Bought 'new' item today, then emailed saying scratched etc
Discussion
mikeveal said:
I often wonder how people can be so spectacularly bad at negotiation.
OP, please compare the following two conversations:
1/
Buyer : "I'd like to buy your widget please."
Seller:" OK, the price is £1000."
Buyer: " Great. Here's £1000."
Seller: "Oh, sorry, we've just inspected the widget, it's utterly utterly buggered. It's also the last one we can ever get. Would you still like it?"
Buyer : "Oh yes, it's the last one. I have no choice but to take it. I need it. Could you hold a moment, whilst I drop my trousers and lie face down on this handily placed barrel? ... OK, I'm prostrated, don't worry about using lube. Oh, whilst you're there can I have a discount please?"
2/
Buyer : "I'd like to buy your widget please."
Seller:" OK, the price is £1000."
Buyer: " Great. Here's £1000."
Seller: "Oh, sorry, we've just inspected the widget, it's utterly utterly buggered. It's also the last one we can ever get. Would you still like it?"
Buyer : "Oh darn, it'll need a lot of work and money to put it right again, if we could come to an agreement on price, I could still be interested."
Seller: "Look, we both know this is the only one. The price is the price. Take it or leave it. If you don't want it, somebody else will. Besides, the issue is purely cosmetic and you'll almost certainly respray it to match the other panels anyway"OP, please compare the following two conversations:
1/
Buyer : "I'd like to buy your widget please."
Seller:" OK, the price is £1000."
Buyer: " Great. Here's £1000."
Seller: "Oh, sorry, we've just inspected the widget, it's utterly utterly buggered. It's also the last one we can ever get. Would you still like it?"
Buyer : "Oh yes, it's the last one. I have no choice but to take it. I need it. Could you hold a moment, whilst I drop my trousers and lie face down on this handily placed barrel? ... OK, I'm prostrated, don't worry about using lube. Oh, whilst you're there can I have a discount please?"
2/
Buyer : "I'd like to buy your widget please."
Seller:" OK, the price is £1000."
Buyer: " Great. Here's £1000."
Seller: "Oh, sorry, we've just inspected the widget, it's utterly utterly buggered. It's also the last one we can ever get. Would you still like it?"
Buyer : "Oh darn, it'll need a lot of work and money to put it right again, if we could come to an agreement on price, I could still be interested."
mikeveal said:
The wife often watches that Location programme with the awful Kirsty whatshername. It always amazes me when Kirsty negotiates price with a vendor that despite being a professional* she is so bad at negotiation. There's never any "We think the house is nice, but needs xy&z, so we feel it's worth £££ and that's what we'd like to offer." or "They love it, so they're going in right at the top of their budget, and offering £££. We appreciate it's not quite the asking price, but they're really squeezing every last penny & can't afford any more, so this is a full and final offer. On the plus side, yada yada...". No it's: "What do you think your vendor would say if we put a slightly cheeky offer of ££ in."
Dim bint.
It's television. It's make-believe. They aren't REALLY filming that conversation as it actually happens. It's probably not even the first take.Dim bint.
TooMany2cvs said:
It's television. It's make-believe. They aren't REALLY filming that conversation as it actually happens. It's probably not even the first take.
Always amusing to read someone who takes any kind of "reality" TV at face value. Like, they'll gleefully point out how they know how fake Big Brother is, but then earnestly watch X Factor or Kitchen Nightmares or something and dutifully accept everything as shown to them.Even stuff like The Apprentice, when someone gets the boot there's a camera waiting for them to walk out with their mock suitcase, and to film their "reaction" when they're being driven away. Multiple cameras that have been set up in advance of apparently shocking moments are a dead giveaway and the sort of thing that - once seen - you can't really unsee.
X-Factor - anyone with a heart-rending backstory is going to go through, you might as well not even bother watching the performance, etc.
My personal pet hate at the moment is Grand Designs. Every bloody episode Kevin McCloud talks about how the couple are over budget, behind schedule, etc then miraculously it's all sorted at the end. You never see anyone actually completely failing to complete whatever they set out to achieve. I realise that would be a pretty grimdark show but... bleh... I just hate fake suspense.
This is worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKQoNIxRo-Y
Durzel said:
Always amusing to read someone who takes any kind of "reality" TV at face value.
Multiple cameras that have been set up in advance of apparently shocking moments are a dead giveaway and the sort of thing that - once seen - you can't really unsee.
My personal favourite is anything where the presenter goes to visit somebody they "haven't met before"... Multiple cameras that have been set up in advance of apparently shocking moments are a dead giveaway and the sort of thing that - once seen - you can't really unsee.
Door opens, "Oh, Hi, I'm <x>, can I come in?" - <switch to camera in hallway as presenter enters house>
TooMany2cvs said:
My personal favourite is anything where the presenter goes to visit somebody they "haven't met before"...
