Is crime out of control in your area?
Discussion
My impression is that these kind of crimes perpetuate when the ease of offending and perceived low risk of being caught align with poor living standards and relatively lenient punishments.
Taking cars is relatively easy and low risk, your chances of being caught not too high and, if you are, the worst that can happen is fairly minor jail time, which may be more cushy than your life outside, still with easy access to druvs and the outside world.
The systematic taking of traffic Police off the road doesn't just lower the chances of being rozzered for 41mph in a 30 limit with a hair dryer, it lowers the chances of scroates being collared for actual serious offences.
Likewise, full prisons isn't due to a better justice system, it's down to a creaking prison estate that hasn't the capacity required. This leads to the courts being overly generous on second and third chances.
Nobody wants to pay more tax, especially for the perceived prison Playstations, however you have to make a choice between feeling unsafe in your own home versus paying to get the justice system running as it ought to.
Sadly our current Government have little respect for our legal system and the other lot were not really any better.
Better buy some bars for your downstairs windows and something unnatractive to drive...
Taking cars is relatively easy and low risk, your chances of being caught not too high and, if you are, the worst that can happen is fairly minor jail time, which may be more cushy than your life outside, still with easy access to druvs and the outside world.
The systematic taking of traffic Police off the road doesn't just lower the chances of being rozzered for 41mph in a 30 limit with a hair dryer, it lowers the chances of scroates being collared for actual serious offences.
Likewise, full prisons isn't due to a better justice system, it's down to a creaking prison estate that hasn't the capacity required. This leads to the courts being overly generous on second and third chances.
Nobody wants to pay more tax, especially for the perceived prison Playstations, however you have to make a choice between feeling unsafe in your own home versus paying to get the justice system running as it ought to.
Sadly our current Government have little respect for our legal system and the other lot were not really any better.
Better buy some bars for your downstairs windows and something unnatractive to drive...
Breadvan72 said:
Cuts to police resources and CJS resources are an important factor. As usual, the systems are expected to operate on a budget of a quid.
This type of thinking worries me, define resources do you mean CASH 
all I see in many areas is a poor use of resources.I think this bloke is probably spot on
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nhs...
Which links to the quote below
janesmith1950 said:
Nobody wants to pay more tax, especially for the perceived prison Playstations, however you have to make a choice between feeling unsafe in your own home versus paying to get the justice system running as it ought to.
Better buy some bars for your downstairs windows and something unnatractive to drive...
There is no unending money tree, everyone has different priorities and mine is not to unnecessarily increase the tax burden on myself and others to facilitate waste and excuses.Better buy some bars for your downstairs windows and something unnatractive to drive...
Countdown said:
Monkeylegend said:
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Could have been me, I love lemon drizzle cake.Have you tried strawberries warm, 5 sec in the microwave and sprinkled with sugar
Countdown said:
Monkeylegend said:
Mmmmmmmmm. Will have to try that.
Have you tried strawberries warm, 5 sec in the microwave and sprinkled with sugar
Thanks for the suggestion - will give it a bash Have you tried strawberries warm, 5 sec in the microwave and sprinkled with sugar
Does microwaving them help to reduce any of the "tartiness" ?
That's what the sugar is for
No more than 5 secs though or you will burn your tongue
Our Guinea pig loves them as well, minus the sugar.
speedyguy said:
Breadvan72 said:
Cuts to police resources and CJS resources are an important factor. As usual, the systems are expected to operate on a budget of a quid.
This type of thinking worries me, define resources do you mean CASH all I see in many areas is a poor use of resources.I think this bloke is probably spot on
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nhs...
Which links to the quote below
janesmith1950 said:
Nobody wants to pay more tax, especially for the perceived prison Playstations, however you have to make a choice between feeling unsafe in your own home versus paying to get the justice system running as it ought to.
Better buy some bars for your downstairs windows and something unnatractive to drive...
There is no unending money tree, everyone has different priorities and mine is not to unnecessarily increase the tax burden on myself and others to facilitate waste and excuses.Better buy some bars for your downstairs windows and something unnatractive to drive...
Our community has a meeting with the local police and council in the Village hall this week, to discuss this extreme acceleration in crime what will come of it i don't know.
I myself am willing to contribute to a neighbourhood patrol type thing, but that takes alot of people to commit to it, but again its been mentioned, perhaps the police can help us help ourselves?
spookly said:
Breadvan72 said:
I grew up in Solihull and have always regarded it as a wretched hive of sum of villainy.
With regard to allegedly wishy washy policies on crime and punishment, there has over the last decade or more been an increase in the severity of sentences for many crimes, and prisons have been filling up. But this is an ineffective policy, as the USA shows (harsh penal system, still high crime).
