Son stopped 44 in a 30, already has 3 points, licence 2 yrs
Discussion
PorkInsider said:
stropley said:
He was offered the speed awareness course the first time but didn't take it due to time constraints. Also I think I might have put him off when I described the one I went on 
You're joking?Surely?
TooMany2cvs said:
stropley said:
He was offered the speed awareness course the first time but didn't take it due to time constraints. Also I think I might have put him off when I described the one I went on
stropley said:
TooMany2cvs said:
stropley said:
He was offered the speed awareness course the first time but didn't take it due to time constraints. Also I think I might have put him off when I described the one I went on
stropley said:
Monkeylegend said:
Do they offer a speed awareness course for a less than 2 year licence holder or is it a 3 pointer?
Thanks for the answers so far . . . even though it's not looking good. I don't think he will lose his job cos they like him and others can do deliveries. I'm hoping driving a fork lift on the work premises wouldn't be affected?His first offence was Gatso and was 34 in a 30 I think. He was offered the speed awareness course the first time but didn't take it due to time constraints. Also I think I might have put him off when I described the one I went on
I know of a similar issue with a young driver except there were several issues with the process in which she was stopped which she contested. She rejected the points and was phoned up by the central ticket office who tried to persuade her to take the points and she wouldn't lose her licence as she could have 6 points but not more in the first two years. She was advised to phone them back and get that in writing, after speaking to several people they agreed the advice was wrong.
She continued to contest the offence listing the procedural errors, expecting a court summons. She got no response which left her on tenterhooks for months until the date by which the offence could be acted upon expired which probably was intended.
I think the only option is to not take the points - it risks a bigger fine but firstly it gives the opportunity it may not be followed up depending on how your son was stopped, taking the points and fine involves a lot less resource and secondly the opportunity to plead for a ban to keep his job which will depend upon the magistrates on the day.
She continued to contest the offence listing the procedural errors, expecting a court summons. She got no response which left her on tenterhooks for months until the date by which the offence could be acted upon expired which probably was intended.
I think the only option is to not take the points - it risks a bigger fine but firstly it gives the opportunity it may not be followed up depending on how your son was stopped, taking the points and fine involves a lot less resource and secondly the opportunity to plead for a ban to keep his job which will depend upon the magistrates on the day.
/high horse on
Stop giving him advice. From the evidence provided (by no means exhaustive) you aren't very good at it and are advising through your own bias (we all do it to a greater or lesser extent).
Teach him a better life lesson which is to seek advice himself.
Have him sign up here.
/high horse dismount
Stop giving him advice. From the evidence provided (by no means exhaustive) you aren't very good at it and are advising through your own bias (we all do it to a greater or lesser extent).
Teach him a better life lesson which is to seek advice himself.
Have him sign up here.
/high horse dismount
TwigtheWonderkid said:
stropley said:
His first offence was Gatso and was 34 in a 30 I think. He was offered the speed awareness course the first time but didn't take it
Look on the bright side OP, if the driving test included an IQ assessment, he'd never would have got a licence in the first place.
Vaud said:
/high horse on
Stop giving him advice. From the evidence provided (by no means exhaustive) you aren't very good at it and are advising through your own bias (we all do it to a greater or lesser extent).
Teach him a better life lesson which is to seek advice himself.
Have him sign up here.
/high horse dismount
Probably painful reading for the OP but the best advice I've seen on here so far. Kid clearly needs educating and revocation would probably go some way to help with that.Stop giving him advice. From the evidence provided (by no means exhaustive) you aren't very good at it and are advising through your own bias (we all do it to a greater or lesser extent).
Teach him a better life lesson which is to seek advice himself.
Have him sign up here.
/high horse dismount
TooMany2cvs said:
They do weekends etc no excuse the lad is just one of these young people who have excuses for everything., nothing is even their fault and with a parent coming on here for advice to help them out when they don't want help!
surveyor_101 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
They do weekends etc no excuse the lad is just one of these young people who have excuses for everything., nothing is even their fault and with a parent coming on here for advice to help them out when they don't want help!
He should be kicking himself that he didn't take the SAC now, but in my experience he probably isn't, and blaming everybody else including the OP.
stropley said:
Some advice please from anyone on here who knows the young driver revocation rules.
On August 22nd my lad was stopped doing 44 in a 30.
He already has 3 points for a similar offence in June of this year. He has slowed down now!
The copper on the 2nd offence, mentioned he'd probably have his licence revoked as he hadn't yet held it for 2 years, and 6 points is like 12 to those of us who've held it longer.
My son does deliveries as part of his job and he's worried he could lose his job in the time it takes to re-apply for his provisional and retake both theory and practical tests. He was willing to get a letter from his employer and attend court to plead to keep his licence, but three weeks after the offence he received a Fixed Penalty offer saying it could be dealt with by £100 fine and 3 points and no court. This offer letter only gives the option of attending court if you are challenging the allegation - which he is not.
