Crash - Insurance Unaware Of Engine Swap - Consequences
Discussion
Mark-C said:
PorkInsider said:
essayer said:
Nobody's even mentioned relocating the battery in the boot to maintain 50/50 weight distribution!
And folding the rear seats down to lower the CofG...C70R said:
Your deliberate obtuseness is not helping the conversation. To clarify something, can I please have your opinion on two scenarios, and you can tell me which is more dangerous (from the perspective of braking efficiency/power):
Scenario 1: E46 318i with four occupants (4x 75kg) and 30kg of luggage. Total weight: 1690kg (1360kg + 330kg)
Scenario 2: E46 318i with E46 330i engine: Total weight: 1505kg (stated weight of 330i)
If 318i brakes are specified to deal with Scenario 1 within their tolerances, they are fine to deal with Scenario 2.
Can I have your opinion on the following, rather more realistic scenarios:Scenario 1: E46 318i with four occupants (4x 75kg) and 30kg of luggage. Total weight: 1690kg (1360kg + 330kg)
Scenario 2: E46 318i with E46 330i engine: Total weight: 1505kg (stated weight of 330i)
If 318i brakes are specified to deal with Scenario 1 within their tolerances, they are fine to deal with Scenario 2.
Scenario 1: E46 318i driven hard, max acceleration followed by hard braking into bends
Scenario 1: E46 330i but with 318i brakes, driven hard, max acceleration followed by hard braking into bends
Do you think both cars will continue to perform exactly the same under braking?
Do you think the kind of person that fits an engine with ~double the power will never use that power?
Do you think manufacturers are wasting their money by fitting larger brakes on higher performance models?
Aside from the already discussed issue that the insurance is invalidated and the police are likely to charge him with no insurance, I should also point out that there is a very real chance that he will be reported to VOSA who may also take action over the failure to advise them of this rather significant piece of modification.
Your friend's situation may just be about to get a whole lot worse. The only consolation is that having already been f
ked by both his insurance company, any third party lawyers and the Police, his backside will probably hardly notice a further rogering from the people at VOSA.
Your friend's situation may just be about to get a whole lot worse. The only consolation is that having already been f
ked by both his insurance company, any third party lawyers and the Police, his backside will probably hardly notice a further rogering from the people at VOSA.corozin said:
Aside from the already discussed issue that the insurance is invalidated and the police are likely to charge him with no insurance, I should also point out that there is a very real chance that he will be reported to VOSA who may also take action over the failure to advise them of this rather significant piece of modification.
Your friend's situation may just be about to get a whole lot worse. The only consolation is that having already been fked by both his insurance company, any third party lawyers and the Police, his backside will probably hardly notice a further rogering from the people at VOSA.
What would VOSA(it is the DVSA now) really care about an engine swap besides tax issue. The model of car has the engine so not really a 'significant piece of modification'.?Your friend's situation may just be about to get a whole lot worse. The only consolation is that having already been f
ked by both his insurance company, any third party lawyers and the Police, his backside will probably hardly notice a further rogering from the people at VOSA.TVRnutcase said:
Sea Demon said:
The biggest thread I've ever started 
In response to the many brakes post, the larger brakes from the donor 330 were fitted & he had good tyres fitted.
You could have said that at the very start - and it would have saved a couple of pages of inane discussion on physics, weights and sizes of brakes.....In response to the many brakes post, the larger brakes from the donor 330 were fitted & he had good tyres fitted.
As said a different but similar looking engine may get missed but you'd think they'd spot the 6 cylinder...
Lazadude said:
Going by my previous experience, when I was in an induced coma and in hospital post accident, the insurance company wouldn't even talk to my wife.
They insisted to talk to me no matter what they were told.
If hes hurt himself enough to be kept in an induced coma, then its not just the third party cover that's going to hurt him, his lack of cover for injury etc.
Admiral always used to speak to named drivers on their policy, I assume they still doThey insisted to talk to me no matter what they were told.
If hes hurt himself enough to be kept in an induced coma, then its not just the third party cover that's going to hurt him, his lack of cover for injury etc.
What the fk is up with the brake fetishists?
Cheap st tyres vs proper tyres. Pressures wrong by 7psi. Cack pads vs good ones. Fluid replaced recently vs 5 years ago. Correct geo vs all over the shop. Where does it end? Oh yeah - with a circular wk where 3-4 people try to win an internet fight based on nothing but speculation and deliberately obtuse arguments.
