caught 124 mph in a 50 advice?

[scarble]

tl;dr
did OP point out that this is a windup yet?

[VEA]

scarble said:

tl;dr
did OP point out that this is a windup yet?

Well he didn't come back did he...

[surveyor_101]

I missed this in Scotland of all places.

Realistically does any legal brain wish to guess the punishment. My limited experience I would say 2months insid and two year ban but that’s a rough guess.

Oh well at least the op has lost interest in performance bikes now he realises they are not capable of time travel.

[Prof Prolapse]

Lesson is don't stop.

[Red Devil]

matchmaker said:

If the OP is prosecuted for reckless driving it won't be dealt with in a JP court. And I'm afraid I have to dispute my former employers map - they've missed Edinburgh Sheriff Court off it!

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/the-courts/court-loc...

Thanks for the clarification.
An official webpage with duff info, who'd a thought it?
Are you going to light a fire under them?

Breadvan72 said:

AW111 said:

matchmaker said:

Arrested in the civil sense, not criminal. The owners of the tanker were being sued for non-payment of mooring dues ( I think - it was a long time ago). A civil arrestment means that the ship is not allowed to leave port until a suitable sum is lodged with the Sheriff Clerk as a bond

Thanks.

So effectively it was illegally parked and you had it clamped

You can also arrest aeroplanes, for example because of unpaid air traffic or landing fees, or because of a dispute about ownership.

Putting the chocks on a plane was exactly what Lawrence and Kev did in The Sheriffs Are Coming Season 2 Episode 9.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGY5pHfkxhI&in...

[matchmaker]

Red Devil said:

matchmaker said:

If the OP is prosecuted for reckless driving it won't be dealt with in a JP court. And I'm afraid I have to dispute my former employers map - they've missed Edinburgh Sheriff Court off it!

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/the-courts/court-loc...

Thanks for the clarification.
An official webpage with duff info, who'd a thought it?
Are you going to light a fire under them?

Breadvan72 said:

AW111 said:

matchmaker said:

Arrested in the civil sense, not criminal. The owners of the tanker were being sued for non-payment of mooring dues ( I think - it was a long time ago). A civil arrestment means that the ship is not allowed to leave port until a suitable sum is lodged with the Sheriff Clerk as a bond

Thanks.

So effectively it was illegally parked and you had it clamped

You can also arrest aeroplanes, for example because of unpaid air traffic or landing fees, or because of a dispute about ownership.

Putting the chocks on a plane was exactly what Lawrence and Kev did in The Sheriffs Are Coming Season 2 Episode 9.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGY5pHfkxhI&in...

Much as I'd like to (our parting of the ways was not on the best of terms), the map seems to have been corrected.

[matty g]

What amazes me is the police caught him.

I'm not sure if I was caught at that speed I would stop. Or I'd stop and then go for it once one of the bobbys got out.

Not that I would do that speed anyhow I crap myself at 90 nowadays..........Getting old

[anonymous-user]

Are you kidding? Hoon off when the police have your registration? That is not going to make things better.

[matty g]

I'm sure it happens a lot.

What do you mean my bike was caught doing 124 mph today its in the garage.......Hey where's my bike.

[Prof Prolapse]

Breadvan72 said:

Are you kidding? Hoon off when the police have your registration? That is not going to make things better.

I think that if you're facing a certainty of going inside for speeding, or taking a chance at escaping and ringing it in stolen, it suddenly becomes worth considering.

It's all well and good to condemn this bloke and take the piss. But depending on his circumstances, an otherwise innocent man could stand to lose everything for less than five seconds of stupidity, where no one has been hurt, whilst people who have done far worse just walk. So regardless of the law, there's no moral high ground here.

Obviously, if you do run, there are profound consequences for the wider public, for which you would be responsible however.

[anonymous-user]

Prof Prolapse said:

I think that if you're facing a certainty of going inside for speeding, or taking a chance at escaping and ringing it in stolen, it suddenly becomes worth considering.

It's all well and good to condemn this bloke and take the piss. But depending on his circumstances, an otherwise innocent man could stand to lose everything for less than five seconds of stupidity, where no one has been hurt, whilst people who have done far worse just walk. So regardless of the law, there's no moral high ground here.

Obviously, if you do run, there are profound consequences for the wider public, for which you would be responsible however.

If you're in court for speeding, the worst you're going to get is points/ban and a fine. If it's for dangerous driving, based on that speeding, a few months in prison.

The maximum sentence for Perverting the Course of Justice is life. A significant sentence is not likely, granted, however you'd probably expect a longer one for your PCoJ than for the Dangerous you were trying to conceal. And it's much worse in the eyes of the law, the public, employers and prospective employers, being an offence of dishonesty.

[anonymous-user]

Add the layers of problems that come from one lie. Tell one lie, and you often have to tell others. You have falsely reported your bike as stolen. Now your spouse nags you about why you haven't claimed on your insurance and where's the money. Meanwhile if you want to ride the bike you have to sneak off to wherever you stashed it. Maybe you then have a prang with a third party involved, and need to make a real claim on your insurance, in respect of a bike reported as stolen. All to avoid a speeding beef?

[carinaman]

Lying can be counterproductive.

How long was the husband in the toilet cubicle with the packed parachute for example.

[Vipers]

Personally I think it's BS.

[martinbiz]

Prof Prolapse said:

I think that if you're facing a certainty of going inside for speeding, or taking a chance at escaping and ringing it in stolen, it suddenly becomes worth considering.

It's all well and good to condemn this bloke and take the piss. But depending on his circumstances, an otherwise innocent man could stand to lose everything for less than five seconds of stupidity, where no one has been hurt, whilst people who have done far worse just walk. So regardless of the law, there's no moral high ground here.