Door opens, "Oh, Hi, I'm <x>, can I come in?" - <switch to camera in hallway as presenter enters house>
Door opens, "Oh, Hi, I'm <x>, can I come in?" - <switch to camera in hallway as presenter enters house>
Only problem is it makes it hard to watch shows like that, even stuff that isn't really selling itself as "reality TV". Like you say the door step introduction which is everywhere is also contrived.
Durzel said:
TooMany2cvs said:
My personal favourite is anything where the presenter goes to visit somebody they "haven't met before"...
Door opens, "Oh, Hi, I'm <x>, can I come in?" - <switch to camera in hallway as presenter enters house>
Door opens, "Oh, Hi, I'm <x>, can I come in?" - <switch to camera in hallway as presenter enters house>
Only problem is it makes it hard to watch shows like that, even stuff that isn't really selling itself as "reality TV". Like you say the door step introduction which is everywhere is also contrived.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.................................
I do still like the Apprentice though, I can imagine a lot of them posting on PH
TooMany2cvs said:
Durzel said:
Always amusing to read someone who takes any kind of "reality" TV at face value.
Multiple cameras that have been set up in advance of apparently shocking moments are a dead giveaway and the sort of thing that - once seen - you can't really unsee.
My personal favourite is anything where the presenter goes to visit somebody they "haven't met before"... Multiple cameras that have been set up in advance of apparently shocking moments are a dead giveaway and the sort of thing that - once seen - you can't really unsee.
Door opens, "Oh, Hi, I'm <x>, can I come in?" - <switch to camera in hallway as presenter enters house>
I got free tickets to a celebrity game show pilot many years ago, hosted by Chris Tarrant.
- They had a mystery start guest who the start panellists were seen talking to in the VIP area before the how.
- They stopped filming occasionally, if a panellist did something stupid, and cut back to a previous question. The officially recorded answer second time around was often better/stolen from another panellist.
- They filmed two weekly shows on the bounce, where we sat in our seats and the stars went off for 10mins to change outfits.
To be honest, I only went for the free VIP bar, but now I cant take any show type programme seriously.
- They had a mystery start guest who the start panellists were seen talking to in the VIP area before the how.
- They stopped filming occasionally, if a panellist did something stupid, and cut back to a previous question. The officially recorded answer second time around was often better/stolen from another panellist.
- They filmed two weekly shows on the bounce, where we sat in our seats and the stars went off for 10mins to change outfits.
To be honest, I only went for the free VIP bar, but now I cant take any show type programme seriously.
TooMany2cvs said:
The person who's selling it could ask £4m for it, if they wanted, with a big turd balanced on top and "YOU UTTER MUG" crudely scratched in to the finish above an illustration of a splurting cock and balls.
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Yes, then send it to 'you' to see the look on your highly humorous little face if 'you' were the customer, what a delight that would be, come on a forum saying one thing, then when you're on the other end....... .
[quote=TooMany2cvs][quote=mikeveal]I often wonder how people can be so spectacularly bad at negotiation.
OP, please compare the following two conversations:
Seller: "Look, we both know this is the only one. The price is the price. Take it or leave it. If you don't want it, somebody else will. Besides, the issue is purely cosmetic and you'll almost certainly respray it to match the other panels anyway"
"Somebody else will"? Who exactly? They've had it potentially for 24 years up to this point ffs.
"Match to other panels" panel is black, rest of panels on bike are black.
OP, please compare the following two conversations:
Seller: "Look, we both know this is the only one. The price is the price. Take it or leave it. If you don't want it, somebody else will. Besides, the issue is purely cosmetic and you'll almost certainly respray it to match the other panels anyway"
"Somebody else will"? Who exactly? They've had it potentially for 24 years up to this point ffs.
"Match to other panels" panel is black, rest of panels on bike are black.
robbocop33 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
The person who's selling it could ask £4m for it, if they wanted, with a big turd balanced on top and "YOU UTTER MUG" crudely scratched in to the finish above an illustration of a splurting cock and balls.
Yes, then send it to 'you' to see the look on your highly humorous little face if 'you' were the customer, what a delight that would be, come on a forum saying one thing, then when you're on the other end....... TooMany2cvs said:
Your choice is exactly the same - buy it or don't buy it. They're waiting for your reply.
They are offering an item for sale. You do not have to buy the item for that price.You can counter-offer, or you can walk away and they lose the sale entirely.
That's it. That simple. We do not have any kind of legislated retail price maintenance or other price control in this country. Nobody OWES you this part, just because it's the only one you've found for sale so far. It may be the only one worldwide, it may not. If it IS the only one worldwide, then it matters not whether it's got cosmetic damage or not, because there isn't an undamaged one - it doesn't exist.
They have it, you want it - how badly do you want it? How much money are you willing to pay for it?
BTW - going by the other thread, is this the colour scheme we're talking about?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Honestly, it's gopping. Looks like something My Little Pony would ride. They're saving you from yourself.
