wanted and furious driving(riding). Court case.
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cb1965 said:
The percentage of cyclists acting like utter knobs on the roads far outweighs the percentage of motorised vehicle drivers doing likewise.
I'm a motorist myself and i know we're quite late into 2017 already but that's probably the most bias and least accurate comment i've heard in quite some time.Take the rose tinted specs off
I see countless fellow motorists breaking the law every few miles...
Parking on double yellow lines
Breaking speed limits
Hogging middle lanes of motorways
Flooring it through amber / red lights when there is plenty of time to stop
Driving into cyclist ASL after the light has went red.
Using mobiles when driving
Unable to distinguish what the correct lane is to be in a roundabout etc etc
Sure, i see cyclists acting like bell ends as well but anywhere near the volume as other drivers.
cb1965 said:
I've read some self righteous b
ks in my time but this load of nonsense takes the cake! The percentage of cyclists acting like utter knobs on the roads far outweighs the percentage of motorised vehicle drivers doing likewise. That is why such ire is reserved for cyclists! End of!
But as he says, it is staggeringly hypocritical.ks in my time but this load of nonsense takes the cake! The percentage of cyclists acting like utter knobs on the roads far outweighs the percentage of motorised vehicle drivers doing likewise. That is why such ire is reserved for cyclists! End of!In short, the people who disregard the rules en masse in 1500kg vehicles complain bitterly about those who do likewise on 15kg vehicles.
It is utter and total mass numptyism. It is devoid of all sense and logic. It is f
kwitism on a tremendous scale by people who can't drive. Millions of st drivers complaining about fk all, whilst grinding the roads to a standstill nationwide. It is just such mass stupidity. Decades ago I came to the conclusion that the average British driver is all but incapable of dealing with any challenge at all, and this is never so clear to me as when I see this mass bleating about cyclists.
It surprises me to see it on a car enthusiasts site though. I don't think I've ever heard any of my car enthusiast
friends utter so much as a word about cyclists, f
k me we'd take the piss mercilessly if they came to the pub crying because they couldn't overtake a cyclist. 
Retroman said:
I'm a motorist myself and i know we're quite late into 2017 already but that's probably the most bias and least accurate comment i've heard in quite some time.
Take the rose tinted specs off
I see countless fellow motorists breaking the law every few miles...
Parking on double yellow lines
Breaking speed limits
Hogging middle lanes of motorways
Flooring it through amber / red lights when there is plenty of time to stop
Driving into cyclist ASL after the light has went red.
Using mobiles when driving
Unable to distinguish what the correct lane is to be in a roundabout etc etc
Sure, i see cyclists acting like bell ends as well but anywhere near the volume as other drivers.
I agree. Have you noticed drivers on roundabouts - have you seen how many drivers are simply incapable of just sticking between white line and staying in lane nowadays? Take the rose tinted specs off
I see countless fellow motorists breaking the law every few miles...
Parking on double yellow lines
Breaking speed limits
Hogging middle lanes of motorways
Flooring it through amber / red lights when there is plenty of time to stop
Driving into cyclist ASL after the light has went red.
Using mobiles when driving
Unable to distinguish what the correct lane is to be in a roundabout etc etc
Sure, i see cyclists acting like bell ends as well but anywhere near the volume as other drivers.
Lane discipline - go on to any motorway and see the chronic lane discipline. What percentage might be in the wrong lane at any one time, 80%? And yet you cross the channel into France and it simply stops. You can travel the continent and you'll never see such bad lane discipline until you get back to Blighty. And of course, continental drivers can cope with cyclists too, in f
king greater numbers. And as you say, use of mobiles when driving. It's diabolical in central Birmingham now. In the capital of crash-for-cash, the number of people using devices whilst driving has to be more than 50% now.
f
k me, I need reminding what the problem is with cyclists now. Edited by heebeegeetee on Thursday 28th September 02:04
heebeegeetee said:
I don't think I've ever heard any of my car enthusiast
friends utter so much as a word about cyclists, fk me we'd take the piss mercilessly if they came to the pub crying because they couldn't overtake a cyclist.
