Rear ended car at roundabout
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REALIST123 said:
heebeegeetee said:
It's a common shunt. My method to avoid it is not to look to my right until I've seen the car in front go.
This all the way. It's not rocket science. Don't move off until it's clear. Not when you think it's clear, when you know it's clear. KungFuPanda said:
robemcdonald said:
Happened to me last year. The guy slammed the anchors on in front of me on the roundabout. Got out rubbing his neck....
Bought a dash cam later that same day.
You bought a dash cam to record you negligently driving into the back of someone if it ever happened again?Bought a dash cam later that same day.
FiF said:
My method to avoid it is that before launching that last look is always to the front.
Agree with those observing that the rate certain people circulate on some islands coupled with stupid councils deliberately obscuring sight lines can mean that you make the go decision, only to find someone scraping door handles appearing. Cue accident report containing the word, 'suddenly'.
"Suddenly and without warning" is the line usually rolled out. Agree with those observing that the rate certain people circulate on some islands coupled with stupid councils deliberately obscuring sight lines can mean that you make the go decision, only to find someone scraping door handles appearing. Cue accident report containing the word, 'suddenly'.
Hope your Dad is OK and not too shaken up by it.
Too late now but my advice would have be "in the absence of a dash cam start your cameraphone recording and capture exactly how many people are in the car you hit". It is a 100% fault accident for your dad but no need for anyone to milk it for more than it was.
Too late now but my advice would have be "in the absence of a dash cam start your cameraphone recording and capture exactly how many people are in the car you hit". It is a 100% fault accident for your dad but no need for anyone to milk it for more than it was.
Pdelamare said:
Fortunately I learnt this lesson when I was 16 on my motorbike, nothing like mashing one’s testicles into the fuel tank of an RD350 to instill a habit of always looking both ways and not assuming the car carried on going.
The upside is that I had impressively large testicles for a couple of weeks afterwards.
And just why were you riding a 350cc bike at 16? (I would never have done such a thing...)The upside is that I had impressively large testicles for a couple of weeks afterwards.
Pics please (Of the bike
)KungFuPanda said:
robemcdonald said:
Happened to me last year. The guy slammed the anchors on in front of me on the roundabout. Got out rubbing his neck....
Bought a dash cam later that same day.
You bought a dash cam to record you negligently driving into the back of someone if it ever happened again?Bought a dash cam later that same day.
750turbo said:
Pdelamare said:
Fortunately I learnt this lesson when I was 16 on my motorbike, nothing like mashing one’s testicles into the fuel tank of an RD350 to instill a habit of always looking both ways and not assuming the car carried on going.
The upside is that I had impressively large testicles for a couple of weeks afterwards.
And just why were you riding a 350cc bike at 16? (I would never have done such a thing...)The upside is that I had impressively large testicles for a couple of weeks afterwards.
Pics please (Of the bike
)280E said:
Old people should be banned from the road - they cause far too many crashes;)
On the other hand, there's also young folks ,who are taught to stop on roundabouts and look to see if all is clear, rather than looking before hand /in advance, or still cling to the doctrine that changing gear is only done with wheels straight ( blame the driving test for that one), where older drivers have taught themselves to steer with one hand and change gear with the other to get up to speed ( especially on a roundabout) as quickly as possible. Sorry to hear about that OP, but sadly I can't see your dad avoiding blame for that one.
I very nearly learnt the hard way in my early 20s when the car in front stopped despite there being nothing on the roundabout - I only got away with that one because there were 2 lanes and I just managed to get into the other lane!
But if nothing else it has made me much more careful when joining rounbabouts.
I very nearly learnt the hard way in my early 20s when the car in front stopped despite there being nothing on the roundabout - I only got away with that one because there were 2 lanes and I just managed to get into the other lane!
But if nothing else it has made me much more careful when joining rounbabouts.