Cuts to police resources and CJS resources are an important factor. As usual, the systems are expected to operate on a budget of a quid.
Massive police numbers don't seem to help the yanks either.With regard to allegedly wishy washy policies on crime and punishment, there has over the last decade or more been an increase in the severity of sentences for many crimes, and prisons have been filling up. But this is an ineffective policy, as the USA shows (harsh penal system, still high crime).
Cuts to police resources and CJS resources are an important factor. As usual, the systems are expected to operate on a budget of a quid.
Brummmie said:
There is talk within the village of employing a third party to patrol our streets.
Our community has a meeting with the local police and council in the Village hall this week, to discuss this extreme acceleration in crime what will come of it i don't know.
I myself am willing to contribute to a neighbourhood patrol type thing, but that takes alot of people to commit to it, but again its been mentioned, perhaps the police can help us help ourselves?
before you go down that route did you see this series on BBC? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06mypvnOur community has a meeting with the local police and council in the Village hall this week, to discuss this extreme acceleration in crime what will come of it i don't know.
I myself am willing to contribute to a neighbourhood patrol type thing, but that takes alot of people to commit to it, but again its been mentioned, perhaps the police can help us help ourselves?
That is the standard of private security which would be employed to sort out your issues.....
HannsG said:
I kid you not. Birmingham, Coventry and Solihull in particular are seriously going through a crime wave.
Cars are being stolen daily.
This is fairly meaningless. In 2016, 85,000 cars were stolen across the UK. So cars being stolen 'daily' is not unique to The West Midlands.Cars are being stolen daily.
speedyguy said:
There is no unending money tree, everyone has different priorities and mine is not to unnecessarily increase the tax burden on myself and others to facilitate waste and excuses.
Increasing resources doesn't have to equal an analogous increase in waste. Notwithstanding there is a point where budgets are trimmed to an extent that, despite improved efficiency, a service no longer has the resources to work effectively.And there isn't a simple equation that says additional tax take has a linear relationship with what comes out of your wallet. Take car crime; increased vehicles stolen equals higher insurance premiums for all. Accidents caused by those stealing cars mean the NHS is further burdened putting the perpetrators and victims back together again. The Police have to spread themselves thinly investigating a higher frequency of crimes, exacerbating the shortage of resources, damaging their relationship with the public (who perceive the Police as being disinterested) and meaning other crimes do not get the attention they need. Employers lose the productivity of their employees as they deal with the aftermath of these events. Faced with increased insurance premiums, health issues and a deteriorating relationship with your employer you lose consumer confidence, spend less and contribute less to the VAT economy. That money has to be replaced from somewhere.
Ok, so I over egg the pudding to create a clearer illustration, however it hopefully shows that 'saving' money by restricting Police resources might in fact be costing more than it saves, or at least what you might think at first glance.
Doofus said:
HannsG said:
I kid you not. Birmingham, Coventry and Solihull in particular are seriously going through a crime wave.
Cars are being stolen daily.
This is fairly meaningless. In 2016, 85,000 cars were stolen across the UK. So cars being stolen 'daily' is not unique to The West Midlands.Cars are being stolen daily.
janesmith1950 said:
Increasing resources doesn't have to equal an analogous increase in waste. Notwithstanding there is a point where budgets are trimmed to an extent that, despite improved efficiency, a service no longer has the resources to work effectively.
And there isn't a simple equation that says additional tax take has a linear relationship with what comes out of your wallet. Take car crime; increased vehicles stolen equals higher insurance premiums for all. Accidents caused by those stealing cars mean the NHS is further burdened putting the perpetrators and victims back together again. The Police have to spread themselves thinly investigating a higher frequency of crimes, exacerbating the shortage of resources, damaging their relationship with the public (who perceive the Police as being disinterested) and meaning other crimes do not get the attention they need. Employers lose the productivity of their employees as they deal with the aftermath of these events. Faced with increased insurance premiums, health issues and a deteriorating relationship with your employer you lose consumer confidence, spend less and contribute less to the VAT economy. That money has to be replaced from somewhere.
Ok, so I over egg the pudding to create a clearer illustration, however it hopefully shows that 'saving' money by restricting Police resources might in fact be costing more than it saves, or at least what you might think at first glance.
