Displaying 'Radiactive' hazmat stickers on a car
Discussion
Hi all, Am looking for some advice.
Is it legal for a car to display 'Radioactive' warning signs (like this http://www.uksafetysigns.co.uk/low_cost_prices/da2... ) on a vehicle that isn't actually carrying such material?
For context, it's an old car that is being prepared for a 'banger rally' across Europe for charity... it's got loads of silly sign writing on it, so it's fairly obvious that it's not really carrying hazmat.
Is it legal for a car to display 'Radioactive' warning signs (like this http://www.uksafetysigns.co.uk/low_cost_prices/da2... ) on a vehicle that isn't actually carrying such material?
For context, it's an old car that is being prepared for a 'banger rally' across Europe for charity... it's got loads of silly sign writing on it, so it's fairly obvious that it's not really carrying hazmat.
I'm asking more for the 'letter of the law' rather than peoples opinions as to whether it's sensible/etc.
I'm satisfied with my judgment, that to any sane and reasonable person, the stickers will be taken in the context of 'decoration' on a charity banger rally. Nobody in their right mind will think for a minute that they are serious.
But of course the law is binary - hence the question about the legal aspect.
I'm satisfied with my judgment, that to any sane and reasonable person, the stickers will be taken in the context of 'decoration' on a charity banger rally. Nobody in their right mind will think for a minute that they are serious.
But of course the law is binary - hence the question about the legal aspect.
f1dget said:
You may get some hassle trying to get on a ferry or passing through any tunnels on the continent due to imdg and adr regulations.
I know it's a charity event but not everyone will appreciate that.
This. Not all countries have the same sense of humour as the UK.I know it's a charity event but not everyone will appreciate that.
Be prepared to take them off or be refused access to a tunnel, etc.
Interesting question, though perhaps a little silly!
This is approaching the issue from the opposite direction (do you need warnings?): http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/manual/commonproblems/va...
But note their advice "Carriers should have arrangements to remove or cover the hazard diamonds when dangerous substances are not being carried on the vehicle."
I can see that, for instance, P&O ferries want any irrlevant warnings must be removed/covered, but this seems to be their policy, rather than mandated by law?
This is approaching the issue from the opposite direction (do you need warnings?): http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/manual/commonproblems/va...
But note their advice "Carriers should have arrangements to remove or cover the hazard diamonds when dangerous substances are not being carried on the vehicle."
I can see that, for instance, P&O ferries want any irrlevant warnings must be removed/covered, but this seems to be their policy, rather than mandated by law?
38911 said:
We were planning to cover them for Eurotunnel as I suspect their T&Cs state that radioactive materials are prohibited. Easily done and easy to uncover after - a bit of paper and some masking tape - job done.
But.... still - does anyone know what the actual law is?
When no hazardous materials are being carried, markings should be removed from the vehicle. But.... still - does anyone know what the actual law is?
It's not just the chunnel that will have issues with radioactive material passing through, due to adr tunnel codes you'd have trouble going through the Dartford tunnels or any other large tunnels on the continent. If you are spotted covering up the class diamonds you may be stopped for a chat as the tunnel controller may think you are trying to sneak stuff through.
Also bare in mind that if you were involved in an accident and you are unable to communicate with the emergency services you may spark a large incident as they will assume the worst and treat it as a nuclear accident.
InitialDave said:
Interesting question, though perhaps a little silly!
This is approaching the issue from the opposite direction (do you need warnings?): http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/manual/commonproblems/va...
But note their advice "Carriers should have arrangements to remove or cover the hazard diamonds when dangerous substances are not being carried on the vehicle."
I can see that, for instance, P&O ferries want any irrlevant warnings must be removed/covered, but this seems to be their policy, rather than mandated by law?
Private companies can set there own policies - they can deny to serve you if you breach their terms.This is approaching the issue from the opposite direction (do you need warnings?): http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/manual/commonproblems/va...
But note their advice "Carriers should have arrangements to remove or cover the hazard diamonds when dangerous substances are not being carried on the vehicle."
I can see that, for instance, P&O ferries want any irrlevant warnings must be removed/covered, but this seems to be their policy, rather than mandated by law?
In Europe - who knows? The French, German and Swiss authorities tend to be increasingly strict.
Maybe have magnetic symbols applied to the boot or bonnet and remove as needed?
38911 said:
Cheers all for the replies. No issues in 'covering up' when needed - and the magnetic suggestion is a good one.
Magnetic one's can fly off at less than motorway speeds, foldable diamonds may be the way too go.https://shop.hazchemsafety.com/shop/product.aspx?t...
I hope this will also answer some of your questions.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/manual/commonproblems/va...
38911 said:
We were planning to cover them for Eurotunnel as I suspect their T&Cs state that radioactive materials are prohibited. Easily done and easy to uncover after - a bit of paper and some masking tape - job done.
But.... still - does anyone know what the actual law is?
Eurotunnel absolutely fine with radioactive materials, as long as declared - daily traffic, but you might have to go 'freight', but since all of that is the opposite of what you want - cover or remove is the obvious solution as others have said.But.... still - does anyone know what the actual law is?
48k said:
38911 said:
But.... still - does anyone know what the actual law is?
There won't be one actual law if you are travelling across Europe...If compliant with ADR on International journey you aren't beholden to each individual countries legislation that you travel through, ADR adequately covers it.
In respect of markings when not carrying
HSE Operational Strategy and Enforcement said:
18 Displaying placards when not carrying dangerous goods could mislead the emergency services. This can often be dealt with by removing the placards; it is not usually necessary to issue a PN. However, enforcement officers should take a more serious view where the offence involves the unnecessary display of hazard warning panels etc. on empty and cleaned road tankers, tank containers or vehicles designed to carry dangerous goods in bulk. Formal enforcement action should be considered in these circumstances, particularly if there is evidence that the carrier and/or a particular driver have been previously warned for the same offence.
They also take a dimmer view of inappropriately showing displaying Class 1 (Explosives) or Class 7 (Radioactive) markings.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff