tenancy complaint - mess

[Vaud]

Roofless Toothless said:

On the thread about the neighbour who leaves his petrol strimmer running someone said to be careful about disputes with neighbours because they might have to be declared when selling your house and devalue it. It may be worth while pointing this out to the complainant.

I wouldn't in this case though?

"I'm buying this house"
"FYI - there is a dispute"
"What is it?"
"A former tenant stored stuff on the driveway - but I'm not moving on price"
"OK - he isn't living there anymore"

Some busybodies don't like the idea of "their" road having tenants as they are snobs and it implies they aren't living in an exclusive development.

[superlightr]

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

the neighbour has resent the resized pic asking if I got the first yesterday.

I will just say Yes.


Tempted to put a Gnome next to the rubble to see what the neighbour then photos.

Or you could tell the tenant to have some respect for the place and to keep it tidy, if he wants to store things then he has a garage or store them round the back where they will be out of view.

sent to neighbour;

Dear Mr Y

Thank you for the re-sized picture. Is there another picture for today so we can see if anything has changed?

A van was mentioned ? Could you let us know if it stays there overnight? How many trips it makes each day/week, colour, description, reg number or other identifiable marks or signwriting?

Regards

X

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 12:48

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 12:49

[PAULJ5555]

superlightr said:

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

the neighbour has resent the resized pic asking if I got the first yesterday.

I will just say Yes.


Tempted to put a Gnome next to the rubble to see what the neighbour then photos.

Or you could tell the tenant to have some respect for the place and to keep it tidy, if he wants to store things then he has a garage or store them round the back where they will be out of view.

will ask him to record how many vans visit, type, colour, duration, reg number etc.

Or you could stop being a twit and help the guy, yes its only minor mess but your not the one having to look at it. The tenant is in the wrong and you know it but instead you want to wind him up.

No wonder everyone hates estate/letting agents.

[superlightr]

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

the neighbour has resent the resized pic asking if I got the first yesterday.

I will just say Yes.


Tempted to put a Gnome next to the rubble to see what the neighbour then photos.

Or you could tell the tenant to have some respect for the place and to keep it tidy, if he wants to store things then he has a garage or store them round the back where they will be out of view.

will ask him to record how many vans visit, type, colour, duration, reg number etc.

Or you could stop being a twit and help the guy, yes its only minor mess but your not the one having to look at it. The tenant is in the wrong and you know it but instead you want to wind him up.

No wonder everyone hates estate/letting agents.

please enlighten me - how is the tenant in the wrong?

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 13:06

[SantaBarbara]

PAULJ5555 said:

Or you could stop being a twit and help the guy, yes its only minor mess but your not the one having to look at it. The tenant is in the wrong and you know it but instead you want to wind him up.

No wonder everyone hates estate/letting agents.

no way is the tenant in the wrong

[hman]

If there's no breach of the tenancy arrangement then I'd pass all correspondence on to the tenant and let them deal with it..

The neighbour is under the impression that you are able to do something about this - which you arent..

[PAULJ5555]

superlightr said:

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

the neighbour has resent the resized pic asking if I got the first yesterday.

I will just say Yes.


Tempted to put a Gnome next to the rubble to see what the neighbour then photos.

Or you could tell the tenant to have some respect for the place and to keep it tidy, if he wants to store things then he has a garage or store them round the back where they will be out of view.

will ask him to record how many vans visit, type, colour, duration, reg number etc.

Or you could stop being a twit and help the guy, yes its only minor mess but your not the one having to look at it. The tenant is in the wrong and you know it but instead you want to wind him up.

No wonder everyone hates estate/letting agents.

please enlighten me - how is the tenant in the wrong?

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 13:06

I am assuming that in their tenancy agreement that they have to keep the place neat and tidy and also not to annoy/disturb the neighbours, so you could ask them to tidy it away and the problem is solved.

Why is the person complaining in the wrong?

Edited by PAULJ5555 on Tuesday 19th September 13:22

[JQ]

PAULJ5555 said:

I am assuming that in their tenancy agreement that they have to keep the place neat and tidy and also not to annoy/disturb the neighbours.

Why is the person complaining in the wrong?

Do you genuinely believe that what is contained in that photo would put them in breach of an Assured Shorthold Tenancy agreement? Really?

Are you the neighbour?

