When is a bus lane restricted if there is no signage

[anonymous-user]

As title. It's taken me ages to notice it, but the bus lane southbound on Waterloo Bridge in London has no signage - either stating it is a bus lane or stating its hours of operation. It's not a continuation of the bus lane on the Strand either, because as you turn left onto the bridge there is a single lane open to all traffic. The bus lane starts again just past the entrance to the northbound underpass.

Is it just paint on the road that can be ignored?

[SantaBarbara]

Is there a blue circular sign anywhere visible?

[anonymous-user]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5093479,-0.11747...

Nope. Nothing.

[BristolRich]

No sign means 24hrs

[JM]

BristolRich said:

No sign means 24hrs

Does there need to be a sign saying it is a bus lane, or is some faded paint on the tarmac enough?

[Red Devil]

BristolRich said:

No sign means 24hrs

Really? Can you quote the Regulations which state there is such a default setting?

I think you will find that both road markings and signs are required.
See Chapter 3 of the Traffic Signs Manual.
Also - http://pcnwp.blend-dns.co.uk/bus-lanes/signs-and-l...

Many Tribunal appeals against incorrect markings and missing/obscured/non-compliant signage have been upheld by adjudicators.
e.g. Everitt v TfL Case reference 2120305842. I have bolded the relevant part of the decision.

Adjudicator Michael Nathan said:

Enforcement of a penalty charge for a contravention of this type may not be pursued if the bus lane concerned is not marked and signed in accordance with the legal requirements.

Many authorities are notorious for getting it wrong and failing to correct their errors because adjudicators have no power to compel them to do so.
All they can do is throw out unenforceable PCNs.

[Mandat]

Red Devil said:

Many authorities are notorious for getting it wrong and failing to correct their errors because adjudicators have no power to compel them to do so.
All they can do is throw out unenforceable PCNs.

IANAL and this might be a stupid question.

If the LA's are aware that the bus lane is not signed properly and that PCN's are not lawful but they continue to issue PCN's and collect the fine money, could this not be construed as fraud, due to obtaining money by deception, or similar?

[14-7]

Definitely needs signs to be enforceable.