caught 124 mph in a 50 advice?

[theboss]

kiethton said:

2.5x over the speed limit is not hard to do, hell I manage it and a bit more on most of my daily commutes. However, for me its not in a 50mph zone, that would be significantly harder to do.

(NB - I know the risks, blanket 20mph limits on what were 30/40mph roads are never going to be obeyed at 5am when you're invariably late for work....again....)

A section of NSL A road near me (the A458 Bridgnorth Bypass) has had 20mph speed limits in place for the last few months on approach to resurfacing works. These seem very unnecessary and extend out for a mile or so beyond the works without so much as cones or lane width restrictions in place so it really is a NSL road with no hazards reduced to 20mph for no obvious reason. I've yet to see a single driver obey the restriction, most just carry on at the 40mph they are accustomed to even in NSL but I digress.

I came through that section at about 80 last Sunday evening (on approach to the work area where work was most definitely not taking place) and upon seeing a marked up police X5 stationary at a junction my instinct was to jump on the brakes hard. Figuring in a split second that this might draw more attention than just sailing on through, I held my speed. The guys in the X5 looked at me and then turned in the opposite direction.

So that was 4x the speed limit effectively endorsed by presumably traffic or firearms police who didn't appear to be up to much else.

[kiethton]

theboss said:

kiethton said:

2.5x over the speed limit is not hard to do, hell I manage it and a bit more on most of my daily commutes. However, for me its not in a 50mph zone, that would be significantly harder to do.

(NB - I know the risks, blanket 20mph limits on what were 30/40mph roads are never going to be obeyed at 5am when you're invariably late for work....again....)

A section of NSL A road near me (the A458 Bridgnorth Bypass) has had 20mph speed limits in place for the last few months on approach to resurfacing works. These seem very unnecessary and extend out for a mile or so beyond the works without so much as cones or lane width restrictions in place so it really is a NSL road with no hazards reduced to 20mph for no obvious reason. I've yet to see a single driver obey the restriction, most just carry on at the 40mph they are accustomed to even in NSL but I digress.

I came through that section at about 80 last Sunday evening (on approach to the work area where work was most definitely not taking place) and upon seeing a marked up police X5 stationary at a junction my instinct was to jump on the brakes hard. Figuring in a split second that this might draw more attention than just sailing on through, I held my speed. The guys in the X5 looked at me and then turned in the opposite direction.

So that was 4x the speed limit effectively endorsed by presumably traffic or firearms police who didn't appear to be up to much else.

Indeed, even the local police seem to continue in these new zones at the same old ~35mph, 75% over the limit....only ones to take exception were some BTP's in a BTP transit moving between stations, without a calibrated speedo there is not much they can realistically do if passed at ~25mph....

[Markbarry1977]

matty g said:

What amazes me is the police caught him.

I'm not sure if I was caught at that speed I would stop. Or I'd stop and then go for it once one of the bobbys got out.

Not that I would do that speed anyhow I crap myself at 90 nowadays..........Getting old

I’m not sure if the op was riding a bike or driving a car. If a bike the easiest thing to do would be stop take your helmet off. Surely the police would never attempt a chase due to the danger to you. I mean this tts riding around on scooters in London do it. A couple of these police camera action shows had a couple of the init brov youf brigade riding around on dirt bikes. They would just stop, take the helmet off and ride off. They knew full well the police wouldn’t chase after this.

[JoBlack]

At that speed I'd be off. They keep telling us they can't prosecute dindu's for bike jacking since unless they catch them in the act they can't prove they did it. Well fk going down for speeding when you can get away with it if you stole it. Don't stop, abandon the bike, jacket and helmet in a dodgy council estate and let some scrote go for a ride and take the rap for it / get away with it because he dindunuffink.

[anonymous-user]

Prof Prolapse said:

You dump the bike and get a taxi, and claim as you normally would and that's the end of it. Beyond that I'm not going start a hypothetical on how I would get away with it as it's not really my point. You seem to know more about this law business than I do, so I'm guessing you know as well that people get away with this, and they're not exactly smart.

