Drive getting redone bloke not turned up

Drive getting redone bloke not turned up

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alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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Mojooo said:
8k for that drive to be done from scratch sounds way too high.

5k all in sounds pretty top end for me.

I would get another quote anyway if I was OP.
I think OP should take m3jappa up on his kind offer.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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wjwren said:
The original bloke text me today asking me when am i going to transfer the money to him for the blocks! Tried calling but he is very shy for some reason on the phone.

I will be taking my time on making any decisions
Jesus Christ!!

joshcowin

6,815 posts

177 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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Granted I am in the SE but when I price driveways they usually start around £80per m2, this is for a quality insured Ltd company to carry out the job. If you want a decent quality finish with no 'extras' I would budget around 6K-7K.

m3jappa is your man to listen to on here, he is accredited and having looked at his work it looks top notch.

wjwren

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4,484 posts

136 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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Would you bother with a money claim online at him? Il write a letter first and follow procedure etc but I can imagine his answer already.

The address he gave me he lives at, though he is not on the electoral roll there, it looks like his girlfriends house.


Buzz84

1,148 posts

150 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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Did you or your builder sort planning permission for your drive?

After 2008 all new areas of drive are required to be of permeable construction, the area of grass dug up would class as new - doing it how it looks on your pictures then the builder needs to use MOT Type 3 (material with no fines, so water can drain through), special permeable blocks (that provide 6mm spacings between), granite chippings instead of sand (again to let water through).


Block paving using standard blocks, MOT type 1 and Sand are not classed as permeable, if the surface is non permeable then the council can allow it if there are other provisions for dealing with the water on site and not by directing it to storm water drains - like building in soak away crates underneath the drive and draining all water from none permeable blocks into them.

http://www.drivewayexpert.co.uk/new-regulations-fo...
http://www.pavingexpert.com/permeable04.htm

cossy400

3,170 posts

185 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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wjwren said:
Would you bother with a money claim online at him? Il write a letter first and follow procedure etc but I can imagine his answer already.

The address he gave me he lives at, though he is not on the electoral roll there, it looks like his girlfriends house.
I'd write to him but as you ve said, you already know the answer.

This chap that's been round has said he's got to dig it off and basically restart the job.

Is he not planning on reusing some of the stone that's already down?

My drive was was ripped up and tarmac ed as we didn't want bricks but tarmac alone was 4 grand and a few kerb stones and a water grid thing at the bottom of the drive.


Sa Calobra

37,209 posts

212 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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You need to be clear and firm with him. You've paid him money for what? A mess and it's not been even completed correctly. Spell it all out clearly. I'd be fuming at this stage. I had a Plumber who decided to show when he wanted and a 2 week job turned into 5 and counting. I told him no more money and goodbye.

Greendubber

13,231 posts

204 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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Just tell him to f#ck off and chalk it up to experience.

Get some more quotes, at least 3 and go from there.

photosnob

1,339 posts

119 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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wjwren said:
Would you bother with a money claim online at him? Il write a letter first and follow procedure etc but I can imagine his answer already.

The address he gave me he lives at, though he is not on the electoral roll there, it looks like his girlfriends house.
Wouldn't waste my time. Another workman has already said he's done a grands worth of work (5k vs 4k job). I'd just take the hit and move on. Even if you "win" you will struggle to get money from him. Life is too short.


hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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photosnob said:
wjwren said:
Would you bother with a money claim online at him? Il write a letter first and follow procedure etc but I can imagine his answer already.

The address he gave me he lives at, though he is not on the electoral roll there, it looks like his girlfriends house.
Wouldn't waste my time. Another workman has already said he's done a grands worth of work (5k vs 4k job). I'd just take the hit and move on. Even if you "win" you will struggle to get money from him. Life is too short.
Yeah he could argue away that you've paid for the work he's done. Personally I'd drop it and go with the new guy.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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I don't think you will get a penny back so I would just chalk it up to experience.in fact you got off lightly as it could have been a real disaster if he finished / continued and you paid him even more money!!!!

