Police motorway speed tolerance

Police motorway speed tolerance

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Cold

15,247 posts

90 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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Some modern cars (such as VAG or Mazda etc) have adaptive headlights that are more than just a load level reaction.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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Cold said:
Some modern cars (such as VAG or Mazda etc) have adaptive headlights that are more than just a load level reaction.
Lovely, an' all...

But...
BusaMK said:
I turn my headlights down to reduce glare

Countdown

39,891 posts

196 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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Wacky Racer said:
Anyone who overtakes a police car doing "around" 70mph is asking for trouble (imo)

The UK speed limit is 70mph not 73/5/8 whatever.

Were you really in that much of a rush you had to overtake him?
IME they're normally doing 65mph and it's quite possible to go past them without expecting to be pulled.

catman

2,490 posts

175 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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Countdown said:
Wacky Racer said:
Anyone who overtakes a police car doing "around" 70mph is asking for trouble (imo)

The UK speed limit is 70mph not 73/5/8 whatever.

Were you really in that much of a rush you had to overtake him?
IME they're normally doing 65mph and it's quite possible to go past them without expecting to be pulled.
If I come upon a Police car doing 65 mph in a 70 mph limit, I treat them exactly the same as any other car and overtake them... And the train of cars queueing behind them!

Tim

HTP99

22,552 posts

140 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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catman said:
Countdown said:
Wacky Racer said:
Anyone who overtakes a police car doing "around" 70mph is asking for trouble (imo)

The UK speed limit is 70mph not 73/5/8 whatever.

Were you really in that much of a rush you had to overtake him?
IME they're normally doing 65mph and it's quite possible to go past them without expecting to be pulled.
If I come upon a Police car doing 65 mph in a 70 mph limit, I treat them exactly the same as any other car and overtake them... And the train of cars queueing behind them!

Tim
It always amazes me how many people will sit behind a Police car, which is doing below the legal limit on a motorway or dual carriageway, I always breeze past doing over the limit and have never been stopped.

Josho

748 posts

97 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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The majority of cars I drive aren't on an insurance database and I still normally go past at a tad under 80 and have never been stopped.

vonhosen

40,233 posts

217 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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Police vehicle occupants notice you closing on them at a speed quite a bit above the speed limit, they then later gesture for you to keep the speed down to the limit. (Nothing strange there).

After you matched speed with them at 68 its seems to me that they waited for you to get alongside to warn you about the above (rather than pulling you over to a stop on the motorway in the dark in order to tell you that) & that they had been aware of your earlier closing speed. The warnings were about the prior behaviour not your behaviour after you matched speed & came alongside.
Matching speed with them doesn't negate your closing speed that they had been aware of.

Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 13th May 16:36

WJNB

2,637 posts

161 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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Josho said:
The majority of cars I drive aren't on an insurance database and I still normally go past at a tad under 80 and have never been stopped.
Well clever old you, my how we're all impressed. Can't wait for you to get caught & witness your moaning here.

Wacky Racer

38,162 posts

247 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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HTP99 said:
catman said:
Countdown said:
Wacky Racer said:
Anyone who overtakes a police car doing "around" 70mph is asking for trouble (imo)

The UK speed limit is 70mph not 73/5/8 whatever.

Were you really in that much of a rush you had to overtake him?
IME they're normally doing 65mph and it's quite possible to go past them without expecting to be pulled.
If I come upon a Police car doing 65 mph in a 70 mph limit, I treat them exactly the same as any other car and overtake them... And the train of cars queueing behind them!

Tim
It always amazes me how many people will sit behind a Police car, which is doing below the legal limit on a motorway or dual carriageway, I always breeze past doing over the limit and have never been stopped.
There's a first time for everything. I would suggest you have been very lucky in the past.

I'm not saying I don't sometimes break the speed limit, but I certainly wouldn't do it within sight of a police car. Asking for trouble.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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vonhosen said:
Police vehicle occupants notice you closing on them at a speed quite a bit above the speed limit, they then later gesture for you to keep the speed down to the limit. (Nothing strange there).

After you matched speed with them at 68 its seems to me that they waited for you to get alongside to warn you about the above (rather than pulling you over to a stop on the motorway in the dark in order to tell you that) & that they had been aware of your earlier closing speed. The warnings were about the prior behaviour not your behaviour after you matched speed & came alongside.
Matching speed with them doesn't negate your closing speed that they had been aware of.

Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 13th May 16:36
You're giving them a lot more credit than they deserve most of the time.
At a mile away (according to the OP, let's say half that) they are picking up on his 10mph speed differential (unlikely) and making an issue of it, in addition to which the OP was automatically looking ahead whereas they are not automatically looking behind. The reality is all they can really be sure of if they were paying attention is that they were doing near the limit and the OP was doing a little over it. So what, should anybody care? No.

WaferThinHam

1,680 posts

130 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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Crackie said:
Retroman said:
going through a red light, even if it's safe.
WTF ??
Not sure what's WTF about this? The light on the pole is no more or less than the "number on the stick" that people so routinely call sped limits. Try riding around on a motorbike late at night, plenty of traffic lights won't even change for a solo motorcycle let alone a push bike. Don't get me started on the broken/crap temporary lights at road works.

OP seems weird, maybe he was just having a slow night. A lot of my driving is motorway and (touch wood) it's pretty rare for me to see any marked cars.

vonhosen

40,233 posts

217 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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cmaguire said:
vonhosen said:
Police vehicle occupants notice you closing on them at a speed quite a bit above the speed limit, they then later gesture for you to keep the speed down to the limit. (Nothing strange there).

