have slowed down in time and saw the signs

'The speed limit should be raised to modern standards'
'I've been shafted'
'It shouldn't have been a 50'
'I should have got away with just 3 points'

All would have been valid points to receive abuse but I've admitted to being in the wrong from the start and that I'm lucky to still have my licence. I hope it brightened up your miserable days anyway

[Durzel]

You've done everything except say what the outcome was, unless I'm going blind?

[Mammasaid]

Durzel said:

You've done everything except say what the outcome was, unless I'm going blind?

Yes you are, OP updated with the outcome on the 27th June.

[xjay1337]

See here...

HJMS123 said:

Thought I'd update this for others, I was summoned to court and chose not to appear in person with it being so far away and seemingly making no difference according to other posters in this thread.

I 'got away' with 6 points and a £568 fine for which I'm grateful. Being 24 and driving a high powered hot hatch a ban would have meant it would genuinely be impossible for me to get insurance. It's also a lease car (only 3 months old) so it's not as if I could have just sold it and downgraded, I'm sure the increase come renewal next year will be severe enough

[Kinky]

Durzel said:

You've done everything except say what the outcome was, unless I'm going blind?

Going blind

[Sa Calobra]

HJMS123 said:

Thought I'd update the thread to give others who were interested the outcome and I get a load of 'wise' men tellingme how I should have slowed down in time and saw the signs

'The speed limit should be raised to modern standards'
'I've been shafted'
'It shouldn't have been a 50'
'I should have got away with just 3 points'

All would have been valid points to receive abuse but I've admitted to being in the wrong from the start and that I'm lucky to still have my licence. I hope it brightened up your miserable days anyway

Righty oh

[alfie2244]

Just a little rant of my own if I may OP

M20 last Thursday..road clear as a bell with clear view far ahead..............variable speed signs come on 50MPH.........I slow down but still lots of cars whizzing past..........clear 50MPH area with absolutely no sign of why the limit was in place.

Today.........notice of prosecution 58MPH in a 50MPH...nice little money earner I would say....1st points ever in 40 yrs of driving...........grrrrrrrrrrr...Rant over sorry for the thread drift.

[Pica-Pica]

alfie2244 said:

Just a little rant of my own if I may OP

M20 last Thursday..road clear as a bell with clear view far ahead..............variable speed signs come on 50MPH.........I slow down but still lots of cars whizzing past..........clear 50MPH area with absolutely no sign of why the limit was in place.

Today.........notice of prosecution 58MPH in a 50MPH...nice little money earner I would say....1st points ever in 40 yrs of driving...........grrrrrrrrrrr...Rant over sorry for the thread drift.

The overhead sign said ?? You were doing ???. Someone (police, highway) may have had to cross the carriageway to clear debris, s/he only needs a few seconds, but does need protection (or do you not think so?)