Scotland to be covered by ASCs - cos it reduces speeding!
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https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/...
The 'success' of the A9 means next up its the A90. Soon to follow A82 I presume...
Trouble is all they can claim is a reduction in 'Speeding'. Is that enough? What's the REAL purpose of these things?
How can hundreds of miles or road be accident hot spots? ASCs over distance are damned stressful on quiet roads.
I guess the version of national socialism in Scotland is happy with this type of 'state control' of lives (for no net gain).
The 'success' of the A9 means next up its the A90. Soon to follow A82 I presume...
Trouble is all they can claim is a reduction in 'Speeding'. Is that enough? What's the REAL purpose of these things?
How can hundreds of miles or road be accident hot spots? ASCs over distance are damned stressful on quiet roads.
I guess the version of national socialism in Scotland is happy with this type of 'state control' of lives (for no net gain).
Davidonly said:
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/...
The 'success' of the A9 means next up its the A90. Soon to follow A82 I presume...
Trouble is all they can claim is a reduction in 'Speeding'. Is that enough? What's the REAL purpose of these things?
How can hundreds of miles or road be accident hot spots? ASCs over distance are damned stressful on quiet roads.
I guess the version of national socialism in Scotland is happy with this type of 'state control' of lives (for no net gain).
Martin Reid of the Road Haulage Association supports slowing anyone faster than his trucks down to nearer the speed of his trucks (note that the speed his trucks are doing will be entirely unchanged). There's a surprise.The 'success' of the A9 means next up its the A90. Soon to follow A82 I presume...
Trouble is all they can claim is a reduction in 'Speeding'. Is that enough? What's the REAL purpose of these things?
How can hundreds of miles or road be accident hot spots? ASCs over distance are damned stressful on quiet roads.
I guess the version of national socialism in Scotland is happy with this type of 'state control' of lives (for no net gain).
Creeping death. Soon everybody will be elephant racing.
Sadly, the real reason for these is as a money maker, due to budget cuts anything that can earn money seems to be more attractive than ever. My annoyance is that they are never used in high accident areas, just those where there is a high volume of traffic likely to be speeding.
In Northampton, they have two sets of ASCs covering a strip of dual carriage way going towards the college and university amongst other places (one set of cameras, then a roundabout then another set straight after). However, less than two miles later. the road drops down to one lane either way and is a high accident area but there are no cameras because that road runs out into the countryside and the volume of traffic is drastically reduced and therefore as is the money made by a potential camera there. Money comes before safety from what I've seen.
In Northampton, they have two sets of ASCs covering a strip of dual carriage way going towards the college and university amongst other places (one set of cameras, then a roundabout then another set straight after). However, less than two miles later. the road drops down to one lane either way and is a high accident area but there are no cameras because that road runs out into the countryside and the volume of traffic is drastically reduced and therefore as is the money made by a potential camera there. Money comes before safety from what I've seen.
Once there have been enough votes held for Scotland to finally leave the UK, then they will need all the money they can get from charging per mile. Handy they can now monitor where your driving.
Clearly the reason the conservatives want to get mobile phone signals along all roads, so they can track where ever you go.
Once there are smart meters everywhere so they can charge you tax on energy used for charging a vehicle, then they will be all ready for the drop in petrol and diesel tax take and the rise of electric vehicles and mileage based charging.
Clearly the reason the conservatives want to get mobile phone signals along all roads, so they can track where ever you go.
Once there are smart meters everywhere so they can charge you tax on energy used for charging a vehicle, then they will be all ready for the drop in petrol and diesel tax take and the rise of electric vehicles and mileage based charging.
BlueMR2 said:
... monitor where you're driving.
Clearly the reason the conservatives want to get mobile phone signals along all roads, so they can track where ever you go.
You are allowed to turn off your phone you know. There is also a proposal for some cars to come with a shielded cubby to put your phone in while driving.Clearly the reason the conservatives want to get mobile phone signals along all roads, so they can track where ever you go.
speedking31 said:
BlueMR2 said:
... monitor where you're driving.
Clearly the reason the conservatives want to get mobile phone signals along all roads, so they can track where ever you go.
You are allowed to turn off your phone you know. There is also a proposal for some cars to come with a shielded cubby to put your phone in while driving.Clearly the reason the conservatives want to get mobile phone signals along all roads, so they can track where ever you go.
Probably end up with sim card holders in the engine ECU.
No sim, no go.
The Average Speed Cameras on the A9 are a sledgehammer to crack a nut - two steps forward, one step back etc, etc...
I drive the full length a few times a month and they can be very frustrating because many motorists are afraid of exceeding the limit at any time, not being aware that it's the average that matters. Loads of miles at a true 46mph is very annoying, and because nobody overtakes the queues can build up at peak times.
The worst bit is that it's the same blanket sledgehammer solution any time of day and night, or season, when the real issues were during the peak of the tourist season and the mix of fast dual carriageway and slower side junction access - a lethal mix at times.
It's not all bad though.
The higher HGV limit of 50mph does make a big difference.
The trigger limit is set at 69mph for the single carriageway sections, and according to information in the public domain there's no average speed monitoring measuring of the dual carriageway sections AT ALL. My TomTom Go app doesn't show an average on these sections, only on the single carriageway ones.