Anyway, let's say this sentencing becomes them norm North of the border, and I'm doing 150mph which for the represents significant less than 8 seconds of bad decisions if I'm already doing the speed limit on my GSXR... The police see me and turn the lights on.

Now, if I stop, I will do porridge. So I lose my job, and more importantly my career. No exceptions. So potentially my house, marriage, and my family, logically follows... That's the reality of life inside for middle class people, again we all know this to be true.

Or I can see if I can outrun them, and lie. A prison sentence potential becomes slightly longer for a failure to stop (and the rest), but even if they actually catch me, all other true punitive measures remain the same, and they are the greater punishment in this case.

Why wouldn't I run?

You are worried about going to prison for eight seconds of bad decisions, but are prepared to risk a sentence that is longer and which is for not one but at least two offences of dishonesty (perverting the course of justice and insurance fraud), and lose your bike as well. I suggest that your "logic" is crazy.

[Red Devil]

Prof Prolapse said:

I'm just going to ignore the "retard" comment other than to clarify, I'm not an idiot by any stretch. I'm just making two points, firstly if you think a custodial is justice here you're a hateful moron, and secondly the point is, if prison for speeding is a foregone conclusion (as it may well be in Scotland), many who would otherwise hand themselves in, are as well running.

More importantly it's a hypothetical, there's no need to start crying about it.

Breadvan72 said:

Add the layers of problems that come from one lie. Tell one lie, and you often have to tell others. You have falsely reported your bike as stolen. Now your spouse nags you about why you haven't claimed on your insurance and where's the money. Meanwhile if you want to ride the bike you have to sneak off to wherever you stashed it. Maybe you then have a prang with a third party involved, and need to make a real claim on your insurance, in respect of a bike reported as stolen. All to avoid a speeding beef?

You dump the bike and get a taxi, and claim as you normally would and that's the end of it. Beyond that I'm not going start a hypothetical on how I would get away with it as it's not really my point. You seem to know more about this law business than I do, so I'm guessing you know as well that people get away with this, and they're not exactly smart

Sure they do. See below,

Prof Prolapse said:

Anyway, let's say this sentencing becomes them norm North of the border, and I'm doing 150mph which for the represents significant less than 8 seconds of bad decisions if I'm already doing the speed limit on my GSXR... The police see me and turn the lights on.

Now, if I stop, I will do porridge. So I lose my job, and more importantly my career. No exceptions. So potentially my house, marriage, and my family, logically follows... That's the reality of life inside for middle class people, again we all know this to be true.

Or I can see if I can outrun them, and lie. A prison sentence potential becomes slightly longer for a failure to stop (and the rest), but even if they actually catch me, all other true punitive measures remain the same, and they are the greater punishment in this case.

Why wouldn't I run?

Because telling porkies will land you in even more trouble than the original offence.
TPTB really don't like people deliberately sticking two fingers up at them.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/b...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-ra...
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/local-news/motori...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3054114/Sp...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3667991/We...

As for your career, the husband in the first link got kicked out of his professional body.
And hit with costs a smidge higher than the original fine in court.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

The above cases were all south of the border.
Knowing the puritanical tendencies of the Scots though do you really think jail time there would be only slightly longer.
Good luck with that.

[anonymous-user]

Most professional bodies wouldn't necessarily throw a member out for a dangerous driving bust, but they would definitely throw a member out for PCOJ or insurance fraud. Employers would probably take similar views about hiring.

[Drclarke]

Jonno02 said:

Do you know what. This is one of the few times on PH that I hope this isn't a troll. And I hope you do get a custodial sentence. That's bloody ludicrous speed. We all like to stretch our machines legs now and again, but 154? You need to go inside pal.

You hateful little man.

[Pica-Pica]

theboss said:

kiethton said:

2.5x over the speed limit is not hard to do, hell I manage it and a bit more on most of my daily commutes. However, for me its not in a 50mph zone, that would be significantly harder to do.

(NB - I know the risks, blanket 20mph limits on what were 30/40mph roads are never going to be obeyed at 5am when you're invariably late for work....again....)