Obviously, if you do run, there are profound consequences for the wider public, for which you would be responsible however.

There are some incredibly retarded people on here of late

Edited by martinbiz on Thursday 26th October 13:23

[cmaguire]

You aren't doing yourself any favours in that respect to be fair.

[Jonno02]

Do you know what. This is one of the few times on PH that I hope this isn't a troll. And I hope you do get a custodial sentence. That's bloody ludicrous speed. We all like to stretch our machines legs now and again, but 154? You need to go inside pal.

[yellowjack]

vsonix said:

Tuvra said:

Conscript said:

"Entrapment." lol.
Grow up.

Thats not as daft as it sounds, South Wales Police used to have an unmarked Focus ST that used to regularly goad people into "races" before turning on the blues and two's. I had a heads up about him early on but he tried it 3 or 4 times with me when I had my MK2 RS. My friend in an R32 took the bait hook line and sinker, blues and twos came on at 100mph on the M4.

Original example was a bit extreme I must admit though

Not particularly recently - about 5 or 6 years ago - every almost single time (once every few months) I took the A303, I would get 'baited' by unmarked Octavia VRSs between Andover/Stonehenge end and the M3 junction, usually in a tailgatey kind of way, and only ever assiduously keeping to the limit - or at the very least, happily within 10%+2 over it. Thing is, I really don't go for the whole 'street racing' thing - I like to make progress but if someone is trying to encourage me to 'play around' I do not go for it and will just keep left, keep to the limit and let them go. So it makes it all the more obvious when the 'goading' is from a suspicious vehicle.

Edited by vsonix on Saturday 21st October 18:42

I think Hampshire Police have long used "quick" unmarked cars on and around the A303. Back in the 1990s I'm pretty sure there was a Jetta GTi (or perhaps VR6) based near Andover. I regularly spotted it on or near the Weyhill fair roundabout, most often with the lights flashing and the rear-window "Stop!" board lit up with the officer discussing the relative merits of slowing down with the driver of another "quick" car without the optional lights and sirens fitted.

Back on topic?

As much as I want to get all sanctimonious on the OP's case, it wasn't so long ago that I saw 120mph on a speedo in front of me on the A303 myself. Getting bored and irritated with how long it was taking to get home from Devon the driver decided to see "just how fast this PoS can go". It was dark, there were no other lights visible in front or behind us on our carriageway, and it was a straight section of the A303.

So many reasons why it was stupid, not least of which is the potential punishment, and all for something that was a massive anti-climax in the car. Nothing happened of any great note. No euphoria, no violent shaking of the wheel, no sounds of pistons and valves screaming for mercy, just an overwhelming feeling of "was that really it?"

I just can't see the point of such speeds myself. Not on straight, uninteresting roads. It may well feel a lot more exciting cutting through traffic at such speeds on a motorcycle, but the proximity of other traffic, that thing that intensifies the sensation of speed, is also the thing that makes it more dangerous than just the speed on it's own. But even the speed on it's own can be dangerous if you hit something (a deer was my fear on the A303 in the dark) that you either don't see, or gets into the lane ahead of you faster than you can react to it's presence.

I don't know what to advise the OP though. I've no experience of speeding fines beyond 3 points/£60 for an SP50 (70 mph in a 50 mph limited section of the M4 - fixed GATSO) and a SAC for 38 mph in a (blink and you've missed it) 30 mph limit on the A32 going home after a nice day out. 2.5 times over the limit? No matter how fantabulous a driver/rider you think you are, you're going to find reasonable excuses that work as a defence in court a bit thin on the ground, I'm afraid...

[kiethton]

2.5x over the speed limit is not hard to do, hell I manage it and a bit more on most of my daily commutes. However, for me its not in a 50mph zone, that would be significantly harder to do.

(NB - I know the risks, blanket 20mph limits on what were 30/40mph roads are never going to be obeyed at 5am when you're invariably late for work....again....)

[Prof Prolapse]

I'm just going to ignore the "retard" comment other than to clarify, I'm not an idiot by any stretch. I'm just making two points, firstly if you think a custodial is justice here you're a hateful moron, and secondly the point is, if prison for speeding is a foregone conclusion (as it may well be in Scotland), many who would otherwise hand themselves in, are as well running.

More importantly it's a hypothetical, there's no need to start crying about it.

Breadvan72 said:

Add the layers of problems that come from one lie. Tell one lie, and you often have to tell others. You have falsely reported your bike as stolen. Now your spouse nags you about why you haven't claimed on your insurance and where's the money. Meanwhile if you want to ride the bike you have to sneak off to wherever you stashed it. Maybe you then have a prang with a third party involved, and need to make a real claim on your insurance, in respect of a bike reported as stolen. All to avoid a speeding beef?

You dump the bike and get a taxi, and claim as you normally would and that's the end of it. Beyond that I'm not going start a hypothetical on how I would get away with it as it's not really my point. You seem to know more about this law business than I do, so I'm guessing you know as well that people get away with this, and they're not exactly smart.

Anyway, let's say this sentencing becomes them norm North of the border, and I'm doing 150mph which for the represents significant less than 8 seconds of bad decisions if I'm already doing the speed limit on my GSXR... The police see me and turn the lights on.

Now, if I stop, I will do porridge. So I lose my job, and more importantly my career. No exceptions. So potentially my house, marriage, and my family, logically follows... That's the reality of life inside for middle class people, again we all know this to be true.

Or I can see if I can outrun them, and lie. A prison sentence potential becomes slightly longer for a failure to stop (and the rest), but even if they actually catch me, all other true punitive measures remain the same, and they are the greater punishment in this case.

Why wouldn't I run?

Edited by Prof Prolapse on Thursday 26th October 15:21