Hol said:
Ebay is awash with very rare 'New Old Stock' items for classic cars in battered boxes, with a few marks on them.
Nobody seems confused by the obvious concept of 'old stock' or rarity value.
I know I've restored cars and bikes for years. However panels don't get scratches like the ones photographed in a box. Item advertised as 'new', photo on their site is of a split new glossy panel. Nobody seems confused by the obvious concept of 'old stock' or rarity value.
Kawasaki, contrary to all the smart arses opinions on here gave me a decal a few weeks back, incidentally again 'last one available' and were up front and said it's old stock, wrinkled etc and dropped the price(without me uttering a word) from £76 to £20 INCLUDING post.
Christ, that would throw you lot into utter bloody confusion!!!
robbocop33 said:
Seller: "Look, we both know this is the only one. The price is the price. Take it or leave it. If you don't want it, somebody else will. Besides, the issue is purely cosmetic and you'll almost certainly respray it to match the other panels anyway"
"Somebody else will"? Who exactly? They've had it potentially for 24 years up to this point ffs.
"Match to other panels" panel is black, rest of panels on bike are black.
I think you're missing the single point that everyone here is telling you. You really want this item and will happily pay 20% more for the item, damaged or not. In fact Somebody Else could buy that item from the Seller, possibly negotiating a crafty discount upfront,and sell it to you for 30% and you'd still buy it!"Somebody else will"? Who exactly? They've had it potentially for 24 years up to this point ffs.
"Match to other panels" panel is black, rest of panels on bike are black.
robbocop33 said:
I know I've restored cars and bikes for years. However panels don't get scratches like the ones photographed in a box. Item advertised as 'new', photo on their site is of a split new glossy panel.
Kawasaki, contrary to all the smart arses opinions on here gave me a decal a few weeks back, incidentally again 'last one available' and were up front and said it's old stock, wrinkled etc and dropped the price(without me uttering a word) from £76 to £20 INCLUDING post.
Christ, that would throw you lot into utter bloody confusion!!!
Surely you'd prefer that they be upfront and say "now we've got it off the racks we've seen teh scratches etc" than send it and say "must have been damaged in transit"?Kawasaki, contrary to all the smart arses opinions on here gave me a decal a few weeks back, incidentally again 'last one available' and were up front and said it's old stock, wrinkled etc and dropped the price(without me uttering a word) from £76 to £20 INCLUDING post.
Christ, that would throw you lot into utter bloody confusion!!!
After all probably the last time they actually looked at the part was when it was put in teh rack 20odd years ago.
TooMany2cvs said:
They are offering an item for sale. You do not have to buy the item for that price.
You can counter-offer, or you can walk away and they lose the sale entirely.
That's it. That simple. We do not have any kind of legislated retail price maintenance or other price control in this country. Nobody OWES you this part, just because it's the only one you've found for sale so far. It may be the only one worldwide, it may not. If it IS the only one worldwide, then it matters not whether it's got cosmetic damage or not, because there isn't an undamaged one - it doesn't exist.
They have it, you want it - how badly do you want it? How much money are you willing to pay for it?
BTW - going by the other thread, is this the colour scheme we're talking about?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Honestly, it's gopping. Looks like something My Little Pony would ride. They're saving you from yourself.
Nope, not that one, oh dear! You can counter-offer, or you can walk away and they lose the sale entirely.
That's it. That simple. We do not have any kind of legislated retail price maintenance or other price control in this country. Nobody OWES you this part, just because it's the only one you've found for sale so far. It may be the only one worldwide, it may not. If it IS the only one worldwide, then it matters not whether it's got cosmetic damage or not, because there isn't an undamaged one - it doesn't exist.
They have it, you want it - how badly do you want it? How much money are you willing to pay for it?
BTW - going by the other thread, is this the colour scheme we're talking about?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Honestly, it's gopping. Looks like something My Little Pony would ride. They're saving you from yourself.
robbocop33 said:
However panels don't get scratches like the ones photographed in a box. Item advertised as 'new', photo on their site is of a split new glossy panel.
So vote with your feet, and buy a different one from somebody else.robbocop33 said:
Kawasaki, contrary to all the smart arses opinions on here gave me a decal a few weeks back, incidentally again 'last one available' and were up front and said it's old stock, wrinkled etc and dropped the price(without me uttering a word) from £76 to £20 INCLUDING post.
<shrug> Lucky you.Still, you could always put that £56 saving towards this panel, right?
TooMany2cvs said:
stuff
BTW - going by the other thread, is this the colour scheme we're talking about?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Honestly, it's gopping. Looks like something My Little Pony would ride. They're saving you from yourself.
You really are clueless Norris!BTW - going by the other thread, is this the colour scheme we're talking about?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Honestly, it's gopping. Looks like something My Little Pony would ride. They're saving you from yourself.
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