A section of NSL A road near me (the A458 Bridgnorth Bypass) has had 20mph speed limits in place for the last few months on approach to resurfacing works. These seem very unnecessary and extend out for a mile or so beyond the works without so much as cones or lane width restrictions in place so it really is a NSL road with no hazards reduced to 20mph for no obvious reason. I've yet to see a single driver obey the restriction, most just carry on at the 40mph they are accustomed to even in NSL but I digress.


I came through that section at about 80 last Sunday evening (on approach to the work area where work was most definitely not taking place) and upon seeing a marked up police X5 stationary at a junction my instinct was to jump on the brakes hard. Figuring in a split second that this might draw more attention than just sailing on through, I held my speed. The guys in the X5 looked at me and then turned in the opposite direction.

So that was 4x the speed limit effectively endorsed by presumably traffic or firearms police who didn't appear to be up to much else.

Try driving over re-surfacing at greater than 20mph. Stone ships a-plenty!

[Prof Prolapse]

Breadvan72 said:

You are worried about going to prison for eight seconds of bad decisions, but are prepared to risk a sentence that is longer and which is for not one but at least two offences of dishonesty (perverting the course of justice and insurance fraud), and lose your bike as well. I suggest that your "logic" is crazy.

Let's be clear, I'm not worried about anything. I don't ride like that in places where I can get caught. I'm just saying, hypothetically, if a custodial becomes the norm for a simple speeding offence then I think it's a massive incentive for some not to stop.

I'm not sure you understand my point (or maybe I and I assume many, simply stand to lose more than you do if I did time in prison), the duration is almost an irrelevance compared to the repercussions of the prison sentence itself. It does little to incentivise many, to effectively tell them, "we'll destroy your life in either case, but if you run you face longer inside, or perhaps get away with it entirely".

If someone half decent runs on a bike they have a reasonable chance of evading arrest, and a slim chance of getting away with it entirely. So if you stop, it's a given your lose everything, the only incentive is that you will just get to return to the remains of my life more quickly.

I'm not trying to be a smart arse here. I just genuinely don't understand.

[anonymous-user]

Prison sentences for riding fast are very rare things and there is no chance that prison for riding fast will become the norm. Prison sentences for PCOJ and insurance fraud are the norm. Duration matters not much - the career damage from a conviction involving dishonesty is much greater than that from a conviction for a motoring offence. Why not worry about real risks instead of remote risks?

Think also of the significantly enhanced risk of an accident whist trying to get away from arrest on a bike.

Taking such daft risks of prison and of injury just to avoid a speeding bust would be simply daft.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th October 10:10

[Jonno02]

Drclarke said:

You hateful little man.

How is that hateful? I drive this road. How in the hell is joe bloggs meant to account for a biker coming up their rear at 154mp? If you look, it's all clear, by the time you pull out the biker has appeared and will be half way through the back of your car. Instant fatality for him and a likely one for you.

Let me guess, you're one of these "but nobody was hurt" people? There are times when that's reasonable, but 154mph on a public highway is bloody insane. This isn't 80, 90 or even 100 in a 50, it's 3 times the speed limit.

So you can shove your sanctimonious attitude.

[yellowjack]

Jonno02 said:

Drclarke said:

You hateful little man.

How is that hateful? I drive this road. How in the hell is joe bloggs meant to account for a biker coming up their rear at 154mp? If you look, it's all clear, by the time you pull out the biker has appeared and will be half way through the back of your car. Instant fatality for him and a likely one for you.

Let me guess, you're one of these "but nobody was hurt" people? There are times when that's reasonable, but 154mph on a public highway is bloody insane. This isn't 80, 90 or even 100 in a 50, it's 3 times the speed limit.

So you can shove your sanctimonious attitude.

I'm wi' Jonno on this.

[Prof Prolapse]

Breadvan72 said:

Prison sentences for riding fast are very rare things and there is no chance that prison for riding fast will become the norm. Prison sentences for PCOJ and insurance fraud are the norm. Duration matters not much - the career damage from a conviction involving dishonesty is much greater than that from a conviction for a motoring offence. Why not worry about real risks instead of remote risks?