Never thought of it that deeply, but its a good point, i did have to take the afternoon off work last week to buy more locks and security after our last attack, generated £100 or so for the locksmiths!And there isn't a simple equation that says additional tax take has a linear relationship with what comes out of your wallet. Take car crime; increased vehicles stolen equals higher insurance premiums for all. Accidents caused by those stealing cars mean the NHS is further burdened putting the perpetrators and victims back together again. The Police have to spread themselves thinly investigating a higher frequency of crimes, exacerbating the shortage of resources, damaging their relationship with the public (who perceive the Police as being disinterested) and meaning other crimes do not get the attention they need. Employers lose the productivity of their employees as they deal with the aftermath of these events. Faced with increased insurance premiums, health issues and a deteriorating relationship with your employer you lose consumer confidence, spend less and contribute less to the VAT economy. That money has to be replaced from somewhere.
Ok, so I over egg the pudding to create a clearer illustration, however it hopefully shows that 'saving' money by restricting Police resources might in fact be costing more than it saves, or at least what you might think at first glance.
But 6 weeks ago or so, three doors down a C350 Merc was taken when mum went to get the kids from school, they smashed in the property from the rear, stole all the technology from the house and loaded it in the car.
When the police showed I briefly spoke with one of the officers, he shrugged and said "too much of it about and not enough resources" he didnt seem interested.
The neighbours 8 year old wont go to bed now without a fight, she was first in when the house was turned upside down.
janesmith1950 said:
speedyguy said:
There is no unending money tree, everyone has different priorities and mine is not to unnecessarily increase the tax burden on myself and others to facilitate waste and excuses.
Increasing resources doesn't have to equal an analogous increase in waste. Notwithstanding there is a point where budgets are trimmed to an extent that, despite improved efficiency, a service no longer has the resources to work effectively.And there isn't a simple equation that says additional tax take has a linear relationship with what comes out of your wallet. Take car crime; increased vehicles stolen equals higher insurance premiums for all. Accidents caused by those stealing cars mean the NHS is further burdened putting the perpetrators and victims back together again. The Police have to spread themselves thinly investigating a higher frequency of crimes, exacerbating the shortage of resources, damaging their relationship with the public (who perceive the Police as being disinterested) and meaning other crimes do not get the attention they need. Employers lose the productivity of their employees as they deal with the aftermath of these events. Faced with increased insurance premiums, health issues and a deteriorating relationship with your employer you lose consumer confidence, spend less and contribute less to the VAT economy. That money has to be replaced from somewhere.
Ok, so I over egg the pudding to create a clearer illustration, however it hopefully shows that 'saving' money by restricting Police resources might in fact be costing more than it saves, or at least what you might think at first glance.
There is much short term thinking in public sector cuts. For example cutting legal aid and prosecution budgets can result in more cockups and fewer convictions. More adjourned hearings, more lost files, more waste and delay, more cases abandoned and so on.
Anyone who thinks that prison is cushy has probably never seen the inside of a prison.
Anyone who thinks that prison is cushy has probably never seen the inside of a prison.
It is threads like these makes me thankfull I live were I live tbh.
People think the council estate I live and own my house is as bad as the name it had 20 years ago ,But the local boyyos (UDA) have made sure the area is crime and drug free.
Any antisocal stuff is nipped in the bud and I have not seen or heard of any trouble in the last 15 years now when a pedo was given a house in the area, He was out of the area within a few days.
When you write about these things it sounds bad still tbh but...........
I can go out to work and leave my keys in the door knowing I will come home to the keys in next door after the postie has found them.( yes I have done that a couple of times.
My motorbike lives outside in my front garden without any locks etc bar the steering lock ( 2016 mt09 tracer) with a daytona, a xj6, a box eye fazer and the 125's I have owned before that.
My car stays in a car park out of sight from my house and I know its safe.
I can sit out my back garden in the summer months and its quiet and peacefull
My wife says she feels safe at night walking to the shops etc and loves the area so much she refuses to sell and move to a better house in a so called nicer area.
People think the council estate I live and own my house is as bad as the name it had 20 years ago ,But the local boyyos (UDA) have made sure the area is crime and drug free.
Any antisocal stuff is nipped in the bud and I have not seen or heard of any trouble in the last 15 years now when a pedo was given a house in the area, He was out of the area within a few days.
When you write about these things it sounds bad still tbh but...........
I can go out to work and leave my keys in the door knowing I will come home to the keys in next door after the postie has found them.( yes I have done that a couple of times.
My motorbike lives outside in my front garden without any locks etc bar the steering lock ( 2016 mt09 tracer) with a daytona, a xj6, a box eye fazer and the 125's I have owned before that.
My car stays in a car park out of sight from my house and I know its safe.
I can sit out my back garden in the summer months and its quiet and peacefull
My wife says she feels safe at night walking to the shops etc and loves the area so much she refuses to sell and move to a better house in a so called nicer area.
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