EV clamped for no tax
Discussion
98elise said:
Why? MOT and Insurance are electronic so there should be no need for tax @0 to check.
The rather obvious point being missed is that you don't need insurance if the car is declared SORN (and kept off the road), so they need to know whether the car is being used or not. It takes a couple of minutes to do, and costs nothing so why are people making such a fuss?TooMany2cvs said:
768 said:
Eh? Is it easier for millions of drivers to unreliably do something or not every year, or for who/whatever is checking to use a system that does a database lookup at near zero cost and near perfect accuracy?
This year - my car costs money for VED. Next year - it's 40, so it's free.This year - band A is £0 VED. Next year - it's gone up to £20.
Should the entire process change for those vehicles?
If so, unless there's a good reason I'm just not aware of, I can't see any reason no to. It seems about the most trivial change you could make to any process. If it stops people getting cars clamped just because that's how the system always worked it seems crazy not to.
768 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
768 said:
Eh? Is it easier for millions of drivers to unreliably do something or not every year, or for who/whatever is checking to use a system that does a database lookup at near zero cost and near perfect accuracy?
This year - my car costs money for VED. Next year - it's 40, so it's free.This year - band A is £0 VED. Next year - it's gone up to £20.
Should the entire process change for those vehicles?
Currently, there's no change to the process. You do the same thing each year.
If £0 VED cars just totally bypassed the whole VED system, then the keeper would have a totally different process to follow should the car become/cease to be £0.
768 said:
You mean not going through a payment process when there's no fee required?
You don't go through a "payment process" currently for £0 VED cars.Let's say band A goes from £0 to £20 next year. On the day that that took effect, EVERY SINGLE Band A vehicle keeper would have to either tax or SORN their car, if they currently bypassed the whole process.
Basically, it comes down to people thinking "Ooh, VED exempt" when they aren't - they're £0 VED. It's clearer if you think about older cars. Pre-1960 MOT exemption is an exemption - you never need to do anything. Historic VED is not an exemption, it's £0, as is Band A for <100g/km.
768 said:
Antony Moxey said:
They do, but should anyone need to check the status of your car then should they assume that because you haven't paid anything you're zero rated? Or is it easier for the driver to fill out a form online once a year that takes literally no more than a minute or two. Some people appear intent on finding problems just for the sake of it.
Eh? Is it easier for millions of drivers to unreliably do something or not every year, or for who/whatever is checking to use a system that does a database lookup at near zero cost and near perfect accuracy?TooMany2cvs said:
Let's say band A goes from £0 to £20 next year. On the day that that took effect, EVERY SINGLE Band A vehicle keeper would have to either tax or SORN their car, if they currently bypassed the whole process.
Couldn't you simply, if it's not SORN, treat it as effectively taxed at £0 from a given date (initial sale, last tax period paid, whatever is appropriate) and send out the tax due letter a month in advance whenever their £0 year(s) runs out after such a change.Even if you did just have EVERY SINGLE Band A vehicle keeper taxing their car for the same date that could be done over the month in advance and during any grace period. I can't see any great drama there.
Antony Moxey said:
768 said:
Antony Moxey said:
They do, but should anyone need to check the status of your car then should they assume that because you haven't paid anything you're zero rated? Or is it easier for the driver to fill out a form online once a year that takes literally no more than a minute or two. Some people appear intent on finding problems just for the sake of it.
Eh? Is it easier for millions of drivers to unreliably do something or not every year, or for who/whatever is checking to use a system that does a database lookup at near zero cost and near perfect accuracy?vsonix said:
BlueMR2 said:
From that check its not got an MOT either.
yeah, shouldn't it have one after three years? So we've got a car with no insurance, no MOT - and people are saying it's SOOOO unfair that the keeper has to jump through that trivial VED hoop...
768 said:
Couldn't you simply, if it's not SORN, treat it as effectively taxed at £0 from a given date (initial sale, last tax period paid, whatever is appropriate) and send out the tax due letter a month in advance whenever their £0 year(s) runs out after such a change.
Even if you did just have EVERY SINGLE Band A vehicle keeper taxing their car for the same date that could be done over the month in advance and during any grace period. I can't see any great drama there.
What is "it" and who is treating "it"?Even if you did just have EVERY SINGLE Band A vehicle keeper taxing their car for the same date that could be done over the month in advance and during any grace period. I can't see any great drama there.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Police in car systems probably tell them that a car either has tax or it doesn't, not what band the car is in (which could change), not how much they should be paying (which could change), etc.
The guy you were replying to made a very good point in so much as if everyone currently in Band A paying nothing for tax didn't have to bother going through the motions the same as everyone else, then if/when the government decided to abolish Band A, change the parameters of it, or charge for it - everyone who previously has never bothered to go through the process of taxing their car, because they were exempt from the process, would be untaxed - since there would be no expiry date for something they've never had to apply for - and would immediately have to do it. There would have to be a nationwide advertising campaign, letters, etc telling people about it. Even with that you'd still get legions of people falling foul of the change for all the usual reasons - inertia, ignorance, stupidity, etc.
I honestly don't get why people seem to want to overcomplicate a very simple and effective system with something that is fraught with operational issues?
I imagine it must take all of about 5 minutes to apply for tax for a Band A car currently, since no payment is required.
CanAm said:
andy_s said:
Yes, but not at a glance like a tax disc, which also shows insurance is covered.
No it doesn't (or rather, didn't). It shows it was insured on the day the tax was due but not, for example, a week later.Mr2Mike said:
Cliftonite said:
No check is now made as to whether a vehicle is insured when an application is made to 'tax' it. Validity of MoT IS still checked electronically, though.
When was this changed?https://online.postoffice.co.uk/webApp/CarTax?camp...
TooMany2cvs said:
December 2013.
https://online.postoffice.co.uk/webApp/CarTax?camp...
What I meant was It used to be checked at the time of application when applying online, did that change at the same time?https://online.postoffice.co.uk/webApp/CarTax?camp...
Mr2Mike said:
TooMany2cvs said:
December 2013.
https://online.postoffice.co.uk/webApp/CarTax?camp...
What I meant was It used to be checked at the time of application when applying online, did that change at the same time?https://online.postoffice.co.uk/webApp/CarTax?camp...
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