My only (to date, touch wood) accident was totally my fault - coming off a motorway into a light controlled junction, lights on red. I was second in line, first car pulled away, but did an emergency stop as he thought the car to the right was about to jump the lights (was coming up very fast) - I went straight into the back of him at maybe 5-10 mph.
I was very lucky it was treated 50/50. There's nothing to stop anyone in front of you doing an emergency stop (even in nefarious circumstances), so I guess if you go into the back of them then you were following too close by default. Doesn't sound very fair I know, but makes sense when you think about it.
Car was a Citroen BX by the way, fixed it with masking tape...
I was very lucky it was treated 50/50. There's nothing to stop anyone in front of you doing an emergency stop (even in nefarious circumstances), so I guess if you go into the back of them then you were following too close by default. Doesn't sound very fair I know, but makes sense when you think about it.
Car was a Citroen BX by the way, fixed it with masking tape...
Happened to me on a roundabout I went to pull out then spotted the motorcycle so stopped, chap behind piled into me as he was looking right, saw my brakelights go off and didn't bother looking ahead.
Ruined our weekend away and I ended up selling the mx5 as it never felt right
I'm Eastern European.
The driver did the decent thing and held his hand up
Ruined our weekend away and I ended up selling the mx5 as it never felt right
I'm Eastern European.
The driver did the decent thing and held his hand up
robemcdonald said:
KungFuPanda said:
robemcdonald said:
Happened to me last year. The guy slammed the anchors on in front of me on the roundabout. Got out rubbing his neck....
Bought a dash cam later that same day.
You bought a dash cam to record you negligently driving into the back of someone if it ever happened again?Bought a dash cam later that same day.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
robemcdonald said:
KungFuPanda said:
robemcdonald said:
Happened to me last year. The guy slammed the anchors on in front of me on the roundabout. Got out rubbing his neck....
Bought a dash cam later that same day.
You bought a dash cam to record you negligently driving into the back of someone if it ever happened again?Bought a dash cam later that same day.
It was my fault obviously, but if I had had video evidence I believe it would have been settled 50:50, maybe even in my favour.
Here's a pic of the damage
Edited as I got offside and nearside the wrong way around (it's Monday morning) and to add a pic
Edited by robemcdonald on Monday 16th October 10:04
bobtail4x4 said:
750turbo said:
Pdelamare said:
Fortunately I learnt this lesson when I was 16 on my motorbike, nothing like mashing one’s testicles into the fuel tank of an RD350 to instill a habit of always looking both ways and not assuming the car carried on going.
The upside is that I had impressively large testicles for a couple of weeks afterwards.
And just why were you riding a 350cc bike at 16? (I would never have done such a thing...)The upside is that I had impressively large testicles for a couple of weeks afterwards.
Pics please (Of the bike
)robemcdonald said:
It was my fault obviously, but if I had had video evidence I believe it would have been settled 50:50, maybe even in my favour.
That line makes no sense. It was your fault. Video evidence would just confirm it was your fault. The worst thing in my view about the rise of cash for crash incidents, isn't the cash for crash incidents (which are still very rare in terms of the numbers of collisions), but that it had become the fall back excuse for anyone who crashes into the back of anyone else.
These days, according to the drivers at fault, 95% of all rear end shunts are a cash for crash scam, which sadly couldn't be proven. It's utter nonsense.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
That line makes no sense. It was your fault. Video evidence would just confirm it was your fault.
The worst thing in my view about the rise of cash for crash incidents, isn't the cash for crash incidents (which are still very rare in terms of the numbers of collisions), but that it had become the fall back excuse for anyone who crashes into the back of anyone else.
These days, according to the drivers at fault, 95% of all rear end shunts are a cash for crash scam, which sadly couldn't be proven. It's utter nonsense.
Apologies. What I meant was; obviously without supporting video evidence the insurance company settled the claim as my fault. The worst thing in my view about the rise of cash for crash incidents, isn't the cash for crash incidents (which are still very rare in terms of the numbers of collisions), but that it had become the fall back excuse for anyone who crashes into the back of anyone else.
