tenancy complaint - mess
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Vaud said:
superlightr said:
Vaud said:
How about a routine inspection with notice? Would be easy to see if they are running a business from there or just parking a works van.
Inspection are all very good - spotless clean and tidy inside the house. very house proud. Just a normal household things inside. Garage was empty save for some normal garage things. Last one was about 6 weeks ago.if the neighbour can show proper evidence to back up what he is saying then so be it. But in my view he hasn't so far. I don't think he can.
hence giving the neighbour a chance to gather something better. I'm not going to be formally wasting much work time on it but happy to spend a bit of my time to brighten my day and get the PH perspective and show the pettiness of some neighbours imho..
hope so but always good to get PH views.it does annoy me when neighbours cant be bothered to talk to each other but immediate make an issue to an agent. Its the tenants home and as mentioned earlier I'm not going to cause them stress and issues to them when its really is a non issue. That's not fair.
What would they do if the tenant owned the property is always a good one to suggest.
Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 16:31
This isn't an issue which requires dealing with though, is it? Imagine the scenario that the LL or EA asks the tenant to put the bits elsewhere but the tenant says no because there's nowhere else, or simply says no without a reason. What can the LL or EA do in response to compel the tenant to do anything? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. They can't be told off like children in a class, they can't be evicted, their rent can't be increased, nothing can be deducted from the deposit, and there's no other way of exerting any pressure on the tenant. Bringing stuff home from work, be it paperwork or a few bricks, doesn't mean that the use of the property changes to commercial, the neighbour is completely bonkers on that too. Again, there's nothing that the EA/LL can do.
What do all those who say that the EA or LL should do something propose that the LL or EA does? The tenant must be allowed to have peaceful enjoyment of their home without being bothered by the LL/EA and this kind of spurious complaint in which the LL/EA have absolutely zero power to make any demands would be a breach of that. as would threatening to evict on the basis of anything in those photos. In fact, the neighbour in this instance is the best placed person to speak to the tenant, not the LL/EA. The neighbours sound like thay are a bunch of arrogant NIMBY knob cheeses with their heads so far up their own arses that they make a complete bowel loop.
What do all those who say that the EA or LL should do something propose that the LL or EA does? The tenant must be allowed to have peaceful enjoyment of their home without being bothered by the LL/EA and this kind of spurious complaint in which the LL/EA have absolutely zero power to make any demands would be a breach of that. as would threatening to evict on the basis of anything in those photos. In fact, the neighbour in this instance is the best placed person to speak to the tenant, not the LL/EA. The neighbours sound like thay are a bunch of arrogant NIMBY knob cheeses with their heads so far up their own arses that they make a complete bowel loop.
designforlife said:
I think you're handling this in entirely the right way personally, at the end of the day, your relationship is between you the agent, the house owner, and the tenant...if all three parties are happy, then what's the issue?
Nothing on that driveway is remotely unreasonable in terms of mess...and half the suburban semi detached houses in the UK have a sign written van parked on the drive FFS.
Absolutely this. How on earth do people expect others to actually go and earn their money? I can understand why local bylaws might proscribe storage of three or more commercial vehicles but to stop them from being parked overnight when it's presumably the person's main or only method of getting to and from work is ludicrous. You might as well ban people from having company cars! It's not like we have the space in the UK to be able to keep our vehicles in private car parks near our homes, and in any case the cost to keep a car long term in an NCP or similar is about as much as you'd get from renting out a single bedroom in your house! Nothing on that driveway is remotely unreasonable in terms of mess...and half the suburban semi detached houses in the UK have a sign written van parked on the drive FFS.
designforlife said:
I think you're handling this in entirely the right way personally, at the end of the day, your relationship is between you the agent, the house owner, and the tenant...if all three parties are happy, then what's the issue?
Nothing on that driveway is remotely unreasonable in terms of mess...and half the suburban semi detached houses in the UK have a sign written van parked on the drive FFS.
Some people in this thread need to seriously get over themselves, or at the very least get an eye test if they think the curtain twitching neighbour is in any way justified.
Amen to that.Nothing on that driveway is remotely unreasonable in terms of mess...and half the suburban semi detached houses in the UK have a sign written van parked on the drive FFS.
Some people in this thread need to seriously get over themselves, or at the very least get an eye test if they think the curtain twitching neighbour is in any way justified.
vsonix said:
designforlife said:
...and half the suburban semi detached houses in the UK have a sign written van parked on the drive FFS.
Absolutely this. How on earth do people expect others to actually go and earn their money? I can understand why local bylaws might proscribe storage of three or more commercial vehicles but to stop them from being parked overnight when it's presumably the person's main or only method of getting to and from work is ludicrous.I rather suspect that, like the "must not put any satellite dish/other erection on front of property"-type or "must not change look of front of property"-type clauses, they're there to make potential buyers of other new-builds elsewhere on the estate think it's all nice and pretty and homogenous and well-built and lovely. The theory probably goes that if a potential new-build buyer drives round a completed phase and sees a variety of vans hither and thither, they'll think there's a lot of warranty or similar work going on the houses already sold, and run away. Once the developer's finished, they CBA to enforce the covenant.
vsonix said:
Absolutely this. How on earth do people expect others to actually go and earn their money? I can understand why local bylaws might proscribe storage of three or more commercial vehicles but to stop them from being parked overnight when it's presumably the person's main or only method of getting to and from work is ludicrous. You might as well ban people from having company cars! It's not like we have the space in the UK to be able to keep our vehicles in private car parks near our homes, and in any case the cost to keep a car long term in an NCP or similar is about as much as you'd get from renting out a single bedroom in your house!