I drive the full length a few times a month and they can be very frustrating because many motorists are afraid of exceeding the limit at any time, not being aware that it's the average that matters. Loads of miles at a true 46mph is very annoying, and because nobody overtakes the queues can build up at peak times.
The worst bit is that it's the same blanket sledgehammer solution any time of day and night, or season, when the real issues were during the peak of the tourist season and the mix of fast dual carriageway and slower side junction access - a lethal mix at times.
It's not all bad though.
The higher HGV limit of 50mph does make a big difference.
The trigger limit is set at 69mph for the single carriageway sections, and according to information in the public domain there's no average speed monitoring measuring of the dual carriageway sections AT ALL. My TomTom Go app doesn't show an average on these sections, only on the single carriageway ones.
It is actually useful to have your car connect to the mobile network - accident alerts and all that. Unconscious you gets the medical attention needed after hooning off a corner at 4am!
Of course, it all depends on how far it goes. I don't think the public would be happy if their car issued an FPN!
Of course, it all depends on how far it goes. I don't think the public would be happy if their car issued an FPN!
I've found the ASCs to be less of a problem on the A9 than I expected. It has significantly reduced the nutters making inappropriate progress which must have been one of the causes of accidents.
Certainly when the road is busy you are effectively restricted to the national limit or less such is the congestion on the single carriageway stretches at times.
Medium traffic levels you can make a bit of progress if you have a way to reliably measure average speed between the cameras as you are slowed for brief periods.
It's only really an issue when the road is really quiet IME.
It will need 5 years to confirm if the KSI rates really have come down since the cameras have been put in.
Roads like the A93 and A82, 85, 87 have sufficient hazards that you will be unlikely to trigger thresholds if the cameras are not too close together or you are not doing mental speeds.
A much worse prospect is the reduction in limits on these rural roads to 50mph. Police that effectively and I'll be trading in the Evora
Certainly when the road is busy you are effectively restricted to the national limit or less such is the congestion on the single carriageway stretches at times.
Medium traffic levels you can make a bit of progress if you have a way to reliably measure average speed between the cameras as you are slowed for brief periods.
It's only really an issue when the road is really quiet IME.
It will need 5 years to confirm if the KSI rates really have come down since the cameras have been put in.
Roads like the A93 and A82, 85, 87 have sufficient hazards that you will be unlikely to trigger thresholds if the cameras are not too close together or you are not doing mental speeds.
A much worse prospect is the reduction in limits on these rural roads to 50mph. Police that effectively and I'll be trading in the Evora
Yipper said:
ASCs have helped reduce roadworker deaths by roughly -25% in the past decade, so they do work when used in the right place.
If only their use was restricted to actual roadworks then I doubt there would be any legitimate complaints.Unfortunately the reality is somewhat different, and getting worse.
[quote=Davidonly]https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/431002/work-to-begin-on-a90-average-speed-camera-network/
The 'success' of the A9 means next up its the A90. Soon to follow A82 I presume...
Trouble is all they can claim is a reduction in 'Speeding'. Is that enough? What's the REAL purpose of these things?
How can hundreds of miles or road be accident hot spots? ASCs over distance are damned stressful on quiet roads.
I guess the version of national socialism in Scotland is happy with this type of 'state control' of lives (for no net gain).[/quote
Now- WHY didn't we all go off road and fall down a hillside in the 60 & 70's. I've driven over Glencoe in ancient things , like a Wolseley 1500( something modelled on a Morris minor, but with a lot more grunt) at speeds in excess of present limits. I didn't go boom in a cloud of smoke.
Only thing I've noticed in years past on trips up north is the dumbing down of driving standards. Long lines of traffic all doing 45 ,with no intent on overtaking( Is overtaking a lost art ?) , and when I attempt an overtake, at least one stupid Tw**t tries to block me.
The 'success' of the A9 means next up its the A90. Soon to follow A82 I presume...
Trouble is all they can claim is a reduction in 'Speeding'. Is that enough? What's the REAL purpose of these things?
How can hundreds of miles or road be accident hot spots? ASCs over distance are damned stressful on quiet roads.
I guess the version of national socialism in Scotland is happy with this type of 'state control' of lives (for no net gain).[/quote
Now- WHY didn't we all go off road and fall down a hillside in the 60 & 70's. I've driven over Glencoe in ancient things , like a Wolseley 1500( something modelled on a Morris minor, but with a lot more grunt) at speeds in excess of present limits. I didn't go boom in a cloud of smoke.
Only thing I've noticed in years past on trips up north is the dumbing down of driving standards. Long lines of traffic all doing 45 ,with no intent on overtaking( Is overtaking a lost art ?) , and when I attempt an overtake, at least one stupid Tw**t tries to block me.
Davidonly said:
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/...
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Trouble is all they can claim is a reduction in 'Speeding'. Is that enough? What's the REAL purpose of these things?
some evidence that it reduces accidents too<Snip>
Trouble is all they can claim is a reduction in 'Speeding'. Is that enough? What's the REAL purpose of these things?
Page 10 has a simple summary graph.
It does seem a sledgehammer to crack a nut approach but those stats don't lie (I haven't been through the report in detail to verify that last statement!),
I use the A9 regularly but rarely (twice a year) on a Saturday and it's been good for me. There has mostly been overtaking opportunities, the sheep mostly not getting the concept of a swift overtake
regards,
Jet
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