NIP for no seatbelt!
Discussion
cmaguire said:
Why do you care so much, the only person that might suffer (questionably) is the person not wearing the belt?
I suspect the usual Internet points scoring and "I'm cleverer than you because.... " mentality plays a part in some of the replies.
Tbh I think it's more the other way around where you're the one "points scoring" with the "I'm cleverer than you because.... " mentality.I suspect the usual Internet points scoring and "I'm cleverer than you because.... " mentality plays a part in some of the replies.
Wearing a seat belt is pretty easy, there really are no good or sensible reasons not to do so.
The Mad Monk said:
I have to pay for your treatment on the NHS.
Can you quantify that, exactly how much do you pay as an individual to treat lunatics that don't wear seatbelts?Do you imagine your (and other's) consternation correlates directly to the level of your loss of funds?
I expect you should have better things to be bothered about.
Give them time though and I suspect they'll get around to making the punishment come with penalty points (i.e. entirely lacking in relevance or proportion to the offence) and the State will improve your quality of life.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Tbh I think it's more the other way around where you're the one "points scoring" with the "I'm cleverer than you because.... " mentality.
Wearing a seat belt is pretty easy, there really are no good or sensible reasons not to do so.
Strangely though, I'm not the one throwing derogatory insults around, so I'm not entirely sure why you believe accusing me of being guilty of my own accusation holds any water.Wearing a seat belt is pretty easy, there really are no good or sensible reasons not to do so.
It might be easy, but I expect there are plenty that generally use them but will opt not to bother for short journeys. Because ultimately, it just isn't that big a deal.
cmaguire said:
How many of your relatives (parents, grandparents, uncles etc) are idiots then?
Or did their former idiocy cease when the seatbelt law came in?
It's a law of minor significance, the NHS patches up people that abuse their bodies with tobacco and alcohol.
If that continues then I've no problem with my taxes paying to patch up someone that doesn't wear a seatbelt.
And the bigger idiots in those groups are not those without seatbelts.
Drinkers and smokers are heavily taxed for drinking and smoking - more than any health treatment related to it will ever cost. In effect, they're actually subsidising people who choose not to drink and smoke. Or did their former idiocy cease when the seatbelt law came in?
It's a law of minor significance, the NHS patches up people that abuse their bodies with tobacco and alcohol.
If that continues then I've no problem with my taxes paying to patch up someone that doesn't wear a seatbelt.
And the bigger idiots in those groups are not those without seatbelts.
If you don't get caught, you'll never pay a penny for not wearing a seatbelt.
tracker22 said:
I've read your post through a number of times and can't see what you intended when making it.
Were you trying to demonstrate how odious you think speed enforcement is or are you showing that you think that reasonable safety precautions, regulated for your benefit are something you don't agree with?
Wearing seat belts are surely a good idea and benefit you and your wife who seems to share your unbelievable logic regarding safety.
I think you simply don't like having your speed monitored and are trying to give speed camera vans a worse reputation than the petrolhead community already attribute to them.
Rather pleasingly your final question reveals your mindset and it is reinforced later on this page when you think it reasonable to 'brake-test' your wife when she leaves her seat belt off.
I could say you come over as a bit of a dick but you have done that yourself. The best thing you can do is tell your wife to belt-up and perhaps do the same yourself while you are at it.
You really are a prick!Were you trying to demonstrate how odious you think speed enforcement is or are you showing that you think that reasonable safety precautions, regulated for your benefit are something you don't agree with?
Wearing seat belts are surely a good idea and benefit you and your wife who seems to share your unbelievable logic regarding safety.
I think you simply don't like having your speed monitored and are trying to give speed camera vans a worse reputation than the petrolhead community already attribute to them.
Rather pleasingly your final question reveals your mindset and it is reinforced later on this page when you think it reasonable to 'brake-test' your wife when she leaves her seat belt off.
I could say you come over as a bit of a dick but you have done that yourself. The best thing you can do is tell your wife to belt-up and perhaps do the same yourself while you are at it.
Trabi601 said:
Can't believe an employer / manager is complaining about a camera van catching someone driving a work vehicle without a belt.
My employers would suspend me, hold a disciplinary and dismiss me if I got a ticket for that during working hours.
It's hardly the crime of the century and certainly hasn't brought the company into any form of disrepute that warrants a disciplinary. It's going to cost the driver £100! My employers would suspend me, hold a disciplinary and dismiss me if I got a ticket for that during working hours.
I'm not complaining that he was caught - just more surprised that it was by a Speed Camera Van
Pagey said:
It's hardly the crime of the century and certainly hasn't brought the company into any form of disrepute that warrants a disciplinary.
Don't you have policies covering company vehicles?We have - always wear your seatbelt, no speeding, zero tolerance on alcohol / drugs and no use of phones (even on hands free).
Any breach of these rules is straight to disciplinary - almost always ending in dismissal.
I have a cousin with a face like a patchwork quilt when he went through the windscreen in the good old days before compulsory wearing of seat belts.
