NIP for no seatbelt!
Discussion
cmaguire said:
Still with the name calling.
You are missing the point.
Perspective.
The 'wrapped-in-cotton-wool' existence that the nanny state is promoting here has created a society that is disinclined to accept any personal responsibility and more than that wants to impose that mentality on everyone else.
Get some perspective.
Look, it really isn't difficult. Seatbelts save lives, the evidence is overwhelming. Wearing a seatbelt saved my life. It's not nanny-state, it's common bloody sense. Or would you like to go back to those halcyon days where things like fire and building regulations or electrical safety were non-existent?You are missing the point.
Perspective.
The 'wrapped-in-cotton-wool' existence that the nanny state is promoting here has created a society that is disinclined to accept any personal responsibility and more than that wants to impose that mentality on everyone else.
Get some perspective.
Lance Catamaran said:
Look, it really isn't difficult. Seatbelts save lives, the evidence is overwhelming. Wearing a seatbelt saved my life. It's not nanny-state, it's common bloody sense. Or would you like to go back to those halcyon days where things like fire and building regulations or electrical safety were non-existent?
You're right, it really isn't difficult.One of the OP's drivers was caught driving without a seatbelt. The OP voiced his irritation that a Speed Camera Van reported his driver. The OP has subsequently been insulted, as has anyone else that didn't toe the line with the PH massive.
Now, if we were talking about running around on bald tyres, then I could have some sympathy with the attitude.
But we're not, and I don't.
It's trivial, the driver broke a minor law and will pay a fine. If I met the driver it wouldn't make any difference to my opinion of him, in much the same way I don't feel inclined to insult him from the safety of my Toshiba keyboard.
And nobody kissed any windscreens in this case or near enough all the others that go on day to day.
There is personal freedom of choice but you will put that down as an idiotic reason despite that fact that it exists in many other areas of life.
Everyone is able to eat as much sugary and fatty food as they like even though "There are simply no non-idiotic reasons to rail against ............." stopping the sale of tobacco and alchohol and stopping the sale of some foods.................making excercise compulsory........stopping medical care to those who perpetuate their own downfall et cetera et cetera.
Your school of thought would see a black box in everyones car as "There are simply no non-idiotic reasons to rail against mandatory black boxes for everyone" It would surely make the roads a safer and cheaper place for all.
HANS devices, helmets and fireproofs would also be helpful and mean cheap motoring for all (after the initial outlay of course).
I do sometimes wonder what difference it would make to the statistics if seatbelts were not compulsory these days (under 18s aside). There are surely enough other safety devices in cars anyway. Who would you lose anyway - in your book only the idiotic.
Would the world not be a better place without those people???
Pip
Everyone is able to eat as much sugary and fatty food as they like even though "There are simply no non-idiotic reasons to rail against ............." stopping the sale of tobacco and alchohol and stopping the sale of some foods.................making excercise compulsory........stopping medical care to those who perpetuate their own downfall et cetera et cetera.
Your school of thought would see a black box in everyones car as "There are simply no non-idiotic reasons to rail against mandatory black boxes for everyone" It would surely make the roads a safer and cheaper place for all.
HANS devices, helmets and fireproofs would also be helpful and mean cheap motoring for all (after the initial outlay of course).
I do sometimes wonder what difference it would make to the statistics if seatbelts were not compulsory these days (under 18s aside). There are surely enough other safety devices in cars anyway. Who would you lose anyway - in your book only the idiotic.
Would the world not be a better place without those people???
Pip
Pip1968 said:
There is personal freedom of choice but you will put that down as an idiotic reason despite that fact that it exists in many other areas of life.
Everyone is able to eat as much sugary and fatty food as they like even though "There are simply no non-idiotic reasons to rail against ............." stopping the sale of tobacco and alchohol and stopping the sale of some foods.................making excercise compulsory........stopping medical care to those who perpetuate their own downfall et cetera et cetera.
Your school of thought would see a black box in everyones car as "There are simply no non-idiotic reasons to rail against mandatory black boxes for everyone" It would surely make the roads a safer and cheaper place for all.
HANS devices, helmets and fireproofs would also be helpful and mean cheap motoring for all (after the initial outlay of course).
I do sometimes wonder what difference it would make to the statistics if seatbelts were not compulsory these days (under 18s aside). There are surely enough other safety devices in cars anyway. Who would you lose anyway - in your book only the idiotic.
Would the world not be a better place without those people???
Pip
In their world every collision would result in anyone not wearing a seatbelt being killed by the airbag exploding in their face. Assuming they don't use said airbag as a launch ramp to exit the windscreen at 45 degrees and burn up in the Earth's atmosphere. Not wearing a seatbelt also automatically means you will be involved in an accident.Everyone is able to eat as much sugary and fatty food as they like even though "There are simply no non-idiotic reasons to rail against ............." stopping the sale of tobacco and alchohol and stopping the sale of some foods.................making excercise compulsory........stopping medical care to those who perpetuate their own downfall et cetera et cetera.
Your school of thought would see a black box in everyones car as "There are simply no non-idiotic reasons to rail against mandatory black boxes for everyone" It would surely make the roads a safer and cheaper place for all.