But you might want to send him something like this?

Dear Mr Bodger

I have taken professional advice and have been advised that the standard of the works carried out by yourself to date are totally unacceptable and not to the required standards of construction.

In brief:

1. insufficient ground has been excavated to be able to achieve an eventual finished level of 150mm below DPC as per required standards

2. Hardcore fill for trafficked areas should be 150mm and you have only placed 75mm which again does not conform to required standards.

Given the above and your continued failures to attend site and progress the works in a professional manner I consider you to have breached our contract and have absolutely no faith in your abilities to complete the works in a professional and timely manner.

However as a gesture of good faith (without prejudice) I am happy to pay you for: (subject to sight of invoices / receipts)

a) The hire of the excavator. £150?

b) The cost of taking away excavated material. £250?

c) The cost of stone / hardcore delivered. £200

Total £600?

Please deduct these monies from those I have paid you ( £1200?) and refund the balance of (£600?) within 7 days of this letter. For the avoidance of doubt please be advised that I do not wish you to carry out any further works and reserve the right to take legal action should the monies not be repaid in full.

Yours Mr Pi.sdoff.

Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 5th May 14:03


Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 5th May 14:06

wjwren

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4,484 posts

136 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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Great letter alfie!!



He has just called me! I had a rant and said

You never turn up or let me know, countless excuses as to why you cant come, poor quality of work, sending the blocks to my house without even lettign me know they are on the way, let alone they are not even paid for! He said he had money issues and didnt know why i was annoyed as i had to have the blocks anyway. I said i gave you the money for the blocks 3 weeks ago and you said ud bought them and had an invoice - phone went quiet. He said maybe he could of communicated better with me. He said he had been fined £50 by the merchants for a wasted deliver, i said no you havent as ive just spoken to them and the manager said you havent been in contact at all let alone any talk of a fine. He said they dont "fine" people.

He said check my fb page out loads of good reviews on there, i said they are all your friends. Line went quiet again.

He said have a think about it.

10 mins went and i got this text

Just forget it we have no trust get someone else to finish your drive we have no trust so get someone else in.


so to sum up, the bloke is a tosser, total liar/shyster and crap at his job.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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Nothing will happen but just in case I would confirm the conversation and use my letter as a template then and send recorded....you dodged a bullet there.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

119 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
You need to be clear and firm with him. You've paid him money for what? A mess and it's not been even completed correctly. Spell it all out clearly. I'd be fuming at this stage. I had a Plumber who decided to show when he wanted and a 2 week job turned into 5 and counting. I told him no more money and goodbye.
This had been suggested before but alas...

Fireblade69

628 posts

204 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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I feel for you, thankfully I have family in the trade (no caravans involved) so they can clue me up on good & bad practices. Someone mentioned it earlier in the thread but I didn't see it mentioned again but I take it that the drop kerb paperwork with the local CC has all been done for the crossover? That and the building regs for the work as it is close to the property and you are also removing drainage area (grass). All these things came up on mine in my last house. I even had the building inspector round to check the works twice but one of those times was to approve an LDPM layer as it came above DPM.

wjwren

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4,484 posts

136 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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No he hadnt consulted any building control including the kerb.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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Buy cheap, buy twice.

Fireblade69

628 posts

204 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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No doubt you've looked but here you go just in case.

https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/transport/staffsh...

Adrian E

3,248 posts

177 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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wjwren said:
No he hadnt consulted any building control including the kerb.
Round here if you want a dropped kerb, or to modify an existing one, there's a process to go through which is relatively painless but involves the county council's own contractors doing the kerb changes.

Assuming your drive doesn't require planning permission from your district council (ignoring the dropped kerb) then as long as you can access it off your existing dropped kerb and it's suitably drained then I don't think there's an issue (AFAIK and I'm sure will be corrected if it's not!)

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Friday 5th May 2017
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No existing dropped kerb where car is parked in photo????? Not seen mentioned that kerb has been altered or extended in any way....did i miss that?