To be honest, I can't even understand such covenants in new housing developments banning signwritten vans - they're not even local bylaws, just covenants by the developers to keep up a certain appearance so that they can call it "an exclusive community" or some such b
ks and add a huge premium to the price of the property. Such restrictive covenants really should be declared unenforceable or even unlawful as they're clearly discriminatory against many tradespeople. I wonder if any developer has ever had anything like this enforced successfully by the courts on an owner. People who think that vans bring down the tone of the area should look at themselves in the mirror really hard. Do they seriously think they're somehow above or better than people who have a van for their work?
TooMany2cvs said:
vsonix said:
designforlife said:
...and half the suburban semi detached houses in the UK have a sign written van parked on the drive FFS.
Absolutely this. How on earth do people expect others to actually go and earn their money? I can understand why local bylaws might proscribe storage of three or more commercial vehicles but to stop them from being parked overnight when it's presumably the person's main or only method of getting to and from work is ludicrous.I rather suspect that, like the "must not put any satellite dish/other erection on front of property"-type or "must not change look of front of property"-type clauses, they're there to make potential buyers of other new-builds elsewhere on the estate think it's all nice and pretty and homogenous and well-built and lovely. The theory probably goes that if a potential new-build buyer drives round a completed phase and sees a variety of vans hither and thither, they'll think there's a lot of warranty or similar work going on the houses already sold, and run away. Once the developer's finished, they CBA to enforce the covenant.
from my understanding of such covenants they can be mutually enforceable by the beneficiary's of said covenants ie the current owners of the property BUT as you said and other have said most established estates have vans for tradesmen and most people understand this is part of normal life now.
The estate is 30 odd years old and certainly the original developer isn't around. Such clause could be argued as Unfair and unenforceable anyway. Hence if it was a JCB or big lorry yes arguable but perhaps not for a normal van I would suggest. if the neighbour wants to throw money at that argument then he can. saw on google maps that there is another van next to the person who has made the complaint - my next step is to ask if he has complained about that neighbour as well and the response he got.
Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 17:17
TooMany2cvs said:
QuickQuack said:
Do they seriously think they're somehow above or better than people who have a van for their work?
Yes, of course they do. Do you need to ask that?eldar said:
Were I a tenant, I'd be glad that I didn't have the landlord regularly knocking on my door over trivia.
This, when I rented briefly I had the local busybody make 2 complaints in the first 3 weeks of my occupation:That my girlfriend and I came and went too regularly and that we occasionally came back after 11pm (Friday/Saturday)
That I didn't bother to add the garage door defender in addition to the just the padlock on the garage (all that was inside was a locked car)
The agents passed it to me and I just said "and what"
Covenants aren't an issue and there's no complaint there that a landlord or his agent should be involved in, and I agree that this is a complete non issue and the complainant is a complete arse.
But, if that is commercial waste it isn't allowed to be there, so there may be a legitimate complaint even if it's one no reasonable person would make.
If I were the landlord I'd want to know if a complaint was made to the council, but beyond that it's entirely for the tenant to deal with.
But, if that is commercial waste it isn't allowed to be there, so there may be a legitimate complaint even if it's one no reasonable person would make.
If I were the landlord I'd want to know if a complaint was made to the council, but beyond that it's entirely for the tenant to deal with.
Wings said:
The OP’s posts highlights the need for all private LLs to both vet their own potential tenant/s..
??? sorry wings I don't understand your post?how did you read into this topic that the tenants were not fully referenced? or in anyway at fault in this?
they were referenced and are good tenants.
Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 19:37
Wings said:
The OP’s posts highlights the need for all private LLs to both vet their own potential tenant/s..
Eh? The tenant hasn't done anything wrong and the agent is doing a superb job in keeping this crap away from the LL while giving everyone a laugh. I don't understand what the issue is or what extra vetting would be useful for.eldar said:
Alucidnation said:
Wow, I'm glad you don't manage my properties.
No matter how small, I want to know of any issues that need dealing with.
Were I a tenant, I'd be glad that I didn't have the landlord regularly knocking on my door over trivia.No matter how small, I want to know of any issues that need dealing with.
A politely worded letter is sufficient.
And if the tenant gave any attitude, their tenancy would not be extended.
Sign the moaning wka up to every commercial vehicle, fleet managers bullst freebie magazine that exists, you know the sort of thing every occupation has them I think.
Then pop round and speak to him, obviously having a working man live next door is such an issue, thank him as you have some problem families on your books, never worked, never going to work, you now have the perfect property for them
ka up to every commercial vehicle, fleet managers bullst freebie magazine that exists, you know the sort of thing every occupation has them I think.Then pop round and speak to him, obviously having a working man live next door is such an issue, thank him as you have some problem families on your books, never worked, never going to work, you now have the perfect property for them
superlightr said:
??? sorry wings I don't understand your post?
how did you read into this topic that the tenants were not fully referenced? or in anyway at fault in this?
they were referenced and are good tenants.
Your tenant does not appear to be of a trade, that i would consider renting a property to, and i suspect other landlords would be of the same opinion.how did you read into this topic that the tenants were not fully referenced? or in anyway at fault in this?
they were referenced and are good tenants.
Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 19:37
Wings said:
superlightr said:
??? sorry wings I don't understand your post?
how did you read into this topic that the tenants were not fully referenced? or in anyway at fault in this?
they were referenced and are good tenants.
Your tenant does not appear to be of a trade, that i would consider renting a property to, and i suspect other landlords would be of the same opinion.how did you read into this topic that the tenants were not fully referenced? or in anyway at fault in this?
they were referenced and are good tenants.
Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th September 19:37
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