Actually it's funny you should say something like that. Here's a real world example of a junction I use a lot and where I often decide to add a few minutes to my route rather than take the chance of 'killing' a cyclist.friends utter so much as a word about cyclists, f
k me we'd take the piss mercilessly if they came to the pub crying because they couldn't overtake a cyclist. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4936058,-0.10043...
I am travelling in the direction of the white van but want to turn left. If you look the road markings indicate you should filter into the left hand turning lane just before the cycle lane starts at the end of the bus lane. Now imagine it's winter and dark and wet and I am in the lane next to the bus lane indicating to turn left .... there are a lot of cyclists coming up the bus lane aiming for the cycle lane. In my mirror I can see those with their lights on and of course none of them are prepared to stop and let you across... why would they, they're cyclists in London
What I cannot see though are the ones with no lights.... and that will be at least 20% of them. So what do I do? Well after a few verbal altercations with the bell ends with no lights I have since decide it's not worth it so go straight on and add 5 minutes to my journey.... I do this do avoid either killing one or having to interact with those who think having no lights is their divine right and I should still be able to see them (despite the fact the ones with no lights seem to dress in black to add to the 'challenge') as life's just too short. In summer it's fine, but in winter when it's dark/wet during rush hour it's a lottery there and sadly winter is approaching. Ah well, bless them as they're saving the planet!cb1965 said:
Actually it's funny you should say something like that. Here's a real world example of a junction I use a lot and where I often decide to add a few minutes to my route rather than take the chance of 'killing' a cyclist.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4936058,-0.10043...
I am travelling in the direction of the white van but want to turn left. If you look the road markings indicate you should filter into the left hand turning lane just before the cycle lane starts at the end of the bus lane. Now imagine it's winter and dark and wet and I am in the lane next to the bus lane indicating to turn left .... there are a lot of cyclists coming up the bus lane aiming for the cycle lane. In my mirror I can see those with their lights on and of course none of them are prepared to stop and let you across... why would they, they're cyclists in London What I cannot see though are the ones with no lights.... and that will be at least 20% of them. So what do I do? Well after a few verbal altercations with the bell ends with no lights I have since decide it's not worth it so go straight on and add 5 minutes to my journey.... I do this do avoid either killing one or having to interact with those who think having no lights is their divine right and I should still be able to see them (despite the fact the ones with no lights seem to dress in black to add to the 'challenge') as life's just too short. In summer it's fine, but in winter when it's dark/wet during rush hour it's a lottery there and sadly winter is approaching. Ah well, bless them as they're saving the planet!
So in other words, having to share the roads with other traffic is costing you time, but what's really bothering you is that this traffic is different to you and therefore shouldn't be allowed? https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4936058,-0.10043...
I am travelling in the direction of the white van but want to turn left. If you look the road markings indicate you should filter into the left hand turning lane just before the cycle lane starts at the end of the bus lane. Now imagine it's winter and dark and wet and I am in the lane next to the bus lane indicating to turn left .... there are a lot of cyclists coming up the bus lane aiming for the cycle lane. In my mirror I can see those with their lights on and of course none of them are prepared to stop and let you across... why would they, they're cyclists in London
What I cannot see though are the ones with no lights.... and that will be at least 20% of them. So what do I do? Well after a few verbal altercations with the bell ends with no lights I have since decide it's not worth it so go straight on and add 5 minutes to my journey.... I do this do avoid either killing one or having to interact with those who think having no lights is their divine right and I should still be able to see them (despite the fact the ones with no lights seem to dress in black to add to the 'challenge') as life's just too short. In summer it's fine, but in winter when it's dark/wet during rush hour it's a lottery there and sadly winter is approaching. Ah well, bless them as they're saving the planet!Some 25 years ago I had a route which meant a right turn at a set of lights. However at the peak time when i would be making that journey, oncoming traffic would simply refuse to stop at the amber traffic light as required, and might also pinch a bit of the red light too, and thus would delay us waiting to turn right. It would also mean that I/we could be left stranded in the middle of the junction when the lights in the other direction went green.
It was so bloody infuriating and the blatant illegality of jumping the lights was winding me up so much that I elected to take a different route which also cost me about 5 mins. Not just in the winter, but all year, and this as I say was 25 years ago and I did this for some 10 years.
