wanted and furious driving(riding). Court case.
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cb1965 said:
She isn't in Germany, Belgium or any other of these Utopias you often espouse about. She's in London and I am laughing at the notion you think she should be able to make journeys like that on her own. Firstly you have no idea where she is travelling from or to and secondly as it involves crossing London she would likely fall foul of the idiot cyclists if she tried 
Typical British Can't Do attitude. God it's held us back over the years. cb1965 said:
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
will_ said:
I think you'll find that's CB1965's approach - "I can refute what you're saying, but I just can't be bothered." What that means is (a) you can't refute it or (b) you won't acknowledge where you are wrong. What is the point in engaging in discussions if you won't respond when challenged? It's bizarre.
It's not, it's a combination of the fact that I don't have as much time to waste on hear as you and your cohorts and it wouldn't matter what evidence was presented to you as you will never have your mind changed by something you read in a forum... let's face it we're all pretty much entrenched in our opinions, only yours is wrong of course!You seem to have enough time to waste posting your bile on numerous cycling threads. Why not be more constructive? Why not educate yourself a bit before spouting off? Then you might realise that it is you who is wrong. Not, of course, that you would ever admit it.
will_ said:
No, you don't. I have previously asked you perfectly reasonable questions which you dismiss with a flurry of insults. But I know that you are the type that is not only unwilling to be challenged, you're not even willing to undertake your own analysis. So you won't even try to engage in any sensible or meaningful discussion, because you have no interest at all in debating the issues, you just want to hand out insults and prejudice - it's all you ever seem to do with these threads, nothing constructive whatsoever.
You're being dishonest on several levels here, but cutting to the chase people like you cannot be reasoned with as reason is not what you're after, what you're after is everyone agreeing with your opinion. Sorry, but I can't do that as it's blinkered and ill thought out! heebeegeetee said:
cb1965 said:
She isn't in Germany, Belgium or any other of these Utopias you often espouse about. She's in London and I am laughing at the notion you think she should be able to make journeys like that on her own. Firstly you have no idea where she is travelling from or to and secondly as it involves crossing London she would likely fall foul of the idiot cyclists if she tried
Typical British Can't Do attitude. God it's held us back over the years. Mr2Mike said:
Indeed it has. Improving road users behaviours? Can't do it according to you.
When have I ever said that? Indeed it's road users bad behaviour that I might be accused of banging on about. I might be going on about numpties in cars though, given the wider consequence of that. cb1965 said:
You could do to stop mentioning God, only the incredibly stupid believe in that sort of utter nonsense!
Well clearly that's not true either, indeed it's one of the big conundrums of religion. Just to put your mind at rest though, I'm an atheist who happens to blaspheme a lot. A bit like when I say 'f
k me', I'm not really asking people to do that. cb1965 said:
will_ said:
No, you don't. I have previously asked you perfectly reasonable questions which you dismiss with a flurry of insults. But I know that you are the type that is not only unwilling to be challenged, you're not even willing to undertake your own analysis. So you won't even try to engage in any sensible or meaningful discussion, because you have no interest at all in debating the issues, you just want to hand out insults and prejudice - it's all you ever seem to do with these threads, nothing constructive whatsoever.
You're being dishonest on several levels here, but cutting to the chase people like you cannot be reasoned with as reason is not what you're after, what you're after is everyone agreeing with your opinion. Sorry, but I can't do that as it's blinkered and ill thought out! I am perfectly capable of being reasoned with if a substantiated argument or evidence is provided. You do neither! Indeed you refuse to do so - how do you think that will change anyone's views?
No comments on this yet, as it's fairly recent but wouldn't be surprised if anyone ignores the pedestrians stepping out into oncoming traffic 10ft away from a crossing and criticises the filtering cyclist instead.
Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
And another.....even though she stepped out into the path of oncoming traffic, without looking properly and without using a crossing a few seconds from her, she doesn't think it's her fault, which is why it's such a common theme.
https://youtu.be/sSMf-dSGfPc?t=4m27s
Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
And another.....even though she stepped out into the path of oncoming traffic, without looking properly and without using a crossing a few seconds from her, she doesn't think it's her fault, which is why it's such a common theme.
https://youtu.be/sSMf-dSGfPc?t=4m27s
Edited by Retroman on Saturday 30th September 21:19
Retroman said:
No comments on this yet, as it's fairly recent but wouldn't be surprised if anyone ignores the pedestrians stepping out into oncoming traffic 10ft away from a crossing and criticises the filtering cyclist instead.
Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
Careless pedestrians meet cyclist with a lack of upcoming hazard perception. Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
You can clearly see the both of their heads above the roof of the green car.
I'm not sure I would describe the cyclist's progress on that street as 'going slow' either.
One thing that might help is if a bell was made a compulsory fitment in Great Britain.
By an odd quirk of UK law it is a legal requirement in Northern Ireland.
Retroman said:
And another.....even though she stepped out into the path of oncoming traffic, without looking properly and without using a crossing a few seconds from her, she doesn't think it's her fault, which is why it's such a common theme.
https://youtu.be/sSMf-dSGfPc?t=4m27s
In this case https://youtu.be/sSMf-dSGfPc?t=4m27s
a zombie pedestrian.Retroman said:
No comments on this yet, as it's fairly recent but wouldn't be surprised if anyone ignores the pedestrians stepping out into oncoming traffic 10ft away from a crossing and criticises the filtering cyclist instead.
Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
And another.....even though she stepped out into the path of oncoming traffic, without looking properly and without using a crossing a few seconds from her, she doesn't think it's her fault, which is why it's such a common theme.
https://youtu.be/sSMf-dSGfPc?t=4m27s
Lets just say the cyclist and motorcyclist died, what charge would the pedestrian face?Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
And another.....even though she stepped out into the path of oncoming traffic, without looking properly and without using a crossing a few seconds from her, she doesn't think it's her fault, which is why it's such a common theme.
https://youtu.be/sSMf-dSGfPc?t=4m27s
Edited by Retroman on Saturday 30th September 21:19
Retroman said:
No comments on this yet, as it's fairly recent but wouldn't be surprised if anyone ignores the pedestrians stepping out into oncoming traffic 10ft away from a crossing and criticises the filtering cyclist instead.
Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
Are you kidding? Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
The cyclist is bombing it inches away from stationary traffic on a busy high street where the likelihood of pedestrians crossing from between the traffic is extremely high...
FazerBoy said:
Retroman said:
No comments on this yet, as it's fairly recent but wouldn't be surprised if anyone ignores the pedestrians stepping out into oncoming traffic 10ft away from a crossing and criticises the filtering cyclist instead.
Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
Are you kidding? Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
The cyclist is bombing it inches away from stationary traffic on a busy high street where the likelihood of pedestrians crossing from between the traffic is extremely high...
FazerBoy said:
Retroman said:
No comments on this yet, as it's fairly recent but wouldn't be surprised if anyone ignores the pedestrians stepping out into oncoming traffic 10ft away from a crossing and criticises the filtering cyclist instead.
Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
Are you kidding? Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
The cyclist is bombing it inches away from stationary traffic on a busy high street where the likelihood of pedestrians crossing from between the traffic is extremely high...
You would think that people might expect it to happen.
FazerBoy said:
Are you kidding?
The cyclist is bombing it inches away from stationary traffic on a busy high street where the likelihood of pedestrians crossing from between the traffic is extremely high...
I'd hardly say about 15mph is bombing itThe cyclist is bombing it inches away from stationary traffic on a busy high street where the likelihood of pedestrians crossing from between the traffic is extremely high...
Engineer792 said:
Every time I drive in heavy traffic in places like that, I always see pedestrians darting out from between stationary traffic.
You would think that people might expect it to happen.
You'd think that adults would be able to use the green cross code correctly and cross a road safely as well.You would think that people might expect it to happen.
This isn't to suggest there aren't idiot cyclists about, plenty of them.
Just to highlight that pedestrians causing accidents by not paying attention is a common theme and there is little that anyone's wanting to do to address it.
Pedestrian knocks off cyclist by stepping onto cycle lane without looking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ84NESofKU&li...
Cyclist almost knocks over woman who runs out into road without looking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-PuD8fSI-I&li...
Retroman said:
FazerBoy said:
Are you kidding?
The cyclist is bombing it inches away from stationary traffic on a busy high street where the likelihood of pedestrians crossing from between the traffic is extremely high...
I'd hardly say about 15mph is bombing itThe cyclist is bombing it inches away from stationary traffic on a busy high street where the likelihood of pedestrians crossing from between the traffic is extremely high...
Or, more accurately, failure to slow down when approaching a place where it's difficult to see whether or not there's a pedestrian about to step in front of you.
Retroman said:
Engineer792 said:
Every time I drive in heavy traffic in places like that, I always see pedestrians darting out from between stationary traffic.
You would think that people might expect it to happen.
You'd think that adults would be able to use the green cross code correctly and cross a road safely as well.You would think that people might expect it to happen.
heebeegeetee said:
Mr2Mike said:
Indeed it has. Improving road users behaviours? Can't do it according to you.
When have I ever said that? Indeed it's road users bad behaviour that I might be accused of banging on about. I might be going on about numpties in cars though, given the wider consequence of that. heebeegeetee said:
People are people, and they remain the same no matter what they're doing.
You are saying that people can not change, cannot adapt to differing environments (e.g. riding a bike vs driving a car).Retroman said:
No comments on this yet, as it's fairly recent but wouldn't be surprised if anyone ignores the pedestrians stepping out into oncoming traffic 10ft away from a crossing and criticises the filtering cyclist instead.
Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
And another.....even though she stepped out into the path of oncoming traffic, without looking properly and without using a crossing a few seconds from her, she doesn't think it's her fault, which is why it's such a common theme.
https://youtu.be/sSMf-dSGfPc?t=4m27s
HC rules 144/145/146 refer.Just as well the cyclist was going slow and not on an illegal bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kBnNEtfeU
And another.....even though she stepped out into the path of oncoming traffic, without looking properly and without using a crossing a few seconds from her, she doesn't think it's her fault, which is why it's such a common theme.
https://youtu.be/sSMf-dSGfPc?t=4m27s
Edited by Retroman on Saturday 30th September 21:19
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