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OP comes across as a entitled little so and so!
Only and idiot would take this to court. The plates are illegal and so only a harsh lesson is to be learned from this I cannot understand why anyone would need to be told 7 times by plod that their plates are a problem and still not do something about it.
Get the correct plates on, loose the daft conspiracy theories about 'the man' oppressing you and stop being so argumentative.
Failing that enjoy the school holidays!
Only and idiot would take this to court. The plates are illegal and so only a harsh lesson is to be learned from this I cannot understand why anyone would need to be told 7 times by plod that their plates are a problem and still not do something about it.
Get the correct plates on, loose the daft conspiracy theories about 'the man' oppressing you and stop being so argumentative.
Failing that enjoy the school holidays!
Let's go right back to the beginning.
Unlawful.
You have decided that the plate doesn't need to have an identification mark to show that is satisfies the retroreflective construction of teh backing to the non-reflective letters.
Unlawful.
Unlawful.
There isn't much purpose in taking this to a magistrates' court as your plates are unlawful. Magistrates are used to dealing with belligerant folk who dislike regulations applied to them and to which they don't comply. I think you are heading for a disapointment.
Mrgrumps said:
I have been pulled 7 times over my number plates , most police have just let me go 4 said they will take me to court, 3 decided not to . The one taking me to court did all the checks and my number plates passed all tests , so he changed his tactic and is taking me to court because they don't have the post code or bs number but I don't see why I should advertise someone else's replacement number plate business on my car . As for the bs number i don't understand why some very small letters and numbers you can only read if you are a foot away have any relevance on identifying the car as they have checked the car from the reg that they can clearly see . I feel the police are only on the road to extract as much money from the public as possible
The Law said:
The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001
SCHEDULE 2REQUIREMENTS FOR REGISTRATION PLATES
PART 1VEHICLES REGISTERED AND NEW REGISTRATION PLATES FITTED ON OR AFTER 1ST SEPTEMBER 2001 (MANDATORY SPECIFICATION)
1. The plate must be made of retroreflecting material which, as regards its construction, colour and other qualities, complies with the requirements of—
(a)the British Standard specification for retroreflecting number plates published on 15 January 1998 under number BS AU 145d(1), or
(b)any other relevant standard or specification recognised for use in an EEA State and which, when in use, offers a performance equivalent to that offered by a plate complying with the British Standard specification,
and which, in either case, is marked with the number (or such other information as is necessary to permit identification) of that standard or specification.
2. Where the registration mark is displayed on the front of the vehicle, it must have black characters on a white background.
3. Where the registration mark is displayed on the back of the vehicle, it must have black characters on a yellow background.
If the plate has a tint or has a tinted layer placed over the top of it then the plate doesn't meet the reqquirements to be blak and white or black and yellow.SCHEDULE 2REQUIREMENTS FOR REGISTRATION PLATES
PART 1VEHICLES REGISTERED AND NEW REGISTRATION PLATES FITTED ON OR AFTER 1ST SEPTEMBER 2001 (MANDATORY SPECIFICATION)
1. The plate must be made of retroreflecting material which, as regards its construction, colour and other qualities, complies with the requirements of—
(a)the British Standard specification for retroreflecting number plates published on 15 January 1998 under number BS AU 145d(1), or
(b)any other relevant standard or specification recognised for use in an EEA State and which, when in use, offers a performance equivalent to that offered by a plate complying with the British Standard specification,
and which, in either case, is marked with the number (or such other information as is necessary to permit identification) of that standard or specification.
2. Where the registration mark is displayed on the front of the vehicle, it must have black characters on a white background.
3. Where the registration mark is displayed on the back of the vehicle, it must have black characters on a yellow background.
Unlawful.
You have decided that the plate doesn't need to have an identification mark to show that is satisfies the retroreflective construction of teh backing to the non-reflective letters.
Unlawful.
The Law said:
The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001
Further requirements for registration plates
11.—(1) No reflex-reflecting material may be applied to any part of a registration plate and the plate must not be treated in such a way that the characters of the registration mark become, or are caused to act as, retroreflective characters.
(2) A registration plate must not be treated in any other way which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which would prevent or impair the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
(3) A registration plate must not be fixed to a vehicle—
(a)by means of a screw, bolt or other fixing device of any type or colour,
(b)by the placing of a screw, bolt or other fixing device in any position, or
(c)in any other manner,
which has the effect of changing the appearance or legibility of any of the characters of the registration mark, which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which prevents or impairs the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
(4) Section 59(2)(a) of the Act (regulations the contravention of which attracts a level 3 fine) applies to paragraphs (1), (2) and (3) of this regulation.
If you apply a tint to a registration plate you will alter the contrast between the letters and the backgroundso it fails the test here.Further requirements for registration plates
11.—(1) No reflex-reflecting material may be applied to any part of a registration plate and the plate must not be treated in such a way that the characters of the registration mark become, or are caused to act as, retroreflective characters.
(2) A registration plate must not be treated in any other way which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which would prevent or impair the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
(3) A registration plate must not be fixed to a vehicle—
(a)by means of a screw, bolt or other fixing device of any type or colour,
(b)by the placing of a screw, bolt or other fixing device in any position, or
(c)in any other manner,
which has the effect of changing the appearance or legibility of any of the characters of the registration mark, which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which prevents or impairs the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
(4) Section 59(2)(a) of the Act (regulations the contravention of which attracts a level 3 fine) applies to paragraphs (1), (2) and (3) of this regulation.
Unlawful.
There isn't much purpose in taking this to a magistrates' court as your plates are unlawful. Magistrates are used to dealing with belligerant folk who dislike regulations applied to them and to which they don't comply. I think you are heading for a disapointment.
singlecoil said:
Sebring440 said:
singlecoil said:
I can't be bothered with arguments based on semantics.
Now that has got to be the actual definition of the pot calling the kettle black! But are you seriously proud of the number of "arguments" that you've had on here? Is that your sole reason for logging on to PH every evening?
Sebring440 said:
singlecoil said:
Sebring440 said:
singlecoil said:
I can't be bothered with arguments based on semantics.
Now that has got to be the actual definition of the pot calling the kettle black! But are you seriously proud of the number of "arguments" that you've had on here? Is that your sole reason for logging on to PH every evening?
Sebring440 said:
singlecoil said:
At least I, unlike you, have never been banned for the forum. So I must be doing something right
Ha ha! You've always shown in your "arguments" that you have have a vivid imagination.
Now come on, answer the question.
Mrgrumps said:
I'm not really bothered about them pulling me it's how rude they are thinking they can control me . It's about once a month they pull me for last 8 months . My plates don't look wrong just different
Of course they can control you. It's called a law. If the plan wasn't to control, they'd be guidelines.The fuzz aren't pulling you over for s
ts and giggles, or a power trip - they are just doing their job.You can get away with all sorts for plates - to get pulled repeatedly implies you're well into piss taking category.
Weirdly, I was over near Bradford (OP is West Yorkshire) this afternoon picking up an old sewing machine stand to make a table out of and on the way back, a black BMW with a tinted rear plate, no idea about the front, came flying past.
I immediately thought of the st plates thread but was driving so didn't snap it.
OP, if it was your BMW knocking about the top of the M606/A650 around 2 ish today - your rear plates are tinted like a knobber and you deserve to be stopped.
If it wasn't you, then as you were - Don't see what all the fuss is about, except the minor not being legal detail
I immediately thought of the s
t plates thread but was driving so didn't snap it.OP, if it was your BMW knocking about the top of the M606/A650 around 2 ish today - your rear plates are tinted like a knobber and you deserve to be stopped.
If it wasn't you, then as you were - Don't see what all the fuss is about, except the minor not being legal detail
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