Of course this 'amber gambling' is still rife today, happens all over the country at possibly tens or hundreds of thousands of junctions on a daily basis, delaying countless drivers from making legitimate right turns.
You're complaining that cyclists (aka other people) are costing you time, but you (and I) are putting vehicles on the road during working hours which means we contribute to crushing congestion which costs us and the economy billions in terms of time and money.
I suggest you stop worrying about what others do, recognise what you do (and recognise that you are contributing to illegal levels of air pollution which the cyclists are not) and of course, accept that you are traffic just like everyone else is.
I dare say that countless other drivers have also had to take differing routes for their sanity, and have been doing so decades. There's nothing new under the sun.
Retroman said:
cb1965 said:
The percentage of cyclists acting like utter knobs on the roads far outweighs the percentage of motorised vehicle drivers doing likewise.
I'm a motorist myself and i know we're quite late into 2017 already but that's probably the most bias and least accurate comment i've heard in quite some time.heebeegeetee said:
So in other words, having to share the roads with other traffic is costing you time, but what's really bothering you is that this traffic is different to you and therefore shouldn't be allowed?
No, what's bothering me is that they are riding around in the dark and the rain with no lights. I really thought that was quite obvious from my post and that even you could understand that. In fact I suspect you did understand that, but want to be your usual abrasive self to instigate yet another pointless exchange.heebeegeetee said:
So in other words, having to share the roads with other traffic is costing you time, but what's really bothering you is that this traffic is different to you and therefore shouldn't be allowed?
Wow... Just... Wow.If you had any credibility left, you just shredded it right there. He mentioned cyclists putting themselves in danger, explained that he doesn't want to hurt or kill someone or end up in altercations so has gone to extra lengths that he shouldn't have to just to avoid such, and that's what you respond with?
Mind. Blown.
cb1965 said:
No, what's bothering me is that they are riding around in the dark and the rain with no lights. I really thought that was quite obvious from my post and that even you could understand that. In fact I suspect you did understand that, but want to be your usual abrasive self to instigate yet another pointless exchange.
No I fully understand that, and that's why I told you that 25 years ago I had to do the same because of people putting both myself and themselves in danger. As I said previously (and many repeat but you ignore), the people charging about illegally in 1500kg vehicles are a massively bigger problem than those on 15kg.I totally get what you're saying; my point is that it's part and parcel of using the roads. I know there are cyclists stupidly riding without lights, just as there are poeple driving without rear lights (exacerbated by manufacturers now making it confusing as to whether vehicle lights are on or not), modern leds dazzling people, self-levelling headlight systems that rarely work as they should, not to mention the utter stupidity of drivers tinting their windows and going on to kill as a result. I also know that we all en masse ignore HC advice on making ourselves visible as pedestrians https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules...
It's all part of using the roads. Just imagine how easy our lives would be if we all followed all of the rules, all of the time, eh?
TroubledSoul said:
Wow... Just... Wow.
If you had any credibility left, you just shredded it right there. He mentioned cyclists putting themselves in danger, explained that he doesn't want to hurt or kill someone or end up in altercations so has gone to extra lengths that he shouldn't have to just to avoid such, and that's what you respond with?
And I rsponded that I was having to do exactly the same 25 years ago, and I've no doubt there are countless other people doing the same today. Some will involve cyclists but the vast majority won't.If you had any credibility left, you just shredded it right there. He mentioned cyclists putting themselves in danger, explained that he doesn't want to hurt or kill someone or end up in altercations so has gone to extra lengths that he shouldn't have to just to avoid such, and that's what you respond with?
London must be different from the rest of the UK then as although i've seen cyclists out on the road now and then at night without lights (idiotic) i've seen about 1000 times more motorists driving about at night with just the daytime driving lights on which means the rear lights aren't active.
Apparently because on most modern cars the dashboard lights up with the ignition, has caused a massive increase in motorists driving about at night with insufficient / no lighting
Apparently because on most modern cars the dashboard lights up with the ignition, has caused a massive increase in motorists driving about at night with insufficient / no lighting
cb1965 said:
The percentage of cyclists acting like utter knobs on the roads far outweighs the percentage of motorised vehicle drivers doing likewise.