Got to love sp+l.
k is up with the brake fetishists?Cheap s
t tyres vs proper tyres. Pressures wrong by 7psi. Cack pads vs good ones. Fluid replaced recently vs 5 years ago. Correct geo vs all over the shop. Where does it end? Oh yeah - with a circular wk where 3-4 people try to win an internet fight based on nothing but speculation and deliberately obtuse arguments. Got to love sp+l.
corozin said:
Aside from the already discussed issue that the insurance is invalidated and the police are likely to charge him with no insurance, I should also point out that there is a very real chance that he will be reported to VOSA who may also take action over the failure to advise them of this rather significant piece of modification.
Your friend's situation may just be about to get a whole lot worse. The only consolation is that having already been fked by both his insurance company, any third party lawyers and the Police, his backside will probably hardly notice a further rogering from the people at VOSA.
Why do you need to advise VOSA What's that all about?Your friend's situation may just be about to get a whole lot worse. The only consolation is that having already been f
ked by both his insurance company, any third party lawyers and the Police, his backside will probably hardly notice a further rogering from the people at VOSA.SantaBarbara said:
corozin said:
Aside from the already discussed issue that the insurance is invalidated and the police are likely to charge him with no insurance, I should also point out that there is a very real chance that he will be reported to VOSA who may also take action over the failure to advise them of this rather significant piece of modification.
Your friend's situation may just be about to get a whole lot worse. The only consolation is that having already been fked by both his insurance company, any third party lawyers and the Police, his backside will probably hardly notice a further rogering from the people at VOSA.
Why do you need to advise VOSA What's that all about?Your friend's situation may just be about to get a whole lot worse. The only consolation is that having already been f
ked by both his insurance company, any third party lawyers and the Police, his backside will probably hardly notice a further rogering from the people at VOSA.But you'd certainly need to notify DVLA of the engine change.
https://www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-details-registra...
...but of course, if that had been done, the bigger engine would have shown up to the insurance company.
SantaBarbara said:
corozin said:
Aside from the already discussed issue that the insurance is invalidated and the police are likely to charge him with no insurance, I should also point out that there is a very real chance that he will be reported to VOSA who may also take action over the failure to advise them of this rather significant piece of modification.
Your friend's situation may just be about to get a whole lot worse. The only consolation is that having already been fked by both his insurance company, any third party lawyers and the Police, his backside will probably hardly notice a further rogering from the people at VOSA.
Why do you need to advise VOSA What's that all about?Your friend's situation may just be about to get a whole lot worse. The only consolation is that having already been f
ked by both his insurance company, any third party lawyers and the Police, his backside will probably hardly notice a further rogering from the people at VOSA.He's unlikely to be aware if anyone is rodgering him up the arse or probably care either.
Sea Demon said:
Friend of mine is in hospital at the moment following a big crash that he was involved in a few days ago, he hadn't told his insurance about his engine conversion & the police took the car away etc - from what I gather, the accident was his fault.
What's the likely outcome going to be for him apart from probably having a limp?
Before anyone says it, yes it really is a friend that had the crash and not me as Im not as stupid as him
Has the incident been reported in the local press?What's the likely outcome going to be for him apart from probably having a limp?
Before anyone says it, yes it really is a friend that had the crash and not me as Im not as stupid as him
Edited by Sea Demon on Thursday 7th September 12:16
Its a surprise to hear your friend was injured in the smash which was probably his fault. He could be done for all manner of driving related matters - the worst being causing death by dangerous driving. Let this be a lesson, if its a write off the insurers will send an inspector. Guess what the inspector will do first, check for any modifications. Yes they do and thats as far as the inspection will go before his insurers declare his policy is void and was when the 3ltr was installed. No insurance is an automatic disqualification. He may find that after the disqualification he is uninsurable. Insurers take a dim view of the stupidity (fun) of sticking a 3ltr engine in a vehicle suited to a 1.8 ltr. Fine he rolled the dice, without a thought for other road users, Dangerous driving also carries a prison term - so your good friend will have time to think about what he did. I don't know of any normal insurer who would cover on the road a 3 ltr modification.
hijimhere said:
Its a surprise to hear your friend was injured in the smash which was probably his fault. He could be done for all manner of driving related matters - the worst being causing death by dangerous driving. Let this be a lesson, if its a write off the insurers will send an inspector. Guess what the inspector will do first, check for any modifications. Yes they do and thats as far as the inspection will go before his insurers declare his policy is void and was when the 3ltr was installed. No insurance is an automatic disqualification. He may find that after the disqualification he is uninsurable. Insurers take a dim view of the stupidity (fun) of sticking a 3ltr engine in a vehicle suited to a 1.8 ltr. Fine he rolled the dice, without a thought for other road users, Dangerous driving also carries a prison term - so your good friend will have time to think about what he did. I don't know of any normal insurer who would cover on the road a 3 ltr modification.
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