BMW -- Keyless -- Gone in 60 Seconds...

[mickmcpaddy]

twister said:

This might not have helped here, because it seems like the car already believed it'd been unlocked correctly - note how the antenna-holding scrotes partner in crime had already opened the drivers door before antenna-holder started scanning for the keyfob.

This is the bit I didn't get, I thought to start the car you just needed to get in it without setting off the alarm, then you programmed the new blank key you had with a laptop and software. I thought the antenna was just to unlock the car so how did he open the door without the antenna being in range? Or is this antenna an unbelievably easier way to steal a BMW without even needing a laptop?

Or maybe the thick looking one was just given a piece of black cardboard to hold to feel important.

[HedgeyGedgey]

Thermobaric said:

Or result in your front door getting kicked in looking for the keys to the disklok.

Yep agreed, if the theives want the car that much they'll get the keys. Some s3's have been taken at gunpoint as a result of people hiding keys etc. This is serious organised crime, if they want the keys they'll get them

[Stick Legs]

This is how my BMW is secured...

In a garage, behind the house, behind some gates, overlooked.

[KungFuPanda]

rfisher said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keyless-Key-Entry-Fob-Gu...

Don't forget to get one for the spare key as well or take the battery out.

Job jobbied.

Unless they then break in to steal the key.

Do these work on security clothes tags as well?

[darker grapefruit]

KungFuPanda said:

Do these work on security clothes tags as well?

"I'm gonna pop some tags..."

[anonymous-user]

KungFuPanda said:

rfisher said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keyless-Key-Entry-Fob-Gu...

Don't forget to get one for the spare key as well or take the battery out.

Job jobbied.

Unless they then break in to steal the key.

Do these work on security clothes tags as well?

Foil lined bags have been used by shoplifters for years.

[Max5476]

La Liga said:

KungFuPanda said:

rfisher said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keyless-Key-Entry-Fob-Gu...

Don't forget to get one for the spare key as well or take the battery out.

Job jobbied.

Unless they then break in to steal the key.

Do these work on security clothes tags as well?

Foil lined bags have been used by shoplifters for years.

This could be easily solved with the addition of an off button on the key fob, giving the user the control to decide to use keyless or not while stopping the need to faff around with extra bags for your keys.

It still has a benefit, if you've just popped to the shops, its a lot less likely someone will follow you around to relay your key so you can leave it on, but when you are parked on the drive, it can be disabled requiring at least the key to unlock.

[shep1001]

Wonder if it works with keyless Mazda too?

[Defcon5]

twister said:

This might not have helped here, because it seems like the car already believed it'd been unlocked correctly - note how the antenna-holding scrotes partner in crime had already opened the drivers door before antenna-holder started scanning for the keyfob.

Antenna man doesn't know the capabilities of his kit, the waving around looking for a signal will be unnecessary. If the keys themselves were near the front door his kit will have picked up the signal halfway up the drive, and already been relaying it to the sender unit

shep1001 said:

Wonder if it works with keyless Mazda too?

Anything with a keyless entry and start is vulnerable.

[twister]

Defcon5 said:

twister said:

This might not have helped here, because it seems like the car already believed it'd been unlocked correctly - note how the antenna-holding scrotes partner in crime had already opened the drivers door before antenna-holder started scanning for the keyfob.

Antenna man doesn't know the capabilities of his kit, the waving around looking for a signal will be unnecessary. If the keys themselves were near the front door his kit will have picked up the signal halfway up the drive, and already been relaying it to the sender unit

Given the CCTV footage clearly shows antenna man watching his accomplice opening the car door *before* he then turns to start waving the antenna around, I suggest that he either knows perfectly well what the capabilities are at least as far as defeating the keyless *entry* side of things goes, or there's another means of defeating that and the antenna is only then required to relay the keyless *start* signal to the transponder antenna within the cabin...

[Who me ?]

4rephill said:

It never ceases to amaze Me - People will spend tens of thousands of pounds on a car, but won't spend £110~£125 on a disklok that would help prevent this kind of theft.

Or a modest amount in a separate non remote alarm & immobiliser system , discretely fitted. No codes to read, but a nasty alarm going off when the alarmed car is opened. They might chance a break in to get disclock keys, but would they hang around with a car alarm waking up the neighbourhood, with the likliehood that someone would clock the plates of their vehicle.

[Yipper]

HedgeyGedgey said:

Thermobaric said:

Or result in your front door getting kicked in looking for the keys to the disklok.

Yep agreed, if the theives want the car that much they'll get the keys. Some s3's have been taken at gunpoint as a result of people hiding keys etc. This is serious organised crime, if they want the keys they'll get them

The trick -- to stop home invasion -- is to lock all internal doors and get good locks fitted.

If a thief(s) has to break through 3 or 4 heavily fortified doors and alarms and cameras and bright lights to get to you and your keys, they will almost always give up, and / or give you plenty of time to dial 999.

One-door security is never enough. Especially if you live in car-crime hotspots up north.

[johnwilliams77]

Yipper said:

The trick -- to stop home invasion -- is to lock all internal doors and get good locks fitted.

If a thief(s) has to break through 3 or 4 heavily fortified doors and alarms and cameras and bright lights to get to you and your keys, they will almost always give up, and / or give you plenty of time to dial 999.

One-door security is never enough. Especially if you live in car-crime hotspots up north.

