DVLA are out to get me!!!

[WinstonWolf]

MikeDrop said:

I'd just pay the £100 and be done with it.

I got taken to court on a car that I'd sold around 18 months previous for no insurance. First I'd heard about it was when they took £500 out of my wages on the back of a successful court order.

I had to attend magistrates to sign a Statutory Declaration to swear I wasn't aware of the proceedings. Then had to attend another hearing in Swansea Magistrates to defend the case. The DVLA prosecutor took me into a room 30 mins before hearing and pointed to the bottom right hand corner of a, very well used, laminated blank log book (V5C). Where, in size 3 white writing on a grey background, said the words "if you do not receive confirmation... within 14 days... your responsibility... blah blah blah". He said, whilst pointing, "this is all the judge cares about. We can settle out of court today for £110 or you can defend the case and risk a £350 fine".

I paid the £110 just to be done with it all. Got the £500 back about 2 months later.

fkers.

You were mugged, the judge has to follow the law. If you posted it it is 'deemed served'...

[ricky302]

Tell them you moved to Northern Ireland.

[KevinCamaroSS]

MikeDrop said:

I'd just pay the £100 and be done with it.

I got taken to court on a car that I'd sold around 18 months previous for no insurance. First I'd heard about it was when they took £500 out of my wages on the back of a successful court order.

I had to attend magistrates to sign a Statutory Declaration to swear I wasn't aware of the proceedings. Then had to attend another hearing in Swansea Magistrates to defend the case. The DVLA prosecutor took me into a room 30 mins before hearing and pointed to the bottom right hand corner of a, very well used, laminated blank log book (V5C). Where, in size 3 white writing on a grey background, said the words "if you do not receive confirmation... within 14 days... your responsibility... blah blah blah". He said, whilst pointing, "this is all the judge cares about. We can settle out of court today for £110 or you can defend the case and risk a £350 fine".

I paid the £110 just to be done with it all. Got the £500 back about 2 months later.

fkers.

You have been scammed. There is no legal requirement to follow up, as soon as posted it is deemed delivered.

[Red Devil]

ricky302 said:

Tell them you moved to Northern Ireland.

Go on, enlighten us, how does that help?.

[therevday]

The crazy thing is I have told them I have sold the car. I have told them I have a policy that would cover me whether I owned it or not. I have even supplied the policy number from my policy,so it can be checked. I still have to go to court next month. Northern Ireland is not an option

[Sheepshanks]

WinstonWolf said:

You were mugged, the judge has to follow the law. If you posted it it is 'deemed served'...

So he says "yeah, everyone says that. Guilty". What then?

[SS2.]

therevday said:

The crazy thing is I have told them I have sold the car. I have told them I have a policy that would cover me whether I owned it or not. I have even supplied the policy number from my policy,so it can be checked.

It's not crazy.

They're not accusing you of using or keeping an uninsured vehicle on a road or other public place.

They're accusing you of being the Registered Keeper of a vehicle which did not have a valid policy of insurance in place.

And, as mentioned in a previous post, the fact you weren't the owner of the vehicle at the time renders the 'but I'm insured to drive any vehicle' exemption invalid.

[WinstonWolf]

Sheepshanks said:

WinstonWolf said:

You were mugged, the judge has to follow the law. If you posted it it is 'deemed served'...

So he says "yeah, everyone says that. Guilty". What then?

He won't thanks to the interpretations act. It's how they send out NIPs without using recorded post, if it's sent it's deemed to have been received.

[SS2.]

WinstonWolf said:

He won't thanks to the interpretations act. It's how they send out NIPs without using recorded post, if it's sent it's deemed to have been received.

Unless the contrary is proved, of course.

[WinstonWolf]

SS2. said:

WinstonWolf said:

He won't thanks to the interpretations act. It's how they send out NIPs without using recorded post, if it's sent it's deemed to have been received.

Unless the contrary is proved, of course.

Which the DVLA won't be able to do

[ricky302]

Red Devil said:

ricky302 said:

Tell them you moved to Northern Ireland.

Go on, enlighten us, how does that help?.

There is no continuous insurance in NI

[therevday]

Well I went to court today. I registered my attendance and waited. I spoke with one of the ushers who seemed like a nice chap ,about what a complete waste of time this was. Lucky for me that I did! While he was going in and out of the court room he heard my name mentioned as not being there and they were going to proceed without me!!! He stepped in and told them I was outside.This then meant a meeting in a room with the DVLA prosecutor. Two hours later I was lead into an interview room. I made it clear to this lady that the DVLA don't know their arse from their elbow. I was then shown the laminated V5C and pointed to the grey final section of the document. This she tried telling me was their way of making me pay a fine for not notifying them of change of keeper. I explained to her that I had sent off the yellow part of the V5C to them and I had completed my part of the legal requirement. She tried to tell me the law had changed she tried all sorts of legal directives. I told her I was more than happy to walk into the court room and state my defence. That seemed to change everything, she drew two red lines across the page and accepted the truth. No further action!!!! Don't be bullied into being fooled!! Thats three hours of my life I will never see again.!!!!

[havoc]

therevday said:

Thats three hours of my life I will never see again.!!!!

And how much taxpayers money wasted? All by an incompetent, bullying regime that doesn't ever seem to be held to account?!?