These days, according to the drivers at fault, 95% of all rear end shunts are a cash for crash scam, which sadly couldn't be proven. It's utter nonsense.
I will strive for greater clarity in future posts.
As for the crash for cash; I guess on balance there may have been another reason the other driver chose to stop dead for no apparent reason on a roundabout. I will never know and further speculation is probably pointless.
As for the 95% figure. I would be interested to see the source for the statistic. Can you please provide a link?
Final thing. It's very easy to be holier than thou about these incidents. Right up until it happens to you. I drive around 40k every year, which is more than most and less than some. I have had one "my fault" accident (as described above) in the past fifteen plus years. Be careful with your criticisms it could well be you tomorrow.
Anyways my reason for posting wa to share some empathy with the OP having beeen involved a similar situation. Not to be accused of negligent driving or talking nonsense.
robemcdonald said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
That line makes no sense. It was your fault. Video evidence would just confirm it was your fault.
The worst thing in my view about the rise of cash for crash incidents, isn't the cash for crash incidents (which are still very rare in terms of the numbers of collisions), but that it had become the fall back excuse for anyone who crashes into the back of anyone else.
These days, according to the drivers at fault, 95% of all rear end shunts are a cash for crash scam, which sadly couldn't be proven. It's utter nonsense.
Apologies. What I meant was; obviously without supporting video evidence the insurance company settled the claim as my fault. The worst thing in my view about the rise of cash for crash incidents, isn't the cash for crash incidents (which are still very rare in terms of the numbers of collisions), but that it had become the fall back excuse for anyone who crashes into the back of anyone else.
These days, according to the drivers at fault, 95% of all rear end shunts are a cash for crash scam, which sadly couldn't be proven. It's utter nonsense.
I will strive for greater clarity in future posts.
As for the crash for cash; I guess on balance there may have been another reason the other driver chose to stop dead for no apparent reason on a roundabout. I will never know and further speculation is probably pointless.
As for the 95% figure. I would be interested to see the source for the statistic. Can you please provide a link?
Final thing. It's very easy to be holier than thou about these incidents. Right up until it happens to you. I drive around 40k every year, which is more than most and less than some. I have had one "my fault" accident (as described above) in the past fifteen plus years. Be careful with your criticisms it could well be you tomorrow.
Anyways my reason for posting wa to share some empathy with the OP having beeen involved a similar situation. Not to be accused of negligent driving or talking nonsense.
95% is based on my interactions with people who have hit someone up the back. It's nearly always cash for crash. Never their own lack of concentration.
Of course it may well be me tomorrow. If and when it is, unless it happens in the North West or Birmingham, and unless half a dozen young Asian males get out of the car claiming to be in pain (that's the standard location and demographic for this type of incident according to all the studies), then I won't be blaming cash for crash. I'll be blaming myself.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
They settled your claim as fault because it was fault. Video evidence would have just confirmed this, not added anything.
95% is based on my interactions with people who have hit someone up the back. It's nearly always cash for crash. Never their own lack of concentration.
Of course it may well be me tomorrow. If and when it is, unless it happens in the North West or Birmingham, and unless half a dozen young Asian males get out of the car claiming to be in pain (that's the standard location and demographic for this type of incident according to all the studies), then I won't be blaming cash for crash. I'll be blaming myself.
So you fabricated a statistic to highlight other people talking nonsense on the internet............95% is based on my interactions with people who have hit someone up the back. It's nearly always cash for crash. Never their own lack of concentration.
Of course it may well be me tomorrow. If and when it is, unless it happens in the North West or Birmingham, and unless half a dozen young Asian males get out of the car claiming to be in pain (that's the standard location and demographic for this type of incident according to all the studies), then I won't be blaming cash for crash. I'll be blaming myself.
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