Are the gantry cameras on the M25 still active?

[cmaguire]

Tablecloth said:

You can believe what you like but I've been travelling the length and breadth of the Uk since 1975 and I am still doing that. I have experienced the motorways before and after the use of the HADECS system. After is better than before.
You don't need your "turn them off and try it" test because the "turn them on and try it" has worked.
Perhaps your general dopeyness missed that test.

It must be so gratifying to be a part of the system and rewarded for propagating state-sanctioned bullst day after day.

[FurtiveFreddy]

Tablecloth said:

especially those who seek them out with radar detectors.

[pixelatedJH]

jm doc said:

Thanks, that was very helpful. So there we have it confirmed, it's nothing to do with safety.

And having recently had the misfortune to travel down to London on a rare trip to those parts, I had the pleasure of spending an hour or so on a heavily congested M25 travelling at 20-50mph on a road littered with cameras. In over forty years of driving all over the world I don't think I have ever felt so stressed and at risk.

Complete and utter madness.

I too found it incredibly stressful at first. It's surprising how driving it regularly just makes it second nature though, although nothing will get you used to having to slow down to 40 for a camera with 'SCANIA' written across your rear window.

Or, for that matter, trying to explain with hand gestures that yes, although you've gone passed a stopped car in lane 1 the speed limit is still 40 and lane 1 is still closed until the next gantry... (Who knows if there is more than one car stuck in that lane).

It feel like managed motorways could be genuinely far more efficient and better, if only everyone adhered to them.

[jm doc]

Tablecloth said:

jm doc said:

Thanks, that was very helpful. So there we have it confirmed, it's nothing to do with safety.

And having recently had the misfortune to travel down to London on a rare trip to those parts, I had the pleasure of spending an hour or so on a heavily congested M25 travelling at 20-50mph on a road littered with cameras. In over forty years of driving all over the world I don't think I have ever felt so stressed and at risk.

Complete and utter madness.

Nobody said it was to do with safety, it is a speed management system. Of course if drivers complied with the system of speed limits it would be a safer place.
Perhaps the madness and tension was more to do with the drivers who surf between the cameras at high speed, especially those who seek them out with radar detectors.

No pitmansboots, everyone said it was about safety, you even called yourselves safety camera partnerships to try and disguise your real purpose. And there's no evidence that complying with speed limits promotes safety. In fact evidence shows that drivers who speed actually have a better safety record.

[jm doc]

Tablecloth said:

Guybrush said:

Exactly. All about revenue as one would expect.

Highways England could have taken the option of doing F-All about the congestion issue and saved £billions on a speed management system. Then you could have come onto a motoring forum and whinged about Highways England doing F-All about the congestion on their roads while offering no alternative solution.
If the profit was £10,000,000/year, NOT revenue, then it would still take more than 100 years to recover the cost of the system so your 'revenue' charge simply makes no sense.

They could have spent billions and improved the roads. And then raised speed limits to improve flow and safety.

[jm doc]

Tablecloth said:

cmaguire said:

Tablecloth said:

Highways England could have taken the option of doing F-All about the congestion issue and saved £billions on a speed management system. Then you could have come onto a motoring forum and whinged about Highways England doing F-All about the congestion on their roads while offering no alternative solution.
If the profit was £10,000,000/year, NOT revenue, then it would still take more than 100 years to recover the cost of the system so your 'revenue' charge simply makes no sense.

Turn them all off and tell everyone they've all been turned off, and remove all the variable limits. Let's see how much slower we get from A to B.
I don't believe they have any positive impact on congestion in general, and only do so in certain circumstances at certain times by chance. Most of the time I expect they increase journey times. They are an unnecessary nuisance.

You can believe what you like but I've been travelling the length and breadth of the Uk since 1975 and I am still doing that. I have experienced the motorways before and after the use of the HADECS system. After is better than before.
You don't need your "turn them off and try it" test because the "turn them on and try it" has worked.
Perhaps your general dopeyness missed that test.

And I've been using motorways since 1970, not just in the UK but all over Europe and the world. I consider myself fortunate in that I don't use managed motorways on a regular basis, but I've never encountered anything as inherently dangerous as that which I experienced a few weeks ago on the M25

[Barty964rst]

Myself and one other in the office have received NIP's from the clockwise camera just before Chobham Services in the last two weeks. First ticket on the M25 in 20 years and over 400k of miles, I hate that road even more this week!

[EU_Foreigner]

Barty964rst said:

Myself and one other in the office have received NIP's from the clockwise camera just before Chobham Services in the last two weeks. First ticket on the M25 in 20 years and over 400k of miles, I hate that road even more this week!

What was the accused speed and was there a limit in place?

[Tablecloth]

Barty964rst said:

Myself and one other in the office have received NIP's from the clockwise camera just before Chobham Services in the last two weeks. First ticket on the M25 in 20 years and over 400k of miles, I hate that road even more this week!

ooooops!