So does the mere offer of dealing with it by fixed penalty suggest his licence won't be revoked, or have all the checks not been done when they send these out?
Also the DVLA website states that "You must apply for a new provisional licence and retake both parts of your driving test if your licence is cancelled within 2 years of passing them." He passed his driving test on 28/9/15 so as it's only a week until the 2nd anniversary of his test, if we didn't send it back for another week it won't be cancelled within the 2 years?
It will be dealt with the same way as if you or I got caught speeding. A fixed penalty ticket. When he sends his licence of to the DVLA they will write back to say from XX/XX/XX he has his licence revoked due to the new drivers act and goes back down to the provisional licence holder. On August 22nd my lad was stopped doing 44 in a 30.
He already has 3 points for a similar offence in June of this year. He has slowed down now!
The copper on the 2nd offence, mentioned he'd probably have his licence revoked as he hadn't yet held it for 2 years, and 6 points is like 12 to those of us who've held it longer.
My son does deliveries as part of his job and he's worried he could lose his job in the time it takes to re-apply for his provisional and retake both theory and practical tests. He was willing to get a letter from his employer and attend court to plead to keep his licence, but three weeks after the offence he received a Fixed Penalty offer saying it could be dealt with by £100 fine and 3 points and no court. This offer letter only gives the option of attending court if you are challenging the allegation - which he is not.
So does the mere offer of dealing with it by fixed penalty suggest his licence won't be revoked, or have all the checks not been done when they send these out?
Also the DVLA website states that "You must apply for a new provisional licence and retake both parts of your driving test if your licence is cancelled within 2 years of passing them." He passed his driving test on 28/9/15 so as it's only a week until the 2nd anniversary of his test, if we didn't send it back for another week it won't be cancelled within the 2 years?
He won't go to court for it (unless he opts to by pleading not guilty).
He will have to do this theory and practical tests again.
Ki3r said:
stropley said:
Some advice please from anyone on here who knows the young driver revocation rules.
On August 22nd my lad was stopped doing 44 in a 30.
He already has 3 points for a similar offence in June of this year. He has slowed down now!
The copper on the 2nd offence, mentioned he'd probably have his licence revoked as he hadn't yet held it for 2 years, and 6 points is like 12 to those of us who've held it longer.
My son does deliveries as part of his job and he's worried he could lose his job in the time it takes to re-apply for his provisional and retake both theory and practical tests. He was willing to get a letter from his employer and attend court to plead to keep his licence, but three weeks after the offence he received a Fixed Penalty offer saying it could be dealt with by £100 fine and 3 points and no court. This offer letter only gives the option of attending court if you are challenging the allegation - which he is not.
So does the mere offer of dealing with it by fixed penalty suggest his licence won't be revoked, or have all the checks not been done when they send these out?
Also the DVLA website states that "You must apply for a new provisional licence and retake both parts of your driving test if your licence is cancelled within 2 years of passing them." He passed his driving test on 28/9/15 so as it's only a week until the 2nd anniversary of his test, if we didn't send it back for another week it won't be cancelled within the 2 years?
It will be dealt with the same way as if you or I got caught speeding. A fixed penalty ticket. When he sends his licence of to the DVLA they will write back to say from XX/XX/XX he has his licence revoked due to the new drivers act and goes back down to the provisional licence holder.On August 22nd my lad was stopped doing 44 in a 30.
He already has 3 points for a similar offence in June of this year. He has slowed down now!
The copper on the 2nd offence, mentioned he'd probably have his licence revoked as he hadn't yet held it for 2 years, and 6 points is like 12 to those of us who've held it longer.
My son does deliveries as part of his job and he's worried he could lose his job in the time it takes to re-apply for his provisional and retake both theory and practical tests. He was willing to get a letter from his employer and attend court to plead to keep his licence, but three weeks after the offence he received a Fixed Penalty offer saying it could be dealt with by £100 fine and 3 points and no court. This offer letter only gives the option of attending court if you are challenging the allegation - which he is not.
So does the mere offer of dealing with it by fixed penalty suggest his licence won't be revoked, or have all the checks not been done when they send these out?
Also the DVLA website states that "You must apply for a new provisional licence and retake both parts of your driving test if your licence is cancelled within 2 years of passing them." He passed his driving test on 28/9/15 so as it's only a week until the 2nd anniversary of his test, if we didn't send it back for another week it won't be cancelled within the 2 years?
He won't go to court for it (unless he opts to by pleading not guilty).
He will have to do this theory and practical tests again.
stropley said:
TooMany2cvs said:
stropley said:
He was offered the speed awareness course the first time but didn't take it due to time constraints. Also I think I might have put him off when I described the one I went on
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