With cars now having airbags, not wearing the seatbelt can be even more dangerous as they are calibrated for a person wearing a seatbelt so your head arrives at the inflating airbag too early potentially breaking your neck.
If your not going to wear your seatbelt you may (in some circumstances) be safer if your disconnect the airbags as well.
With cars now having airbags, not wearing the seatbelt can be even more dangerous as they are calibrated for a person wearing a seatbelt so your head arrives at the inflating airbag too early potentially breaking your neck.
If your not going to wear your seatbelt you may (in some circumstances) be safer if your disconnect the airbags as well.
Edited by Dicky Knee on Saturday 27th May 16:22
Pagey said:
just more surprised that it was by a Speed Camera Van
As would i be. One imagines the greasy slob sitting on his seat and finding he had been unsuccessful in catching the driver speeding.But wait, he looks at the picture again, and whoopee ! No belt ! Real hero's they put in these camera vans.
Accepting that people are entitled to hold different opinions about things, and my appointment as chief constable of the internet "your opinion is wrong" police, what I would say is that I'm quite pleased that camera vans are doing this.
It is a far more tangible demonstration of road safety than some of their more questionable speed enforcement work (in my opinion of course).
In fact, I wish they would develop a camera that can catch drivers using their phone, tailgating, not returning to the left when appropriate, and generally not paying attention to whilst driving.
It would be better still if road users could just be trusted to follow the relatively straight forward rules, but until we all do, cameras are here to stay.
(I say this a bit hypocritically as I do pop over the speed limit from time to time, but on reflection would probably be happy to not do this if it meant everyone else had to drive properly as well)
Ian
It is a far more tangible demonstration of road safety than some of their more questionable speed enforcement work (in my opinion of course).
In fact, I wish they would develop a camera that can catch drivers using their phone, tailgating, not returning to the left when appropriate, and generally not paying attention to whilst driving.
It would be better still if road users could just be trusted to follow the relatively straight forward rules, but until we all do, cameras are here to stay.
(I say this a bit hypocritically as I do pop over the speed limit from time to time, but on reflection would probably be happy to not do this if it meant everyone else had to drive properly as well)
Ian
Trabi601 said:
Don't you have policies covering company vehicles?
We have - always wear your seatbelt, no speeding, zero tolerance on alcohol / drugs and no use of phones (even on hands free).
Any breach of these rules is straight to disciplinary - almost always ending in dismissal.
I've driven many company vehicles back in the days when I was an employee.We have - always wear your seatbelt, no speeding, zero tolerance on alcohol / drugs and no use of phones (even on hands free).
Any breach of these rules is straight to disciplinary - almost always ending in dismissal.
Try to enforce that crap on me and you'd be looking for another engineer.
I wear a seatbelt because I choose to, I don't drink drive because I choose to, I do use my phone hands free because it is legal to do so.
I was employed to repair and/or write software on/ for control circuits on company supplied machinery.
As long as I do that to a satisfactory standard you can shove any PC crap.
I can't abide any of that b
ks.Nigel Worc's said:
I've driven many company vehicles back in the days when I was an employee.
Try to enforce that crap on me and you'd be looking for another engineer.
Do you think a multinational corporate cares about losing someone with a bad attitude towards complying with rules (and laws)?Try to enforce that crap on me and you'd be looking for another engineer.
Employers have a duty of care towards their employees - hence with mine, anyone driving on company business has to comply with certain rules and have a defensive driving course every 2 years with an online refresher every year. Perhaps that's why we rarely have accidents in company vehicles.
Edited by Trabi601 on Saturday 27th May 16:53
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Nigel Worc's said:
Try to enforce that crap on me and you'd be looking for another engineer.
Not sure that's entirely how employment works 
It depends on how much your employer needs you I suppose, I had all sorts of new policies thought up by some pen pusher of other trying to justify their existence over the years, if it didn't make sense, was pointless, or made my life harder it just wasn't happening.
Nigel Worc's said:
I've always found that is entirely how employment works.
It depends on how much your employer needs you I suppose, I had all sorts of new policies thought up by some pen pusher of other trying to justify their existence over the years, if it didn't make sense, was pointless, or made my life harder it just wasn't happening.
You're my hero. It depends on how much your employer needs you I suppose, I had all sorts of new policies thought up by some pen pusher of other trying to justify their existence over the years, if it didn't make sense, was pointless, or made my life harder it just wasn't happening.
Stuart70 said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I've always found that is entirely how employment works.
It depends on how much your employer needs you I suppose, I had all sorts of new policies thought up by some pen pusher of other trying to justify their existence over the years, if it didn't make sense, was pointless, or made my life harder it just wasn't happening.
You're my hero. It depends on how much your employer needs you I suppose, I had all sorts of new policies thought up by some pen pusher of other trying to justify their existence over the years, if it didn't make sense, was pointless, or made my life harder it just wasn't happening.
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