[superlightr]

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

the neighbour has resent the resized pic asking if I got the first yesterday.

I will just say Yes.


Tempted to put a Gnome next to the rubble to see what the neighbour then photos.

Or you could tell the tenant to have some respect for the place and to keep it tidy, if he wants to store things then he has a garage or store them round the back where they will be out of view.

will ask him to record how many vans visit, type, colour, duration, reg number etc.

Or you could stop being a twit and help the guy, yes its only minor mess but your not the one having to look at it. The tenant is in the wrong and you know it but instead you want to wind him up.

No wonder everyone hates estate/letting agents.

please enlighten me - how is the tenant in the wrong?

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 13:06

I am assuming that in their tenancy agreement that they have to keep the place neat and tidy and also not to annoy/disturb the neighbours, so you could ask them to tidy it away and the problem is solved.

Why is the person complaining in the wrong?

Edited by PAULJ5555 on Tuesday 19th September 13:22

and if the tenant said he does not agree. Then what?

effectively you are asking us to remove a person from their home.
Evict them for a breach of the tenancy agreement s8 notice - Someone would have to stand up in court to tell a judge that the breach of the tenancy is so bad that the only course of action is to evict them.
The judge would ask for proof/evidence of this serious breach.

What evidence do you think the court would ask for?
Do you really think from the photo and description from the neighbour that this justifies court action and would actually be taken seriously in court?

Think about it for a bit. put yourself in the tenants shoes.

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 13:34

[SantaBarbara]

IT just appear s to be a spillage of saw dust

[PAULJ5555]

JQ said:

PAULJ5555 said:

I am assuming that in their tenancy agreement that they have to keep the place neat and tidy and also not to annoy/disturb the neighbours.

Why is the person complaining in the wrong?

Do you genuinely believe that what is contained in that photo would put them in breach of an Assured Shorthold Tenancy agreement? Really?

Are you the neighbour?

No its not grounds to evict them but its something that the OP has to back up why he is asking for it to be tidied away. By doing this the neighbour is happy and the hassle for the OP hopefully stops.
I just find it strange why the OP is intent on winding up the neighbour when he can be helpful and resolve the complaint.

[superlightr]

PAULJ5555 said:

JQ said:

PAULJ5555 said:

I am assuming that in their tenancy agreement that they have to keep the place neat and tidy and also not to annoy/disturb the neighbours.

Why is the person complaining in the wrong?

Do you genuinely believe that what is contained in that photo would put them in breach of an Assured Shorthold Tenancy agreement? Really?

Are you the neighbour?

No its not grounds to evict them but its something that the OP has to back up why he is asking for it to be tidied away. By doing this the neighbour is happy and the hassle for the OP hopefully stops.
I just find it strange why the OP is intent on winding up the neighbour when he can be helpful and resolve the complaint.

because the complaint is a load of bks

why should the tenant do anything, its not a mess and none of the neighbours business.

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 13:37

[SantaBarbara]

IT is a spurious complaint

[surveyor_101]

PAULJ5555 said:

I am assuming that in their tenancy agreement that they have to keep the place neat and tidy and also not to annoy/disturb the neighbours, so you could ask them to tidy it away and the problem is solved.

Why is the person complaining in the wrong?

Edited by PAULJ5555 on Tuesday 19th September 13:22

I was thinking that.

Keeping the property tidy is not unreasonable.

As for the commercial vehicle some AST's have a commercial vehicle clause so unless the tenant was clear they would have a commercial vehicle that may be a route. However parked on the drive doesn't seem unreasonable to me, some people make a living and need a commercial vehicle like sky or bt engineers why can't they rent homes.

[Stedman]

Van on own driveway. Van ANY DAY of the week. Have they approached the tenant? I doubt it.

FROYMC

[superlightr]

surveyor_101 said:

PAULJ5555 said:

I am assuming that in their tenancy agreement that they have to keep the place neat and tidy and also not to annoy/disturb the neighbours, so you could ask them to tidy it away and the problem is solved.

Why is the person complaining in the wrong?

Edited by PAULJ5555 on Tuesday 19th September 13:22

I was thinking that.

Keeping the property tidy is not unreasonable.