Think also of the significantly enhanced risk of an accident whist trying to get away from arrest on a bike.

Taking such daft risks of prison and of injury just to avoid a speeding bust would be simply daft.

If it doesn't become a given that speeding results in prison, then I agree entirely, there would be no sense in not handing yourself in. Even the slim risk of evading prison in a courtroom, is monumentally a better choice than failure to stop, fraud, and I agree, risk of injury to yourself and others.

Just on that last point though, whilst I agree, I wouldn't thought it offered much of a incentive to stop. I find it very unlikely perceived risk of injury would ever align with reality for individuals who like alleged OP, who do an actual 124mph in traffic.

But anyway, brought back to topic, and in agreement. Probably a good place to leave it.

[4rephill]

yellowjack said:

Jonno02 said:

Drclarke said:

You hateful little man.

How is that hateful? I drive this road. How in the hell is joe bloggs meant to account for a biker coming up their rear at 154mp? If you look, it's all clear, by the time you pull out the biker has appeared and will be half way through the back of your car. Instant fatality for him and a likely one for you.

Let me guess, you're one of these "but nobody was hurt" people? There are times when that's reasonable, but 154mph on a public highway is bloody insane. This isn't 80, 90 or even 100 in a 50, it's 3 times the speed limit.

So you can shove your sanctimonious attitude.

I'm wi' Jonno on this.

So you too cannot read properly?

Troll or not, this thread is based on somebody doing 124mph on a public road - Not 154mph!

[Jonno02]

4rephill said:

So you too cannot read properly?

Troll or not, this thread is based on somebody doing 124mph on a public road - Not 154mph!

Apologies, confused this thread with another I was reading that was 3 times the limit and erroneously in my mind change the 2 to a 5.

Still, my view stands. There's zero reason to be doing 124 on a public highway. My point about a biker appearing from nowhere is still totally relevant. From 154 to 124mph, the distance travelled in 1 second is roughly 50 feet less. So very slim chance that Janice plootering along in her Honda Jazz is going to notice you be it 124 or 154mph. You'll still be splatted on her rear bumper. And at 124mph, if biker slams on his anchors, he's loosing control, coming off and is a fatality anyway.

I can't read properly apparently, but, it's "two" - not "too."

Edited by Jonno02 on Friday 27th October 12:43

Edited by Jonno02 on Friday 27th October 12:45

[julianc]

Breadvan72 said:

Can we just make the thread about bumming? That would be more fun.

Welcome back, BV - we've missed you!

[anonymous-user]

Yeah cheers yeah, but no one listened to me about the bumming.

[Tony33]

Jonno02 said:

Apologies, confused this thread with another I was reading that was 3 times the limit and erroneously in my mind change the 2 to a 5.

Still, my view stands. There's zero reason to be doing 124 on a public highway. My point about a biker appearing from nowhere is still totally relevant. From 154 to 124mph, the distance travelled in 1 second is roughly 50 feet less. So very slim chance that Janice plootering along in her Honda Jazz is going to notice you be it 124 or 154mph. You'll still be splatted on her rear bumper. And at 124mph, if biker slams on his anchors, he's loosing control, coming off and is a fatality anyway.

I can't read properly apparently, but, it's "two" - not "too."

In all fairness to you the OP also referred to a mate doing 154mph in his post as well as his 124mph, so both have been discussed in this thread. You didn't just make it up!

[jonobigblind]

You don’t have to be doing a solid three figure speed to be unseen by another motorist, even one in front of you. This video has stuck with me since the first moment I saw it. It’s the only one where my stomach has lifted as if I was in (and out of) his seat.

This combined with my company’s nannying state of tracking my speed and driving habits (in a plain old company car at all times of the day or night) has made me appreciate that on or around the speed limits is plenty enough.

I’m calling troll on the OP, if not then I doubt anything less than a custodial sentence will penetrate the thick walls of his noggin.

https://youtu.be/hZCadhDW_i0