How many people do you know that have ‘4 heavily fortified doors’??

[Sheepshanks]

johnwilliams77 said:

Yipper said:

The trick -- to stop home invasion -- is to lock all internal doors and get good locks fitted.

If a thief(s) has to break through 3 or 4 heavily fortified doors and alarms and cameras and bright lights to get to you and your keys, they will almost always give up, and / or give you plenty of time to dial 999.

One-door security is never enough. Especially if you live in car-crime hotspots up north.

How many people do you know that have ‘4 heavily fortified doors’??

What a nightmare to feel you have to live like that. We only lock our front door when we go to bed or if we’re out.

[lee_fr200]

I live in West Yorkshire all my internal doors have one way Chubb locks so it would make it difficult and the alarm will be ringing

[GrumpyTwig]

lee_fr200 said:

I live in West Yorkshire all my internal doors have one way Chubb locks so it would make it difficult and the alarm will be ringing

As in the type that lock on close? On internal doors? I know it's rough in places up here but that sounds a bit extreme.

[lee_fr200]

GrumpyTwig said:

lee_fr200 said:

I live in West Yorkshire all my internal doors have one way Chubb locks so it would make it difficult and the alarm will be ringing

As in the type that lock on close? On internal doors? I know it's rough in places up here but that sounds a bit extreme.

No the splined key you put in and turn, if they got through my patio doors the dining room door doesn't have a keyhole so they would be having to mess about , same if they came through the kitchen, if they actually got through them into my lounge the door to upstairs also has a lock! Very time consuming if you ask me,

Yes it might be extreme but I have 2 very young children who I wouldn't want endangering and my wife is a nervous wreck as quite a few cars round here have been stolen (not on my estate but the next one)

Just for reference I don't live in a bad area and it's a new build estate but I take security seriously! I've just had brick pillars built so I can have a electric gate and I'm buying a fence tomorrow morning to kind of hide my car a little too! I even block my drive with my van, it's all just to make life hard!

[Stick Legs]

lee_fr200 said:

GrumpyTwig said:

lee_fr200 said:

I live in West Yorkshire all my internal doors have one way Chubb locks so it would make it difficult and the alarm will be ringing

As in the type that lock on close? On internal doors? I know it's rough in places up here but that sounds a bit extreme.

No the splined key you put in and turn, if they got through my patio doors the dining room door doesn't have a keyhole so they would be having to mess about , same if they came through the kitchen, if they actually got through them into my lounge the door to upstairs also has a lock! Very time consuming if you ask me,

Yes it might be extreme but I have 2 very young children who I wouldn't want endangering and my wife is a nervous wreck as quite a few cars round here have been stolen (not on my estate but the next one)

Just for reference I don't live in a bad area and it's a new build estate but I take security seriously! I've just had brick pillars built so I can have a electric gate and I'm buying a fence tomorrow morning to kind of hide my car a little too! I even block my drive with my van, it's all just to make life hard!

Don't get me wrong, I like cars but if that was the situation I'd be in a P reg Mondeo like a shot!

[Sk00p]

mickmcpaddy said:

twister said:

This might not have helped here, because it seems like the car already believed it'd been unlocked correctly - note how the antenna-holding scrotes partner in crime had already opened the drivers door before antenna-holder started scanning for the keyfob.

This is the bit I didn't get, I thought to start the car you just needed to get in it without setting off the alarm, then you programmed the new blank key you had with a laptop and software. I thought the antenna was just to unlock the car so how did he open the door without the antenna being in range? Or is this antenna an unbelievably easier way to steal a BMW without even needing a laptop?

Or maybe the thick looking one was just given a piece of black cardboard to hold to feel important.

My guess is 2 signals from the key, one to unlock the door then the immobiliser. Door unlock is stronger, to unlock doors as you approach, and needs less amplifying so the car unlocks as he walks toward the house, takes a while to get close enough for the immobiliser to work. The car unlocking as they approach would also tell them game on the keys are in reach for the second bit.

[twister]

Sk00p said:

mickmcpaddy said:

twister said:

This might not have helped here, because it seems like the car already believed it'd been unlocked correctly - note how the antenna-holding scrotes partner in crime had already opened the drivers door before antenna-holder started scanning for the keyfob.

This is the bit I didn't get, I thought to start the car you just needed to get in it without setting off the alarm, then you programmed the new blank key you had with a laptop and software. I thought the antenna was just to unlock the car so how did he open the door without the antenna being in range? Or is this antenna an unbelievably easier way to steal a BMW without even needing a laptop?

Or maybe the thick looking one was just given a piece of black cardboard to hold to feel important.

My guess is 2 signals from the key, one to unlock the door then the immobiliser. Door unlock is stronger, to unlock doors as you approach, and needs less amplifying so the car unlocks as he walks toward the house, takes a while to get close enough for the immobiliser to work. The car unlocking as they approach would also tell them game on the keys are in reach for the second bit.

IME (with the system Jaguar fit to the XF) the keyless entry side of things isn't any longer ranged than the keyless start side of things - both require the fob to be within a couple of feet of the respective antenna, and that's really how it ought to be. If your keyless entry system allows for the doors to be unlocked if the person carrying the fob is more than their own arms-length away from the respective door/tailgate. then it's overpowered IMO - the standard remote unlock capability is still there if you really need to unlock the car at greater distances.