As for the commercial vehicle some AST's have a commercial vehicle clause so unless the tenant was clear they would have a commercial vehicle that may be a route. However parked on the drive doesn't seem unreasonable to me, some people make a living and need a commercial vehicle like sky or bt engineers why can't they rent homes.

Yes.

yes some tenants do have to make a living to pay the rent and may have a van.

The issue is:
Define commercial vehicle and then if that is a fair clause and then could be backed up in court to evict a tenant under a s8 notice. unlikely unless its a big fek off lorry/jcb or tractor.

The issue also: tidy. I would suggest it would have to be a lot more of a mess than what is shown to again secure a judge to allow a s8 notice in court to remove a tenant from a property. If it was a mess imho then yes we would try and help. buts its not in my view.

[PAULJ5555]

superlightr said:

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

PAULJ5555 said:

superlightr said:

the neighbour has resent the resized pic asking if I got the first yesterday.

I will just say Yes.


Tempted to put a Gnome next to the rubble to see what the neighbour then photos.

Or you could tell the tenant to have some respect for the place and to keep it tidy, if he wants to store things then he has a garage or store them round the back where they will be out of view.

will ask him to record how many vans visit, type, colour, duration, reg number etc.

Or you could stop being a twit and help the guy, yes its only minor mess but your not the one having to look at it. The tenant is in the wrong and you know it but instead you want to wind him up.

No wonder everyone hates estate/letting agents.

please enlighten me - how is the tenant in the wrong?

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 13:06

I am assuming that in their tenancy agreement that they have to keep the place neat and tidy and also not to annoy/disturb the neighbours, so you could ask them to tidy it away and the problem is solved.

Why is the person complaining in the wrong?

Edited by PAULJ5555 on Tuesday 19th September 13:22

and if the tenant said he does not agree. Then what?

effectively you are asking us to remove a person from their home.
Evict them for a breach of the tenancy agreement s8 notice - Someone would have to stand up in court to tell a judge that the breach of the tenancy is so bad that the only course of action is to evict them.
The judge would ask for proof/evidence of this serious breach.

What evidence do you think the court would ask for?
Do you really think from the photo and description from the neighbour that this justifies court action and would actually be taken seriously in court?

Think about it for a bit. put yourself in the tenants shoes.

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 13:34

Have you even asked the tenant to tidy it, they may say yes no problem I didn't realise it was an eyesore to others.

Why evict them when the landlord has the right to end the tenancy in the normal way (not that they would over this), the tenant would know that there is a risk of the LL ending their tenancy in time and maybe playball.

[superlightr]

PAULJ5555 said:

Have you even asked the tenant to tidy it, they may say yes no problem I didn't realise it was an eyesore to others.

Why evict them when the landlord has the right to end the tenancy in the normal way (not that they would over this), the tenant would know that there is a risk of the LL ending their tenancy in time and maybe playball.

because the neighbour wont approach the tenant direct. I don't think its an issue, if the neighbour does then he can knock himself out with contacting the tenant - but he wont. he wants to whinge to us.

The landlord does not want to give them notice.

The tenant will say I'm sure that he does not agree its a mess and the neighbour should mind his own business.

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 13:48

[TooMany2cvs]

superlightr said:

The issue is:
Define commercial vehicle and then if that is a fair clause and then could be backed up in court to evict a tenant under a s8 notice. unlikely unless its a big fek off lorry/jcb or tractor.

Hmm. There would be O licence issues there long before tenancy ones... I don't think anybody could realistically disagree a Transit-style panel van is a "commercial vehicle", especially if signwritten.

If there's a covenant on the property being breached, then that's a different issue to if there isn't. But that's not down to a letting agent or landlord to enforce, although it might be wise to not only be aware of any covenant, but make any future potential tenants aware of it before moving in.

superlightr said:

The issue also: tidy. I would suggest it would have to be a lot more of a mess than what is shown to again secure a judge to allow a s8 notice in court to remove a tenant from a property. If it was a mess imho then yes we would try and help. buts its not in my view.

<nods>
Problem for the neighbour is that he's now undermined his own credibility if ever there's a REAL problem with that tenant.

[superlightr]

its a serious issue to raise any dispute with a tenant because its their home, their children's home.

I wont disturb a tenant and cause them stress or worry over a non existent issue from a neighbour who cant be bothered to talk to the tenant direct and sneaks behind their back to us and the owner and sends a few pics of nothing.