Is crime out of control in your area?
Discussion
Brummmie said:
According to the Office for National Statistics, 71 per cent of all vehicle-theft occurs during the week and the night is popular time, with 43 per cent occurring during this period of the day.
Hmmm...last time I checked, 5/7 was about 71%. So there's no real pattern to days-of-the-week then, they just like the sound of their own voice.Night - how is that defined? If it's a 10-hr period (e.g. 8pm-6am?!?), then that's close to 43% too...
We had a situation further down our road earlier this year.
Police were notified. They had ALL the evidence, they'd done their own surveillance but not acted on anything. A friend who is in regular communication with our local MP asked about the situation and when I updated him that they had the evidence, done their own surveillance but not acted or removed anyone or raided the place he was shocked.
Police continued to do nothing so a few weeks later when my friend checked in again and found the same situation as before he'd speak to the local MP.
2 days later the place was raided by about 45 officers.
It could be a co-incidence, but I don't think so.
On the other hand, when someone reversed into my parked car in March, the Police were good and got a prosecution in August.
Police were notified. They had ALL the evidence, they'd done their own surveillance but not acted on anything. A friend who is in regular communication with our local MP asked about the situation and when I updated him that they had the evidence, done their own surveillance but not acted or removed anyone or raided the place he was shocked.
Police continued to do nothing so a few weeks later when my friend checked in again and found the same situation as before he'd speak to the local MP.
2 days later the place was raided by about 45 officers.
It could be a co-incidence, but I don't think so.
On the other hand, when someone reversed into my parked car in March, the Police were good and got a prosecution in August.
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I see your presumptions are working well so far since you have decided to work on opposites . "Im not" which to you means "I am" Surely if you were directly involved you would say "I rang them and they did nothing" instead of just knowing about it.
Why not stop being slippery and just either say its down to personal experiences with the police or hear say from others and you ahve adopted their Daily Mail style faux outrage to something that didnt involve you or affect you. You are creating the grey areas to hide
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Wednesday 11th October 13:46
havoc said:
Brummmie said:
According to the Office for National Statistics, 71 per cent of all vehicle-theft occurs during the week and the night is popular time, with 43 per cent occurring during this period of the day.
Hmmm...last time I checked, 5/7 was about 71%. So there's no real pattern to days-of-the-week then, they just like the sound of their own voice.Night - how is that defined? If it's a 10-hr period (e.g. 8pm-6am?!?), then that's close to 43% too...
Met up with a friend at the weekend who works in CID in Coventry...when I asked how the job was going, he said the force was broken...
The government have to be financially responsible but totally agree that there is far too much short term thinking in all government agencies (now and in the past going back decades as the National wealth has gradually run out...or been spent unwisely on social experiments?). Sure there are efficiency savings to be made with the Police as with the NHS, but there definitely comes a point when the wrong savings end up costing the tax payer more. I think we need a coalition type government and to scrap the 5 year election terms...just elect your local MP periodically, or should it be more like a normal job where you get sacked if you fail too often...?
Don`t know what the long term solution is (education of some sort plus better life opportunities), but pretty obvious we need a stronger deterrent or more police to tip the balance again.
The government have to be financially responsible but totally agree that there is far too much short term thinking in all government agencies (now and in the past going back decades as the National wealth has gradually run out...or been spent unwisely on social experiments?). Sure there are efficiency savings to be made with the Police as with the NHS, but there definitely comes a point when the wrong savings end up costing the tax payer more. I think we need a coalition type government and to scrap the 5 year election terms...just elect your local MP periodically, or should it be more like a normal job where you get sacked if you fail too often...?
Don`t know what the long term solution is (education of some sort plus better life opportunities), but pretty obvious we need a stronger deterrent or more police to tip the balance again.
Sadly as the son of a life long copper I can testify to the force broken comment, my Dad had simply had enough 20 odd years ago.
Since when did policing have to justify itself financially, or schooling or the NHS. I understand that money doesn't grow on trees, but it has gone too far.
These should not be classed as profitable or un-profitable businesses, they are offering vital services. More vital than any others.
And the whole trend of this thread in many ways is of the police on reacting to situations, not proactively helping with common crimes like theft and damage.
They will obviously look at things that are basically wrong like violence, child abuse, dealing with accidents, and drugs, but actually dealing with real crimes like theft, car crime, nuisance behaviour is so far down the list.
My mother was run over by a woman who failed to stop at a junction and the plod who came left her very upset, clearly feeling it was her fault, when it was not. And my experience of plod are not overly positive. They will stop you for a light being out on a car, but when you ring up to report a crime that really does impact several people you are held on the phone, made to wait, and nothing gets done.
Opportunistic policing seems the current trend, a lot of crimes ignored in favour of those that are politically motivated. And even more sadly, crimes prioritised in relation to likely prosecution chances, irrespective of the people involved.
Well done Tories, this really is your legacy of dealing with this.
Since when did policing have to justify itself financially, or schooling or the NHS. I understand that money doesn't grow on trees, but it has gone too far.
These should not be classed as profitable or un-profitable businesses, they are offering vital services. More vital than any others.
And the whole trend of this thread in many ways is of the police on reacting to situations, not proactively helping with common crimes like theft and damage.
They will obviously look at things that are basically wrong like violence, child abuse, dealing with accidents, and drugs, but actually dealing with real crimes like theft, car crime, nuisance behaviour is so far down the list.
My mother was run over by a woman who failed to stop at a junction and the plod who came left her very upset, clearly feeling it was her fault, when it was not. And my experience of plod are not overly positive. They will stop you for a light being out on a car, but when you ring up to report a crime that really does impact several people you are held on the phone, made to wait, and nothing gets done.
