DVLA are out to get me!!!

[Byker28i]

Fish said:

sim16v said:

therevday said:

Well I went to court today. I registered my attendance and waited. I spoke with one of the ushers who seemed like a nice chap ,about what a complete waste of time this was. Lucky for me that I did! While he was going in and out of the court room he heard my name mentioned as not being there and they were going to proceed without me!!! He stepped in and told them I was outside.This then meant a meeting in a room with the DVLA prosecutor. Two hours later I was lead into an interview room. I made it clear to this lady that the DVLA don't know their arse from their elbow. I was then shown the laminated V5C and pointed to the grey final section of the document. This she tried telling me was their way of making me pay a fine for not notifying them of change of keeper. I explained to her that I had sent off the yellow part of the V5C to them and I had completed my part of the legal requirement. She tried to tell me the law had changed she tried all sorts of legal directives. I told her I was more than happy to walk into the court room and state my defence. That seemed to change everything, she drew two red lines across the page and accepted the truth. No further action!!!! Don't be bullied into being fooled!! Thats three hours of my life I will never see again.!!!!

Result!

Can you claim expenses for your appearance?

I have had the letters in the past, so when they say I should refer to the grey final section of the document I always ask how can I, it has been posted to you!

Can you not insist it goes infront of a judge now you've got there so they look like prats when they withdraw the claim? I don't know how it works but if they had been furnished with
the full facts before hand and still tried it on I'd want them to be fore a judge and I'd ask for expenses.

Obviously the cost would be the £100 they tried to fine you plus 3 pints

[grumpy52]

I wonder how many people have legitimately prosecuted under the continuous insurance farce .
Those that drive without insurance willfully don't get caught by this farce ,time it was scrapped .

[xjay1337]

Good result for OP. What a waste of time though.

[catso]

grumpy52 said:

I wonder how many people have legitimately prosecuted under the continuous insurance farce .
Those that drive without insurance willfully don't get caught by this farce ,time it was scrapped .

Indeed but like the tax/SORN setup, it appears to have been designed as another tax on the legal/honest but forgetful.

[MikeDrop]

therevday said:

Well I went to court today. I registered my attendance and waited. I spoke with one of the ushers who seemed like a nice chap ,about what a complete waste of time this was. Lucky for me that I did! While he was going in and out of the court room he heard my name mentioned as not being there and they were going to proceed without me!!! He stepped in and told them I was outside.This then meant a meeting in a room with the DVLA prosecutor. Two hours later I was lead into an interview room. I made it clear to this lady that the DVLA don't know their arse from their elbow. I was then shown the laminated V5C and pointed to the grey final section of the document. This she tried telling me was their way of making me pay a fine for not notifying them of change of keeper. I explained to her that I had sent off the yellow part of the V5C to them and I had completed my part of the legal requirement. She tried to tell me the law had changed she tried all sorts of legal directives. I told her I was more than happy to walk into the court room and state my defence. That seemed to change everything, she drew two red lines across the page and accepted the truth. No further action!!!! Don't be bullied into being fooled!! Thats three hours of my life I will never see again.!!!!

Result! Exactly the same as my post above (quoted below). But I bottled it. Good to know in future cases though (inevitable with the amount of cars I go through).

MikeDrop said:

I'd just pay the £100 and be done with it.

I got taken to court on a car that I'd sold around 18 months previous for no insurance. First I'd heard about it was when they took £500 out of my wages on the back of a successful court order.

I had to attend magistrates to sign a Statutory Declaration to swear I wasn't aware of the proceedings. Then had to attend another hearing in Swansea Magistrates to defend the case. The DVLA prosecutor took me into a room 30 mins before hearing and pointed to the bottom right hand corner of a, very well used, laminated blank log book (V5C). Where, in size 3 white writing on a grey background, said the words "if you do not receive confirmation... within 14 days... your responsibility... blah blah blah". He said, whilst pointing, "this is all the judge cares about. We can settle out of court today for £110 or you can defend the case and risk a £350 fine".

I paid the £110 just to be done with it all. Got the £500 back about 2 months later.

fkers.

[Centurion07]

grumpy52 said:

I wonder how many people have legitimately prosecuted under the continuous insurance farce .
Those that drive without insurance willfully don't get caught by this farce ,time it was scrapped .

It's almost as if it's not there to punish the actual scallywags but to rake in some money from the easy targets...

[Trax]

MikeDrop said:

therevday said:

Well I went to court today. I registered my attendance and waited. I spoke with one of the ushers who seemed like a nice chap ,about what a complete waste of time this was. Lucky for me that I did! While he was going in and out of the court room he heard my name mentioned as not being there and they were going to proceed without me!!! He stepped in and told them I was outside.This then meant a meeting in a room with the DVLA prosecutor. Two hours later I was lead into an interview room. I made it clear to this lady that the DVLA don't know their arse from their elbow. I was then shown the laminated V5C and pointed to the grey final section of the document. This she tried telling me was their way of making me pay a fine for not notifying them of change of keeper. I explained to her that I had sent off the yellow part of the V5C to them and I had completed my part of the legal requirement. She tried to tell me the law had changed she tried all sorts of legal directives. I told her I was more than happy to walk into the court room and state my defence. That seemed to change everything, she drew two red lines across the page and accepted the truth. No further action!!!! Don't be bullied into being fooled!! Thats three hours of my life I will never see again.!!!!

Result! Exactly the same as my post above (quoted below). But I bottled it. Good to know in future cases though (inevitable with the amount of cars I go through).

MikeDrop said:

I'd just pay the £100 and be done with it.