HANS devices, helmets and fireproofs would also be helpful and mean cheap motoring for all (after the initial outlay of course).
I do sometimes wonder what difference it would make to the statistics if seatbelts were not compulsory these days (under 18s aside). There are surely enough other safety devices in cars anyway. Who would you lose anyway - in your book only the idiotic.
Would the world not be a better place without those people???
Pip
And don't forget that not wearing one also means you are an idiot/muppet/cretin/etc. On that basis it is probably fair to say you also don't have insurance, always speed, drink-drive, disrespect your elders and skid the pan every time you have a s
t. In summary you are scum.Lance Catamaran said:
Don't forget that if you employ fewer than 5 people H&S rules don't apply.
Don't mistake a relaxation of paper work requirements for a relaxation of H&S law! "In general, health and safety laws apply to all businesses. …...If you have fewer than five employees you don’t have to write down your risk assessment or your health and safety policy."From HSE site.
Pip1968 said:
I do sometimes wonder what difference it would make to the statistics if seatbelts were not compulsory these days (under 18s aside).
Why under 18s aside, do they not deserve the same chance to be injured as everyone else? Dreadful nanny state controlling what kids should be allowed to do, freedom for all.berlintaxi said:
Why under 18s aside, do they not deserve the same chance to be injured as everyone else? Dreadful nanny state controlling what kids should be allowed to do, freedom for all.
Err... because they are children and have little life experience. Someone under 18 lost as it is inevitable that they will be without a seatbelt is a loss. Are you going to turn this into why adults and children should be treated differently??? We can then also get into why there is nothing wrong with giving a child a crack across their chops if they dont tow the line.
Pip
Really? What, that I think children are vulnerable, more so than adults? That they have more life experience? That they are worth saving over an adult?
I think the idea has been around since the dawn of time. Men went to war or hunting and the children stayed t home. Mankind should continue but as for everyone living forever in an ageing population............NO.
Adults are able to make informed decisions on risk is my point children not and losing someone who is able to do so is less of a loss than someoe who cannot.
I like risk and am quite happy not to wear a cycling helmet or a ski-ing helmet you clearly like your comforts and safety. That does not mean I would allow my children to ignore your perfect world of HSE.
Pip
I think the idea has been around since the dawn of time. Men went to war or hunting and the children stayed t home. Mankind should continue but as for everyone living forever in an ageing population............NO.
Adults are able to make informed decisions on risk is my point children not and losing someone who is able to do so is less of a loss than someoe who cannot.
I like risk and am quite happy not to wear a cycling helmet or a ski-ing helmet you clearly like your comforts and safety. That does not mean I would allow my children to ignore your perfect world of HSE.
Pip
In an aircraft you are not in control of your own destiny that said I have flown many a time with no seatbelt (in Military aircraft) sometimes without a parachute too. That said I would never use the expression "jog on" as it does not really mean anything to me. Where the f#ck does that emanate from? I do not speak in rap (?). Are you even over 18 "jog on" incredible? Completely off topic I will happily advise anyone to go jogging. It is good for you. You are probably the top of that list as I will guess you are overweight as most people in the West seem to be. Do you jog?
Obviously in a car your are in charge and in a plane you are relying on someone else. Are you surprized that I am not dead? How can that be.
Why dont you wear a helmet/HANS device/fireproofs when driving when it is proven to save lives and injury or do you need HMG to tell you to do it before you do anything???
I woud love to hear of the top three most dangerous things you have ever done - driven over 80mph- 90-100/ drunk coffe without a warning on the side of the cup saying the contents are hot/ got to the end of the travelator with out reading the sign that says it is coming to an end?????? The last two items are there for people like you ie unable to make their own risk assessments.
Pip
Obviously in a car your are in charge and in a plane you are relying on someone else. Are you surprized that I am not dead? How can that be.
Why dont you wear a helmet/HANS device/fireproofs when driving when it is proven to save lives and injury or do you need HMG to tell you to do it before you do anything???
I woud love to hear of the top three most dangerous things you have ever done - driven over 80mph- 90-100/ drunk coffe without a warning on the side of the cup saying the contents are hot/ got to the end of the travelator with out reading the sign that says it is coming to an end?????? The last two items are there for people like you ie unable to make their own risk assessments.
Pip
Edited by Pip1968 on Monday 29th May 08:41
Pip1968 said:
In an aircraft you are not in control of your own destiny that said I have flown many a time with no seatbelt (in Military aircraft) sometimes without a parachute too. That said I would never use the expression "jog on" as it does not really mean anything to me. Where the f#ck does that emanate from? I do not speak in rap (?). Are you even over 18 "jog on" incredible? Completely off topic I will happily advise anyone to go jogging. It is good for you. You are probably the top of that list as I will guess you are overweight as most people in the West seem to be. Do you jog?
Obviously in a car you are in charge and in a plane you are relying on someone else. Are you surprized that I am not dead? How can that be.
Why dont you wear a helmet/HANS device/fireproofs when driving when it is proven to save lives and injury or do you need HMG to tell you to do it before you do anything???