[sim16v]

therevday said:

Well I went to court today. I registered my attendance and waited. I spoke with one of the ushers who seemed like a nice chap ,about what a complete waste of time this was. Lucky for me that I did! While he was going in and out of the court room he heard my name mentioned as not being there and they were going to proceed without me!!! He stepped in and told them I was outside.This then meant a meeting in a room with the DVLA prosecutor. Two hours later I was lead into an interview room. I made it clear to this lady that the DVLA don't know their arse from their elbow. I was then shown the laminated V5C and pointed to the grey final section of the document. This she tried telling me was their way of making me pay a fine for not notifying them of change of keeper. I explained to her that I had sent off the yellow part of the V5C to them and I had completed my part of the legal requirement. She tried to tell me the law had changed she tried all sorts of legal directives. I told her I was more than happy to walk into the court room and state my defence. That seemed to change everything, she drew two red lines across the page and accepted the truth. No further action!!!! Don't be bullied into being fooled!! Thats three hours of my life I will never see again.!!!!

Result!

Can you claim expenses for your appearance?

I have had the letters in the past, so when they say I should refer to the grey final section of the document I always ask how can I, it has been posted to you!

[therevday]

I am not going to claim expenses. I left a job that I was on and returned to it. I feel that this has wasted too much money already! At the end of the day it costs us all. I would never want to add to that. It just proves that we are all being ripped off by government agencies and no one is ever accountable for it

[V8 Fettler]

therevday said:

Well I went to court today. I registered my attendance and waited. I spoke with one of the ushers who seemed like a nice chap ,about what a complete waste of time this was. Lucky for me that I did! While he was going in and out of the court room he heard my name mentioned as not being there and they were going to proceed without me!!! He stepped in and told them I was outside.This then meant a meeting in a room with the DVLA prosecutor. Two hours later I was lead into an interview room. I made it clear to this lady that the DVLA don't know their arse from their elbow. I was then shown the laminated V5C and pointed to the grey final section of the document. This she tried telling me was their way of making me pay a fine for not notifying them of change of keeper. I explained to her that I had sent off the yellow part of the V5C to them and I had completed my part of the legal requirement. She tried to tell me the law had changed she tried all sorts of legal directives. I told her I was more than happy to walk into the court room and state my defence. That seemed to change everything, she drew two red lines across the page and accepted the truth. No further action!!!! Don't be bullied into being fooled!! Thats three hours of my life I will never see again.!!!!

Defies belief! Well done for sticking with it.

I used to photograph the letter as it was halfway into the postbox, now screenshot the online process.

[The Mad Monk]

V8 Fettler said:

I used to photograph the letter as it was halfway into the postbox,

Yeah! That would work!

[Fore Left]

The Mad Monk said:

V8 Fettler said:

I used to photograph the letter as it was halfway into the postbox,

Yeah! That would work!

I suppose you could live stream the entire process on whatever social media platform is hip this week

[Fish]

sim16v said:

therevday said:

Well I went to court today. I registered my attendance and waited. I spoke with one of the ushers who seemed like a nice chap ,about what a complete waste of time this was. Lucky for me that I did! While he was going in and out of the court room he heard my name mentioned as not being there and they were going to proceed without me!!! He stepped in and told them I was outside.This then meant a meeting in a room with the DVLA prosecutor. Two hours later I was lead into an interview room. I made it clear to this lady that the DVLA don't know their arse from their elbow. I was then shown the laminated V5C and pointed to the grey final section of the document. This she tried telling me was their way of making me pay a fine for not notifying them of change of keeper. I explained to her that I had sent off the yellow part of the V5C to them and I had completed my part of the legal requirement. She tried to tell me the law had changed she tried all sorts of legal directives. I told her I was more than happy to walk into the court room and state my defence. That seemed to change everything, she drew two red lines across the page and accepted the truth. No further action!!!! Don't be bullied into being fooled!! Thats three hours of my life I will never see again.!!!!

Result!

Can you claim expenses for your appearance?

I have had the letters in the past, so when they say I should refer to the grey final section of the document I always ask how can I, it has been posted to you!

Can you not insist it goes infront of a judge now you've got there so they look like prats when they withdraw the claim? I don't know how it works but if they had been furnished with
the full facts before hand and still tried it on I'd want them to be fore a judge and I'd ask for expenses.

[Who_Goes_Blue]

therevday said:

Well I went to court today. I registered my attendance and waited. I spoke with one of the ushers who seemed like a nice chap ,about what a complete waste of time this was. Lucky for me that I did! While he was going in and out of the court room he heard my name mentioned as not being there and they were going to proceed without me!!! He stepped in and told them I was outside.This then meant a meeting in a room with the DVLA prosecutor. Two hours later I was lead into an interview room. I made it clear to this lady that the DVLA don't know their arse from their elbow. I was then shown the laminated V5C and pointed to the grey final section of the document. This she tried telling me was their way of making me pay a fine for not notifying them of change of keeper. I explained to her that I had sent off the yellow part of the V5C to them and I had completed my part of the legal requirement. She tried to tell me the law had changed she tried all sorts of legal directives. I told her I was more than happy to walk into the court room and state my defence. That seemed to change everything, she drew two red lines across the page and accepted the truth. No further action!!!! Don't be bullied into being fooled!! Thats three hours of my life I will never see again.!!!!

That is simply disgusting behavior on the part of the DVLA