Opportunistic policing seems the current trend, a lot of crimes ignored in favour of those that are politically motivated. And even more sadly, crimes prioritised in relation to likely prosecution chances, irrespective of the people involved.
Well done Tories, this really is your legacy of dealing with this.
chunder27 said:
Sadly as the son of a life long copper I can testify to the force broken comment, my Dad had simply had enough 20 odd years ago.
Well done Tories, this really is your legacy of dealing with this.
I'm sure some other mob were in power during a chunk of that 20 year period.Well done Tories, this really is your legacy of dealing with this.
20 years ago was 1997, the last part year of an 18 year period of Tory Government and the first part year of the Blair Government. It is now October 2017, so that "chunk" was five months.
Tory voters are fond of reminding us that their party has been in power for most of the last many decades. They are also fond of telling us how broken Britain is. Hmmmmmm.
Tory voters are fond of reminding us that their party has been in power for most of the last many decades. They are also fond of telling us how broken Britain is. Hmmmmmm.
And yet
Despite the number of cars on our roads increasing hugely the number stolen is at the lowest since the late 60's.
The reality is that you are hearing about cars going missing due to the speed and breadth of the media, the fact is a car is much less likely to be stolen than ever.
Forget OBD's and keyless entry, I could get in and start my 1988 Cortina with a spoon!
Despite the number of cars on our roads increasing hugely the number stolen is at the lowest since the late 60's.
The reality is that you are hearing about cars going missing due to the speed and breadth of the media, the fact is a car is much less likely to be stolen than ever.
Forget OBD's and keyless entry, I could get in and start my 1988 Cortina with a spoon!
pavarotti1980 said:
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So what you are saying is all hearsay and not your direct involvement then?mjb1 said:
As per my previous post, my parents had all their keys burglarised two weekends ago. They haven't been able to get a crime number out of plod (only an incident number, which I think is different?). Presume plod don't want to raise crime numbers as that 'affects' the recorded crime stats?
Surely crime figures going up is beneficial as it would justify further investment by government? We had our meeting with the rurals police force last night, there was standing room only as there were so many people, not only from our village but the surrounding other areas, many of them had vehicles taken and being burgled.
He said he had 4 local officers to cover 70 square miles, one of those is permanent at the NEC, although one more is being trained up, when he joined the force 30 years ago they had 26.
To those on here that say there is no problem you have no idea, the frequency and severity is increasing weekly, we have had one week now, since i was burgled last Tuesday although only silly things from my low security shed, but they were after my bikes but my deadlocks and steel door foiled the attack, but they did 14 en block garages in the village also, so we now consider we have had a breather.
But the town next door got it last week instead.
He said he had 4 local officers to cover 70 square miles, one of those is permanent at the NEC, although one more is being trained up, when he joined the force 30 years ago they had 26.
To those on here that say there is no problem you have no idea, the frequency and severity is increasing weekly, we have had one week now, since i was burgled last Tuesday although only silly things from my low security shed, but they were after my bikes but my deadlocks and steel door foiled the attack, but they did 14 en block garages in the village also, so we now consider we have had a breather.
But the town next door got it last week instead.
Edited by Brummmie on Thursday 12th October 09:20
There is indeed a problem, but I would guess that, given the demographic of the Solihull area, many of those who attended the meeting are Tory voters. Perhaps they might now start to consider the consequences of their electoral choices. Short term "I want a low tax bill" selfishness does not pay off in terms of medium to long term self interest. Even if you do not actually care about anyone whom you do not know and like, you can do better selfishness by being unselfish. That means supporting properly funded public services.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 12th October 13:32
Breadvan72 said:
There is indeed a problem, but I would guess that, given the demographic of the Solihull area, many of those who attended the meeting are Tory voters. Perhaps they might now start to consider the consequences of their electoral choices. Short term "I want a low tax bill" selfishness does not pay off in terms of medium to long term self interest. Even if you do not actually care about anyone whom you do not know and like, you can do better selfishness by being unselfish. That means supporting properly funded public services.
100%Edited by Breadvan72 on Thursday 12th October 13:32
I bet most of them claimed to play golf with the Chief Constable.
Greendubber said:
Breadvan72 said:
There is indeed a problem, but I would guess that, given the demographic of the Solihull area, many of those who attended the meeting are Tory voters. Perhaps they might now start to consider the consequences of their electoral choices. Short term "I want a low tax bill" selfishness does not pay off in terms of medium to long term self interest. Even if you do not actually care about anyone whom you do not know and like, you can do better selfishness by being unselfish. That means supporting properly funded public services.
100%Edited by Breadvan72 on Thursday 12th October 13:32
I bet most of them claimed to play golf with the Chief Constable.
Brummmie said:
Greendubber said:
Breadvan72 said:
There is indeed a problem, but I would guess that, given the demographic of the Solihull area, many of those who attended the meeting are Tory voters. Perhaps they might now start to consider the consequences of their electoral choices. Short term "I want a low tax bill" selfishness does not pay off in terms of medium to long term self interest. Even if you do not actually care about anyone whom you do not know and like, you can do better selfishness by being unselfish. That means supporting properly funded public services.
100%Edited by Breadvan72 on Thursday 12th October 13:32
I bet most of them claimed to play golf with the Chief Constable.
Breadvan72 said:
Criminal University? That's Harvard Business School, isn't it?
[Runs away]
No need to run away, I assume the same whenever I have worked with a Harvard MBA.[Runs away]
Thanks to the super fast internet in romania the cyber criminals are rife, but a good place to hire white hats if you ever have the need.
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