I woud love to hear of the top three most dangerous things you have ever done - driven over 80mph- 90-100/ drunk coffe without a warning on the side of the cup saying the contents are hot/ got to the end of the travelator with out reading the sign that says it is coming to an end?????? The last two items are there for people like you ie unable to make their own risk assessments.
Pip
Obviously in a car you are in charge and in a plane you are relying on someone else. Are you surprized that I am not dead? How can that be.
Why dont you wear a helmet/HANS device/fireproofs when driving when it is proven to save lives and injury or do you need HMG to tell you to do it before you do anything???
I woud love to hear of the top three most dangerous things you have ever done - driven over 80mph- 90-100/ drunk coffe without a warning on the side of the cup saying the contents are hot/ got to the end of the travelator with out reading the sign that says it is coming to an end?????? The last two items are there for people like you ie unable to make their own risk assessments.
Pip
Edited for grammar by Pip1968 on Monday 29th May 08:41
Pip1968 said:
I woud love to hear of the top three most dangerous things you have ever done
Pip
The most dangerous thing I've ever done is living. It's completely unsafe. I'm 100% guaranteed to die because of it. Pip
The only consolation is that I've got a mind of my own and can choose how I live and therefore partially have some say in how I die. Far too many people on here don't seem to be able to understand this.
mortones2 said:
Lance Catamaran said:
Don't forget that if you employ fewer than 5 people H&S rules don't apply.
Don't mistake a relaxation of paper work requirements for a relaxation of H&S law! "In general, health and safety laws apply to all businesses. …...If you have fewer than five employees you don’t have to write down your risk assessment or your health and safety policy."From HSE site.
But Cmagire has made me think. Tomorrow I'm chucking out all our office fire extinguishers, padlocking the fire escape and disconnecting the sprinklers. After all, fire retardant furnishings means that a fire today is far less dangerous than a fire in the olden days, before all this nanny state fire safety rubbish became law.
cmaguire said:
It's trivial, the driver broke a minor law and will pay a fine. If I met the driver it wouldn't make any difference to my opinion of him,
Good job you're not a fleet manager then. If you were, you'd learn to recognise trends, and you could see from your own claims data the link between a general disregard for safety, attitude to risk, the number of accidents, and the effect on the bottom line a company profitability. If you didn't spot those trends, they'd be sacking you before "no seatbelt" man.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
cmaguire said:
It's trivial, the driver broke a minor law and will pay a fine. If I met the driver it wouldn't make any difference to my opinion of him,
Good job you're not a fleet manager then. If you were, you'd learn to recognise trends, and you could see from your own claims data the link between a general disregard for safety, attitude to risk, the number of accidents, and the effect on the bottom line a company profitability. If you didn't spot those trends, they'd be sacking you before "no seatbelt" man.
I quit my company job 8 years ago and set up on my own. Avoiding having to deal with all the crap that working for and with other people entails is a relief of epic proportions. The amount of time, money and manpower devoted by these companies to dealing with things that either don't need dealing with in the first place or could be resolved in 5 minutes by two 5 year olds with a pack of crayons is staggering, and virtually all of it reduces productivity.
cmaguire said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
cmaguire said:
It's trivial, the driver broke a minor law and will pay a fine. If I met the driver it wouldn't make any difference to my opinion of him,
Good job you're not a fleet manager then. If you were, you'd learn to recognise trends, and you could see from your own claims data the link between a general disregard for safety, attitude to risk, the number of accidents, and the effect on the bottom line a company profitability. If you didn't spot those trends, they'd be sacking you before "no seatbelt" man.
I quit my company job 8 years ago and set up on my own. Avoiding having to deal with all the crap that working for and with other people entails is a relief of epic proportions. The amount of time, money and manpower devoted by these companies to dealing with things that either don't need dealing with in the first place or could be resolved in 5 minutes by two 5 year olds with a pack of crayons is staggering, and virtually all of it reduces productivity.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
cmaguire said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
cmaguire said:
It's trivial, the driver broke a minor law and will pay a fine. If I met the driver it wouldn't make any difference to my opinion of him,
Good job you're not a fleet manager then. If you were, you'd learn to recognise trends, and you could see from your own claims data the link between a general disregard for safety, attitude to risk, the number of accidents, and the effect on the bottom line a company profitability. If you didn't spot those trends, they'd be sacking you before "no seatbelt" man.
I quit my company job 8 years ago and set up on my own. Avoiding having to deal with all the crap that working for and with other people entails is a relief of epic proportions. The amount of time, money and manpower devoted by these companies to dealing with things that either don't need dealing with in the first place or could be resolved in 5 minutes by two 5 year olds with a pack of crayons is staggering, and virtually all of it reduces productivity.
Old school manager - a bit like Geoffrey Boycott
Current manager - a lot like Tony Blair
I quite like Boycott. Working for him would likely have its amusing moments. I could work for him. He'd back his workers.
Tony Blair? Couldn't believe anything I heard if his lips were moving at the same time. Devious, arse-covering toad. Looking after number 1 is his prime directive. Will pretend to back his workers until arse-licking his superiors makes that untenable.
Do you have any fleet manager vacancies?
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