There are 610,000 cycle journeys per day in London and 6,200,000 car journeys per day ( excluding commercial vehicles ) so for there to be more cyclists than car drivers disobeying the HC (loose definition of knob) then even if only 10% of car drivers are morons, even if 100% of cyclists are is still not enough to be more in number which is why you are reduced to spouting nonsense about percentages as though cyclists and drivers are a different species
Edited by Car-Matt on Thursday 28th September 13:50
Retroman said:
cb1965 said:
The percentage of cyclists acting like utter knobs on the roads far outweighs the percentage of motorised vehicle drivers doing likewise.
I'm a motorist myself and i know we're quite late into 2017 already but that's probably the most bias and least accurate comment i've heard in quite some time.Take the rose tinted specs off
I see countless fellow motorists breaking the law every few miles...
Parking on double yellow lines
Breaking speed limits
Hogging middle lanes of motorways
Flooring it through amber / red lights when there is plenty of time to stop
Driving into cyclist ASL after the light has went red.
Using mobiles when driving
Unable to distinguish what the correct lane is to be in a roundabout etc etc
Sure, i see cyclists acting like bell ends as well but anywhere near the volume as other drivers.
Firstly: The point you were incorrectly arguing against was percentages, not volumes. (obviously)
Secondly, as there are less cyclist overall, the chances are the volume of bellends is likely identical.
Thirdly, some motorists also cycle and could be double-bellends for all any of us know.
Edited by Kuji on Thursday 28th September 14:06
Meanwhile where I live.
The other day a local politician of the green party had a big article in the rag about how she cycles 40km everyday to work and back, all through the year. That's all well, but, she proudly states that she very rarely holds the handlebar, instead she flaps around with her arms to make the drivers "aware", if the flapping does not work she will steer towards the car.
The above is not only illegal, you have to have at least one hand on the handlebar at all times, it is also utterly idiotic and very dangerous.
The other day a local politician of the green party had a big article in the rag about how she cycles 40km everyday to work and back, all through the year. That's all well, but, she proudly states that she very rarely holds the handlebar, instead she flaps around with her arms to make the drivers "aware", if the flapping does not work she will steer towards the car.
The above is not only illegal, you have to have at least one hand on the handlebar at all times, it is also utterly idiotic and very dangerous.
Finlandia said:
Meanwhile where I live.
The other day a local politician of the green party had a big article in the rag about how she cycles 40km everyday to work and back, all through the year. That's all well, but, she proudly states that she very rarely holds the handlebar, instead she flaps around with her arms to make the drivers "aware", if the flapping does not work she will steer towards the car.
The above is not only illegal, you have to have at least one hand on the handlebar at all times, it is also utterly idiotic and very dangerous.
Thankfully she is about as representative of cyclists as Cb1965 is of unbiased rational discussionThe other day a local politician of the green party had a big article in the rag about how she cycles 40km everyday to work and back, all through the year. That's all well, but, she proudly states that she very rarely holds the handlebar, instead she flaps around with her arms to make the drivers "aware", if the flapping does not work she will steer towards the car.
The above is not only illegal, you have to have at least one hand on the handlebar at all times, it is also utterly idiotic and very dangerous.
TroubledSoul said:
Do you have any figures to back that up?
What was that about credibility...?TroubledSoul said:
I don't feel the need to add anything further on this thread as it's clear it's mostly a waste of time.
If you're going to stay, will you at least acknowledge that you were wrong regarding your assumptions earlier in the thread?Oh, and this too please?
will_ said:
TroubledSoul said:
This.
Bleating cries of "Oh never mind what he did, car drivers have done X and Y...".
Can you find a single such quote on this thread or any other about this case?Bleating cries of "Oh never mind what he did, car drivers have done X and Y...".
Finlandia said:
Car-Matt said:
Thankfully she is about as representative of cyclists as Cb1965 is of unbiased rational discussion
Unfortunately, where I live, her views are shared by many cyclists/green party members 
Too much exposure to self-assembly furniture: it's enough to make anyone flap their arms about.
will_ said:
TroubledSoul said:
Do you have any figures to back that up?
What was that about credibility...?As for the other stuff, I've decided to take the heebeegeetee approach and ignore it as I can't really be arsed. The apologists will only twist the quotes.
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