After you matched speed with them at 68 its seems to me that they waited for you to get alongside to warn you about the above (rather than pulling you over to a stop on the motorway in the dark in order to tell you that) & that they had been aware of your earlier closing speed. The warnings were about the prior behaviour not your behaviour after you matched speed & came alongside.
Matching speed with them doesn't negate your closing speed that they had been aware of.

Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 13th May 16:36
You're giving them a lot more credit than they deserve most of the time.
At a mile away (according to the OP, let's say half that) they are picking up on his 10mph speed differential (unlikely) and making an issue of it, in addition to which the OP was automatically looking ahead whereas they are not automatically looking behind. The reality is all they can really be sure of if they were paying attention is that they were doing near the limit and the OP was doing a little over it. So what, should anybody care? No.
They know exactly what speed they are doing & they can see whether the OP was closing quicker than the available legal differential.
They are paid to care about it & warned him that they were aware of it.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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vonhosen said:
They know exactly what speed they are doing & they can see whether the OP was closing quicker than the available legal differential.
They are paid to care about it & warned him that they were aware of it.
He said he was doing about 80, he has GPS so we can assume this is true.
He said they were doing 68, he has GPS so we can assume this is true.
He said he saw them a mile away, this is dubious (although he does have GPS, haha) but he could certainly see them at half that.
He slowed when he saw them.

One of three things is possible:
Firstly he is lying,
Secondly one of the coppers was hanging out of the window with a laser gun,
Or thirdly, they know he was going a bit faster than them (legal differential, are you having a laugh? There is no way they could place him in that 77-80mph window) and they are a couple of petty tossers.


Or, as Greendubber said, it has nothing to do with his speed and will forever remain a mystery.

vonhosen

40,233 posts

217 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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cmaguire said:
vonhosen said:
They know exactly what speed they are doing & they can see whether the OP was closing quicker than the available legal differential.
They are paid to care about it & warned him that they were aware of it.
He said he was doing about 80, he has GPS so we can assume this is true.
He said they were doing 68, he has GPS so we can assume this is true.
He said he saw them a mile away, this is dubious (although he does have GPS, haha) but he could certainly see them at half that.
He slowed when he saw them.

One of three things is possible:
Firstly he is lying,
Secondly one of the coppers was hanging out of the window with a laser gun,
Or thirdly, they know he was going a bit faster than them (legal differential, are you having a laugh? There is no way they could place him in that 77-80mph window) and they are a couple of petty tossers.


Or, as Greendubber said, it has nothing to do with his speed and will forever remain a mystery.
They don't have to be able to measure his speed at 80mph to know he was exceeding the limit. They don't have to lean out the window because they don't need to measure it with a laser. They are quite capable of noting him closing & the rate of closure decreasing as he got closer.

They are also unlikely to worry about what you personally think of them.

He was spotted & warned.
End of, it's no biggie.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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vonhosen said:
They don't have to be able to measure his speed at 80mph to know he was exceeding the limit. They don't have to lean out the window because they don't need to measure it with a laser. They are quite capable of noting him closing & the rate of closure decreasing as he got closer.

They are also unlikely to worry about what you personally think of them.

He was spotted & warned.
End of, it's no biggie.
Not forgetting about the 'legal differential' they were aware he was exceeding of course. Otherwise why bother making an issue of it?

As you say though, it's no biggie. Surprising they bothered with it at all.

Gossgo

255 posts

86 months

Sunday 14th May 2017
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vonhosen said:
They don't have to be able to measure his speed at 80mph to know he was exceeding the limit. They don't have to lean out the window because they don't need to measure it with a laser. They are quite capable of noting him closing & the rate of closure decreasing as he got closer.

They are also unlikely to worry about what you personally think of them.

He was spotted & warned.
End of, it's no biggie.
If the police are sitting at 68mph it is very easy to determine that someone approaching is exceeding the speed limit.
Well done to the OP for being able to measure the speed of the police car so accurately and for everyone accepting that. It does seem that the same people have big issues about the accuracy of police speed measurements even when they have approved equipment to make those measurements and are trained to do so.
Maybe people who have never measured the speed of a car need to think about what they post.

B'stard Child

28,398 posts

246 months

Sunday 14th May 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
B'stard Child said:
TooMany2cvs said:
B'stard Child said:
I read that as the car was fitted with adjustable headlight range - and he wound it down to min
With WHAT...?

You mean a switch to manually height-adjust the lights to compensate for load?
Clearly you have seen one before...
I have. In quite a lot of different vehicles...

And they aren't "adjustable range", nor have they ever been.

Perhaps a parrot is required on my part, but...
What does the adjustment do to the beam position on the road if there isn't a load requiring adjustment?



blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

232 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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I also read this as the OP had his full-beam on.
Nobody, ever, in the history of driving has used those load-adjusting buttons as an 'adjustable beam' whilst driving as people are speculating.
That would be mental. Plus, as the OP hasn't been back tot he thread I suspect he has realised the error of his ways and is embarrassed.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Go past at 75-80 without your full beam on.. Never had any problems.

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

96 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Weird that this has turned into a major debate.

OP lowered his headlight range to pass so as not to dassle the plod for too long which is a perfectly considerate action if traffic is very light.

As to why they behaved the way they did who knows??? Unfortunately some of the UKs police forces Plod are utter jobsworth knobbers for whom I would have little time.

Every police force is different. Personally I have never had any real issues with police officers on motorways and normally pass at around 75-80mph with no major issues and dont get pulled. So long as you are driving sensibly most leave you alone.

You will occasionally be at risk from certain forces such as sussex police or Met police (Met police btw on the two occasions I had interactions with them were the biggest rudest assholes ever)

Some forces see speeding as the biggest crime in the universe ever. Essex police hate motorists and in particular speeding though in the thousands of miles I have done through essex they have yet to catch me.

Other forces are far more interested in making the roads safe.