I got taken to court on a car that I'd sold around 18 months previous for no insurance. First I'd heard about it was when they took £500 out of my wages on the back of a successful court order.

I had to attend magistrates to sign a Statutory Declaration to swear I wasn't aware of the proceedings. Then had to attend another hearing in Swansea Magistrates to defend the case. The DVLA prosecutor took me into a room 30 mins before hearing and pointed to the bottom right hand corner of a, very well used, laminated blank log book (V5C). Where, in size 3 white writing on a grey background, said the words "if you do not receive confirmation... within 14 days... your responsibility... blah blah blah". He said, whilst pointing, "this is all the judge cares about. We can settle out of court today for £110 or you can defend the case and risk a £350 fine".

I paid the £110 just to be done with it all. Got the £500 back about 2 months later.

fkers.

This is what peeves me off. Their solicitor pretty much lies to you to try and get you to accept the fine, if you cave they win, if not they just withdraw, so there is no detriment for them to go all the way to court in the first place. If they withdraw, there should be some financial cost which you receive, and I guess that is costs.

[handpaper]

Isn't it some kind of offence for an officer of the court to deceive or to attempt such a deception?

[havoc]

handpaper said:

Isn't it some kind of offence for an officer of the court to deceive or to attempt such a deception?

Solicitor isn't an officer of the court. And if it's all verbal, they can just claim mis-interpretation...

This, in general (but especially here) is a potential problem with public-sector bodies - it's not THEIR money in any sense, so they can just play the game and keep the meter running and generally lie/obstruct/intimidate the hell out of poor Joe Public until they get their way.

Some public bodies have oversight committees or regulated complaints structures to prevent just this sort of thing happening...sadly the DVLA isn't one of them.

[Truffles]

havoc said:

handpaper said:

Isn't it some kind of offence for an officer of the court to deceive or to attempt such a deception?

Solicitor isn't an officer of the court. And if it's all verbal, they can just claim mis-interpretation...

This, in general (but especially here) is a potential problem with public-sector bodies - it's not THEIR money in any sense, so they can just play the game and keep the meter running and generally lie/obstruct/intimidate the hell out of poor Joe Public until they get their way.

Some public bodies have oversight committees or regulated complaints structures to prevent just this sort of thing happening...sadly the DVLA isn't one of them.

A solicitor is an offer of the court. And taking advantage of a lack of legal knowledge of the other side is potential misconduct -see http://www.sra.org.uk/risk/resources/balancing-dut...

[havoc]

Ok, my mistake...

[V8 Fettler]

Truffles said:

havoc said:

handpaper said:

Isn't it some kind of offence for an officer of the court to deceive or to attempt such a deception?

Solicitor isn't an officer of the court. And if it's all verbal, they can just claim mis-interpretation...

This, in general (but especially here) is a potential problem with public-sector bodies - it's not THEIR money in any sense, so they can just play the game and keep the meter running and generally lie/obstruct/intimidate the hell out of poor Joe Public until they get their way.

Some public bodies have oversight committees or regulated complaints structures to prevent just this sort of thing happening...sadly the DVLA isn't one of them.

A solicitor is an offer of the court. And taking advantage of a lack of legal knowledge of the other side is potential misconduct -see http://www.sra.org.uk/risk/resources/balancing-dut...

Equality of arms is frequently ignored.

[Red Devil]

Fish said:

sim16v said:

therevday said:

Well I went to court today. I registered my attendance and waited. I spoke with one of the ushers who seemed like a nice chap ,about what a complete waste of time this was. Lucky for me that I did! While he was going in and out of the court room he heard my name mentioned as not being there and they were going to proceed without me!!! He stepped in and told them I was outside.This then meant a meeting in a room with the DVLA prosecutor. Two hours later I was lead into an interview room. I made it clear to this lady that the DVLA don't know their arse from their elbow. I was then shown the laminated V5C and pointed to the grey final section of the document. This she tried telling me was their way of making me pay a fine for not notifying them of change of keeper. I explained to her that I had sent off the yellow part of the V5C to them and I had completed my part of the legal requirement. She tried to tell me the law had changed she tried all sorts of legal directives. I told her I was more than happy to walk into the court room and state my defence. That seemed to change everything, she drew two red lines across the page and accepted the truth. No further action!!!! Don't be bullied into being fooled!! Thats three hours of my life I will never see again.!!!!

Result!

Can you claim expenses for your appearance?

I have had the letters in the past, so when they say I should refer to the grey final section of the document I always ask how can I, it has been posted to you!

Can you not insist it goes infront of a judge now you've got there so they look like prats when they withdraw the claim? I don't know how it works but if they had been furnished with the full facts before hand and still tried it on I'd want them to be fore a judge and I'd ask for expenses.

Unfortunately, the answer is no.

havoc said:

Some public bodies have oversight committees or regulated complaints structures to prevent just this sort of thing happening...sadly the DVLA isn't one of them.

Only too true.

However there is one avenue which can be used - https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/making-complaint/comp...
Unfortunately to do so you need the support of your MP - https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/making-complaint/befo...

If everyone who is unfairly targeted did this then something might actually get done to obtain proper independent oversight of/accountability by the DVLA.

[BlueHave]

ricky302 said:

Red Devil said:

ricky302 said:

Tell them you moved to Northern Ireland.

Go on, enlighten us, how does that help?.

There is no continuous insurance in NI

You can also do doughnuts in broad daylight in the middle of a public street a mile from Belfast and the plod don't seem to turn up and deal with the issue

http://www.itv.com/news/utv/2017-07-20/north-belfa...